Do people who commit suicide go to heaven?, For the Catholics and stuff, I guess. |
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| *The Markster* |
 Jun 25 2007, 11:54 PM
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Forgive me if this is a pretty stupid question, but do people who commit suicide go to heaven? I see how it can be wrong to kill your own self, a creation of God, but doesn't God want us all to be happy? I think .. I wanna know what you guys think.
(Btw, how do I make this into a poll ..) |
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Jun 26 2007, 12:03 AM
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 AttacKATTack!  Group: Member Posts: 697 Joined: Jun 2007 Member No: 536,660 |
Well, according to Christians, God gave you life and by destroying it, you're kind of spitting on his face. And if I were God and I made you and you killed yourself, I wouldn't let you set foot in heaven because clearly you haven't earned it!
But of course I'm not God, nor am I a Christian, so I really don't have a completely valid input on this. Oh yeah and if God wanted you to be happy, why would he condemn homosexuality? Worshipping a different god? Having sex before marriage? All of these things could bring you happiness, but they're sins. So does God really want you to be happy? And being miserable enough to commit suicide doesn't seem to fit the definition of happiness. You're going from misery to nothingness. Where does happiness come into the equation? |
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Jun 26 2007, 12:43 AM
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^ agree with all 100%.
also, isnt suicide a bit selfish? i'd have no idea if being selfish is a sin though.. think about it, uh hhuuuh. |
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| *alovesopure* |
Jun 26 2007, 12:53 AM
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QUOTE(kayali @ Jun 26 2007, 01:43 AM)  also, isnt suicide a bit selfish? Not if you're mentally unstable. My grandfather was Bi-polar, he committed suicide when I was 6 years old. I don't think it was selfish... Yeah, in some cases it could be, but I guess you have to know the whole story before you decide if it is or not. Me being a christian, I honestly don't know. I guess it depends on the situation, like.. being mentally unstable, and I guess it depends on if the person is a christian before they die and all that. But honestly, its just one of those things that I'm just unsure about. |
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| *kryogenix* |
Jun 26 2007, 10:09 PM
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No one knows.
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| *MyMichelle* |
Jun 26 2007, 10:12 PM
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People have told me both. shrugs*
If you really want to know, read the Bible and find your own interpretation. That's the only way :T |
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Jun 26 2007, 10:14 PM
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 dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
QUOTE(ThomasC @ Jun 26 2007, 12:46 AM) I agree with you Mark, God does want us to be happy. You can't make polls in debate. Sorry. I believe that's my fault. anyways; simple answer is no. as to why, well, i'd think it's pretty obvious. |
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Jun 26 2007, 10:27 PM
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 *dazzle Group: Member Posts: 357 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 43,071 |
QUOTE(xKatt @ Jun 26 2007, 12:03 AM) Well, according to Christians, God gave you life and by destroying it, you're kind of spitting on his face. And if I were God and I made you and you killed yourself, I wouldn't let you set foot in heaven because clearly you haven't earned it! But of course I'm not God, nor am I a Christian, so I really don't have a completely valid input on this. Oh yeah and if God wanted you to be happy, why would he condemn homosexuality? Worshipping a different god? Having sex before marriage? All of these things could bring you happiness, but they're sins. So does God really want you to be happy? And being miserable enough to commit suicide doesn't seem to fit the definition of happiness. You're going from misery to nothingness. Where does happiness come into the equation? i agree with the christian theory. many say that you don't enter heaven if you commit suicide. now, i do believe God wants us to be happy but in a different way. Following the "correct" path can lead us to being happy for the rest of our lives. but in the end, who knows? if you commited suicide for a fair enough reason [any mental instability] then i don't think God would condemn you to hell but once again, who knows! yeah i dont know. i always thought of asking him when i died. haha |
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| *steve330* |
Jun 26 2007, 11:19 PM
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Define heaven
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Jun 27 2007, 12:38 AM
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 Photoartist Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 12,363 Joined: Apr 2006 Member No: 399,390 |
QUOTE(steve330 @ Jun 27 2007, 12:19 AM) Define heaven Good question.
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| *Moderator* |
Jun 27 2007, 12:53 AM
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It all depends on what your beliefs are. I say, it doesn't matter that you've done harm to yourself. If you have done rightful deeds or have come a long way from the start of your life--then you should reach paradise.
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Jun 27 2007, 12:54 AM
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what is mental instability anyways? Like depression and anxiety disorders or are you refering to the extreme end of bipolar, sysphrenia (sp?), and multiple personality disorders?
I was diagnosed with major depressive disorder and a social anxiety disorder and i contemplated suicide many many times. but i couldn't bare living in hell at least thats what i told myself. - But now that im not suicidal anymore I believe in what Jane said above me. |
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Jun 27 2007, 08:08 PM
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 Naomi loves you. Y'all may call me NaNa Group: Official Designer Posts: 2,925 Joined: Jun 2006 Member No: 427,774 |
I believe the people that go to hell don't stay forever, I think so because people say God is a forgiving God. Well xKatt you say chritians believe if you kill yourself you don't deserve to set foot in heaven when its not like that, yeah you'll go to hell but you don't stay forever, I think a good example is you can do something wrong, your parents find out, and they put you on punishment. You don't stay on punishment forever. God see us as his children.
Thats a point of view from a christain. |
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Jun 28 2007, 09:31 AM
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 Diana =] Group: Member Posts: 1,318 Joined: Jul 2005 Member No: 174,147 |
"You shall not kill." And by committing suicide, you're killing yourself. So the answer is no.
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Jun 28 2007, 09:34 AM
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 rissa. Group: Member Posts: 621 Joined: Jul 2006 Member No: 436,690 |
According to my faith, They don't go heaven. Murder is Murder and quote, thou shall not murder. I believe in what the Bible says.
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Jun 28 2007, 01:51 PM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
QUOTE(1angel3 @ Jun 27 2007, 08:08 PM) I believe the people that go to hell don't stay forever, I think so because people say God is a forgiving God. Well xKatt you say chritians believe if you kill yourself you don't deserve to set foot in heaven when its not like that, yeah you'll go to hell but you don't stay forever, I think a good example is you can do something wrong, your parents find out, and they put you on punishment. You don't stay on punishment forever. God see us as his children. Thats a point of view from a christain. That's is simply a point of view. As far as I'm aware, most of christianity proclaims that whatever happens after death is for eternity, as in, forever. It's perfectly fine to believe this; it's just not what most christians believe. |
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| *steve330* |
Jun 28 2007, 03:05 PM
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This is why I like Deism, you don't have to worry about any of this shit.
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Jun 28 2007, 06:31 PM
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the only unforgivable(sp?) sin is blasphemy.
and to all the people who said it's murder, of course it is, but does that mean that all the saved murder-ers will go to hell? of course not. that's why jesus died, according to the christian beleifs. all sins are forgiven, exept for what was mentioned above. |
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Jun 28 2007, 06:32 PM
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Hopefully... for being cowards.
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Jun 28 2007, 09:36 PM
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Naomi loves you. Y'all may call me NaNa Group: Official Designer Posts: 2,925 Joined: Jun 2006 Member No: 427,774 |
QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 28 2007, 10:51 AM) That's is simply a point of view. As far as I'm aware, most of christianity proclaims that whatever happens after death is for eternity, as in, forever. It's perfectly fine to believe this; it's just not what most christians believe. Well, I believe God told us humans if you go to hell its for eternity so we won't sin as much. They say God is a forgiving God, if so why would he make you go for eternity? How forgiving. Thats why I believe that. |
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Jun 28 2007, 11:41 PM
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It's because the "Christian" "Hell" and "Heaven" are inaccurate.
Someone's going to bite me for not backing that up, right? I've talked about it quite a bit before, but I'll wait anyway. |
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Jun 29 2007, 10:52 AM
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Naomi loves you. Y'all may call me NaNa Group: Official Designer Posts: 2,925 Joined: Jun 2006 Member No: 427,774 |
^^ well, you have people that don't believe in hell or heaven so who knows. I'm not going to call you stupid for your belief.
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Jun 29 2007, 02:39 PM
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Senior Member Group: Official Member Posts: 6,349 Joined: Aug 2006 Member No: 455,274 |
QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Jun 29 2007, 12:41 AM) It's because the "Christian" "Hell" and "Heaven" are inaccurate. Someone's going to bite me for not backing that up, right? I've talked about it quite a bit before, but I'll wait anyway. From my understanding. This is hell. Reincarnation is a form of infinity, am I wrong? Until our physical gets it right, then you can finally move onto heaven. No more re-born into the physical realm where sin exists and physical/emotional pain exists. But then I think about Islam's point of view, when you're judged you go to heaven or you go to hell, but hell isn't infinite, it's time based, and you get a proper punishment. Afterwards (how ever long you've been in hell) God the all merciful brings you back to heaven where you reside for ever. |
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| *Flair* |
Jun 29 2007, 02:43 PM
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For those who are sure about the answer to this question, how do you know?
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Jun 29 2007, 02:50 PM
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Naomi loves you. Y'all may call me NaNa Group: Official Designer Posts: 2,925 Joined: Jun 2006 Member No: 427,774 |
^^ We don't know really
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