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Are atheists angry?, Be respectful please.
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post May 15 2007, 06:36 PM
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Atheists aren't all angry. I mean, sure there are some of those former christian "I'm just atheist because I'm pissed off at my christian parents" teenagers... but that's not a good representation of atheists.
There are plenty of kind, helpful atheists who volunteer and do all that stuff. Atheists who, since they don't believe that some god will do it for them, help others themselves. They do things much more practical than sit at home and pray for some god to make everything right. They do something that will actually help people.

But most of the time, when atheists seem angry at christians or w/e its because christians are such assholes to them. Christians think that everyone, no matter how good they are, is evil if they don't believe in god and jesus and all that crap. (Not saying ALL christians have this viewpoint, just a lot of them)
Christians also have this tendancy to be close-minded, judgemental bigots.
Plenty of them stand outside abortion clinics yelling at everyone who goes in telling them they're baby-killers, that they're such horrible people, assume they must be sluts who just have sex with anything that moves... some of them protest at soldier's funerals. Almost all of them hate gay people, or at least tell them that they're horrible sinners. They have this tendancy to be a bit hypocritical...
I went to catholic school for almost my entire life. I have read almost every verse of all four gospels. I know what their bible teaches. And I know that most "christians" don't practice it.

I personally tend to be a bit... annoyed, for lack of a better word, at christians because of that hypocrisy. They slam the bible in your face... after horribly twisting it around... and they don't even follow the most important teachings.

I dont hate all christians, and I'm not angry at them as a huge group. I don't like the ones who are hypocritical, and I think everyone can understand that.

I am an atheist. I am not angry. I enjoy life, I enjoy things around me. I am generally a friendly person.
However, I won't let people talk shit about me, I do get angry when people judge people, and hypocrits annoy the hell out of me.
 
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post May 15 2007, 08:08 PM
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QUOTE(ursedonah @ May 15 2007, 7:36 PM) *
Atheists aren't all angry. I mean, sure there are some of those former christian "I'm just atheist because I'm pissed off at my christian parents" teenagers... but that's not a good representation of atheists.
There are plenty of kind, helpful atheists who volunteer and do all that stuff. Atheists who, since they don't believe that some god will do it for them, help others themselves. They do things much more practical than sit at home and pray for some god to make everything right. They do something that will actually help people.

But most of the time, when atheists seem angry at christians or w/e its because christians are such assholes to them. Christians think that everyone, no matter how good they are, is evil if they don't believe in god and jesus and all that crap. (Not saying ALL christians have this viewpoint, just a lot of them)
Christians also have this tendancy to be close-minded, judgemental bigots.
Plenty of them stand outside abortion clinics yelling at everyone who goes in telling them they're baby-killers, that they're such horrible people, assume they must be sluts who just have sex with anything that moves... some of them protest at soldier's funerals. Almost all of them hate gay people, or at least tell them that they're horrible sinners. They have this tendancy to be a bit hypocritical...
I went to catholic school for almost my entire life. I have read almost every verse of all four gospels. I know what their bible teaches. And I know that most "christians" don't practice it.

I personally tend to be a bit... annoyed, for lack of a better word, at christians because of that hypocrisy. They slam the bible in your face... after horribly twisting it around... and they don't even follow the most important teachings.

I dont hate all christians, and I'm not angry at them as a huge group. I don't like the ones who are hypocritical, and I think everyone can understand that.

I am an atheist. I am not angry. I enjoy life, I enjoy things around me. I am generally a friendly person.
However, I won't let people talk shit about me, I do get angry when people judge people, and hypocrits annoy the hell out of me.

i agree with most of what you're saying, but you do understand that you are calling christians hyprocritical when you're saying a majority of us are like that?
i'm a christian and i disagree with alot of the normal christian beliefs. i don't think that anyone is better than me, no matter what their religion. i am for aboritions. i am for gay marriage. i am open-minded. i don't try to force my religion apon others.
i've only heard of one "christian"9you can't really call them that) church(not so much) protesting at a soilder's funeral. and they were more of a cult than anything. not all christians are like that and society wants to judge all of us based on a few whom claim to be christian. but we get called hypocrits. mellow.gif
 
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post May 16 2007, 04:08 AM
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QUOTE(Shortnsweet88 @ May 14 2007, 6:24 AM) *
Me and a friend of mine like to get into deep discussions about religion and so on and so forth. Just so that ya'll know where I stand, I am a christian...non denominational. I dont completely believe in certain aspects of organized religion...church is not my forte much lately. Anyways, to the point...

We were discussing how it seems to us that atheists seem to be angry. Either at Christians or just at the world in general. I like to do research on different religions and have explored many different options. I am simply inquiring about atheists just so I can understand more.

Do you think atheists are angry?
Are you atheist? Are you angry?

Explain why and tell me a little about what you believe so that I can understand.

Once again, please be respectful in everything you say and do me a favor and put a little thought into it...dont respond with a simple statement like "christians are hypocrites" or something like that.

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I am positioned rather close to atheist thesis, philosophically speaking. Although it is true that I do consider myself an agnostic because I haven't a solid theory that allows me to disregard the idea of a superior deity. Yet.

I don't consider this view of the world to be influenced, nor have originated from anger. I started to develop it when I first took philosophy and ethics classes way back when I was 14; I then inquired further by reading the works of the authors I did learn about in school and drawing my own conclusions.

Emotions may have been involved with this process of learning at one point or another, discarding this thought entirely seems to be foolish to me. However it would be even more foolish to have based an entire philosophy on something as volatile as human feelings are.

Now, if what you are talking about is getting pissed off when confronting someone in a debate then that would be an entirely different thing. That's a matter of patience, willpower, and ability to dialogue.
 
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post May 16 2007, 11:03 AM
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Im catholic.
As much as many of my beliefs are non catholic.I still stand by my God.And if I do get sent to hell for beliving that the church shouldent have a say so for birth control or premarrital sex then so be it.

As for atheists.I have found many of them to be angry bitter people.Do I think that they all are like that?No Certainly not.Because the ones that I know are only atheist because it displeases there parents or because its cool to them.

I can see why you might think or wonder that.Unfortunatly its jsut a stereotype that alot of people I guess feed into.
 
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post May 23 2007, 06:37 PM
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Over here in Great Britain, Atheism is rather common. At least where I am. My parents are certainly not religious, and neither am I Atheist to "Spite" them. I don't know anyone who is Atheist just to annoy their parents. They're that way because they don't believe in an entity. Let's face it, if they believed in it, I doubt they would deny it to annoy their parents, would they?

I'm not a particulary angry atheist. Although, I will tell you that one of the reasons some atheists might be angry, is because of religion itself. Some don't like the idea of people living their lives a certain way with various restriction because there might be an invisible man living in the sky. It all seems a bit daft, don't you think?

That's my interpretation, anyhow.


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post Jun 2 2007, 11:06 PM
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Are there no "angry" Christians, Buddhists or whatever?

Religion is very interesting, but an aspect of it that I don't like is that it is often used to classify and judge people. I don't think that being atheist means you are angry. Everyone is angry at times. What is important is that everyone is happy with whatever beliefs that may have and that they are willing to accept that not everyone agrees with them. Also, just because someone may not believe in an after life doesn't mean that they don't want to make good out of life and be happy. Christians critizing athiests beliefs is just as bad as athiests being mad at Christians for believing what they do.

I am not all that religious but consider myself to be christian.
 
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post Jun 25 2007, 11:57 PM
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QUOTE(Jamwllms @ May 23 2007, 06:37 PM) *
Over here in Great Britain, Atheism is rather common. At least where I am. My parents are certainly not religious, and neither am I Atheist to "Spite" them. I don't know anyone who is Atheist just to annoy their parents. They're that way because they don't believe in an entity. Let's face it, if they believed in it, I doubt they would deny it to annoy their parents, would they?

I'm not a particulary angry atheist. Although, I will tell you that one of the reasons some atheists might be angry, is because of religion itself. Some don't like the idea of people living their lives a certain way with various restriction because there might be an invisible man living in the sky. It all seems a bit daft, don't you think?

That's my interpretation, anyhow.
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We were just talking about how Atheism is rampant in Europe in World Geo, haha. Sorry just had to say that.

Um... I wouldn't say I'm angry, but these are some contributing factors to why an Atheist might be "angry":

1) Everything is going wrong for them, so they feel God is being unjust to them and in turn hate or disblieve in God. Hate = anger.
2) They're Atheist to defy the mainstream, be rebellious or to stir controversy (these Atheists will later convert to a mainstream religion once they've been tormented enough by their peers). Controversy = anger.
3) They don't have faith in anything and don't have anything to fall back on or consult for help.

Yeah, Atheists tend to have a bad connotation. Like a believer versus a nonbeliever. Obviously the nonbeliever is left with a negative connotation. Not all Atheists are angry, but I've noticed that a lot of them are. And sometimes I wonder if they're angry because they're Atheist or they're Atheist because they're angry.

Interesting topic though. thumbsup.gif
 
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post Jun 26 2007, 12:22 AM
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Personally, I once was an atheist and wasn't very angry. Well, not hateful angry. It just depends. I've seen people who were atheists and minded their own business and I've seen atheists who were pissed off at just seeing a church.
 
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post Jun 26 2007, 11:44 AM
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Dont forget that Christianity is very much on its way out. The reason I stopped "believing" was I realized that the way I thought about Christianity then is exactly how the Greeks thought of their religion, and then I thought of how crazy I figured that religion to be. That led me to research other religions such as Islamic and Indian religions. The once great religions of the past are now no more than fictitious fanciful stories, but to those who followed(most more adamantly than any christian alive today) these gods and goddesses were serious and they whole-heartedly believed in their wrath. Even most christians today dont think the old testament happened, they think it is just a book of stories to guide us through our lives, and in that sense they are right. But was there ever a man named moses who parted a sea? No, thats incredibly stupid. In the modern world where basically everyone lives in sin, even if they dont want to admit it, the stories of God and Jesus are being ripped apart by science and discovery. Was there ever a man named Jesus? Yes, thats been proven more than once. Could he do miracles though? No. And we as a people are slowly learning that fact, that we are alone in this world. But the possibilty of life elsewhere grows ever more realistic. Im not gonna flat out say there are aliens in spaceships and such, but it is a possibility and in my mind is an even greater possibility than an omnipotent invisible presence that holds the divine power of creation and destruction which he can use at a whim. Believe what you want, I wont look down on you. My best friends in life are christians, good for them. They have something to look forward to. I however try to make a paradise out of the life I live now.
 
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post Jun 26 2007, 02:35 PM
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I'm the greatest, most "fervent", atheist I know...
I'm also the happiest person I know. Not too angry.
Not to mention, haven't any of you ever watched Sesame Street? "It ain't bad to be mad," mother f**kers. Anger is a natural and healthy human emotion: directed in an appropriate and meaningful manner it can be very useful and virtuous. You fail by assuming anger is inherently a bad and destructive emotion. Weak.
 
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post Jul 3 2007, 08:43 PM
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I think it depends on the person, not their faith. Sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound that close-minded.
 
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post Jul 3 2007, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE(NoSex @ Jun 26 2007, 03:35 PM) *
I'm the greatest, most "fervent", atheist I know...
I'm also the happiest person I know. Not too angry.
Not to mention, haven't any of you ever watched Sesame Street? "It ain't bad to be mad," mother f**kers. Anger is a natural and healthy human emotion: directed in an appropriate and meaningful manner it can be very useful and virtuous. You fail by assuming anger is inherently a bad and destructive emotion. Weak.


How about Monks? Monks don't express anger, but they could be angry/mad and just not express it visually. But then again, Tibetans teach that anger IS destructive.

And by your philosophy, Buddhists fail and they're weak as well... lol

But I would like to say, when I step into the middle of the ring full of atheist, I'm like Muhammad Ali, my strikes flow like a butterfly and sting like a bee. Thus causing Atheist to be furiously silly laugh.gif
 
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post Jul 3 2007, 08:51 PM
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well, it depends on the question youre asking.

im atheist, and i would say...yes, im angry. i stopped believing in god or respecting the christian religion the day my mom committed suicide (i was 9). i knew the two reasons why she did it: because she was highly depressed, and because she wanted to be with god more than anything. she longed for heaven/god even more than she longed to be with her 9 year old child. im angry at "him" for taking the one important thing away from me. im angry at "him" for all my tortureous teen years. and i blame "him" for the relationship with my dad.

however, overall, my "hatred" towards religion isnt as harsh. i do hate when religious citizens criticize my decision. it's a decision and it's mine. respect it. i used to be really good friends with one of my neighbors..but once her parents found out i had no religious preference, they banner her from me. seriously, what am i going to do? not believing does not mean im a bad influence whatsoever.
 
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Do you not have doubts about your higher power sometimes? A religion based on faith that was created thousands & thousands of years ago when the standard of living was ridiculous and nobody spoke their mind without fear of getting their heads chopped off. If a person went to church all his life and suddenly realized that the religion isn't what he believes in, but was what he was taught to believe since he was a child, I think that'd be reason enough to set someone off.
 
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Do you not have doubts about your higher power sometimes? A religion based on faith that was created thousands & thousands of years ago when the standard of living was ridiculous and nobody spoke their mind without fear of getting their heads chopped off. If a person went to church all his life and suddenly realized that the religion isn't what he believes in, but was what he was taught to believe since he was a child, I think that'd be reason enough to set someone off.

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it all starts with fear.
 
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post Jul 3 2007, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE(voguelove @ Jul 3 2007, 09:51 PM) *
well, it depends on the question youre asking.

im atheist, and i would say...yes, im angry. i stopped believing in god or respecting the christian religion the day my mom committed suicide (i was 9). i knew the two reasons why she did it: because she was highly depressed, and because she wanted to be with god more than anything. she longed for heaven/god even more than she longed to be with her 9 year old child. im angry at "him" for taking the one important thing away from me. im angry at "him" for all my tortureous teen years. and i blame "him" for the relationship with my dad.

however, overall, my "hatred" towards religion isnt as harsh. i do hate when religious citizens criticize my decision. it's a decision and it's mine. respect it. i used to be really good friends with one of my neighbors..but once her parents found out i had no religious preference, they banner her from me. seriously, what am i going to do? not believing does not mean im a bad influence whatsoever.


Wait... so you're an atheist not because of science, but because you blame God for taking a family member from you? Damn.

1: There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was blameless and upright, one who feared God, and turned away from evil.

2: There were born to him seven sons and three daughters.

3: He had seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she-asses, and very many servants; so that this man was the greatest of all the people of the east.

4: His sons used to go and hold a feast in the house of each on his day; and they would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.

5: And when the days of the feast had run their course, Job would send and sanctify them, and he would rise early in the morning and offer burnt offerings according to the number of them all; for Job said, "It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts." Thus Job did continually.

6: Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.

7: The LORD said to Satan, "Whence have you come?" Satan answered the LORD, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it."

8: And the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?"

9: Then Satan answered the LORD, "Does Job fear God for nought?

10: Hast thou not put a hedge about him and his house and all that he has, on every side? Thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land.

11: But put forth thy hand now, and touch all that he has, and he will curse thee to thy face."

12: And the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power; only upon himself do not put forth your hand." So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

13: Now there was a day when his sons and daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house;

14: and there came a messenger to Job, and said, "The oxen were plowing and the asses feeding beside them;

15: and the Sabe'ans fell upon them and took them, and slew the servants with the edge of the sword; and I alone have escaped to tell you."

16: While he was yet speaking, there came another, and said, "The fire of God fell from heaven and burned up the sheep and the servants, and consumed them; and I alone have escaped to tell you."

17: While he was yet speaking, there came another, and said, "The Chalde'ans formed three companies, and made a raid upon the camels and took them, and slew the servants with the edge of the sword; and I alone have escaped to tell you."

18: While he was yet speaking, there came another, and said, "Your sons and daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house;

19: and behold, a great wind came across the wilderness, and struck the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young people, and they are dead; and I alone have escaped to tell you."

20: Then Job arose, and rent his robe, and shaved his head, and fell upon the ground, and worshiped.

21: And he said, "Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked shall I return; the LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD."

22: In all this Job did not sin or charge God with wrong.
 
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it all starts with fear.


I fear God... and God only. No human nor object shall ever strike fear into my heart/mind.
 
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and it ends with suffering.
 
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 3 2007, 10:38 PM) *
and it ends with suffering.


Explain your childish philosophy.
It starts with fear and ends in suffering. What starts with fear and what ends in suffering.

Actually nevermind, I don't care. At least the righteous will look forward to death and meeting with God sooner. After "suffering" comes death :)
 
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the people i know that are truly angry associate themselves with different groups such as deism, atheism, and christianity

so, really i think the religous belief a person chooses has a little to do with how angry they are, but it mainly depends on each person's personal experience with religion and their own assumptions and ideas.
 
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QUOTE(Joss-eh-lime @ Jul 3 2007, 10:46 PM) *
the people i know that are truly angry associate themselves with different groups such as deism, atheism, and christianity

so, really i think the religous belief a person chooses has a little to do with how angry they are, but it mainly depends on each person their personal experience with religion and their own assumptions and ideas.



Well there's only two kinds of Atheist.
The faithless pussified humans who blame God for everything and anything that doesn't go their way because they think God is their servant of some sort. (no pun intended voguelove)

And the atheist who actually look at the human logic of things and see that there's no proof in their eyes that God exists.
 
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Well there's only two kinds of Atheist.
The faithless pussified humans who blame God for everything and anything that doesn't go their way because they think God is their servant of some sort. (no pun intended voguelove)

And the atheist who actually look at the human logic of things and see that there's no proof in their eyes that God exists.


Wait ... how can an Atheist blame God for everything and anything that doesn't go their way? A = no Theist = God. They don't believe in God. Period.
 
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Wait ... how can an Atheist blame God for everything and anything that doesn't go their way? A = no Theist = God. They don't believe in God. Period.

Uh... voguelove would fall into the atheist who blamed God for everything and anything etc... and became unfaithful/atheist.

Meaning at first the person was faithful and God loving or even wasn't so religious/agnostic. Something went bad one day or a series of events happened and they blamed God for all the negative things that had happened. Thus becoming an atheist out of spite.

It's not hard to understand my post, is it?
 
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QUOTE(Tamacracker @ Jul 3 2007, 09:59 PM) *
Uh... voguelove would fall into the atheist who blamed God for everything and anything etc... and became unfaithful/atheist.

Meaning at first the person was faithful and God loving or even wasn't so religious/agnostic. Something went bad one day or a series of events happened and they blamed God for all the negative things that had happened. Thus becoming an atheist out of spite.

It's not hard to understand my post, is it?


Ah, got it. biggrin.gif

Can't someone be a combination of the both?
 

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