^Again I never said you did say that.When you have an addiction,at first it was a choice to do it but once your addicted you no longer have a choice.It's not something you just go and say "oh hah I will stop doing this".It's not Impossible to stop but it may not always be a choice no matter how hard you try.Its the urge that makes you want to do it.

most of the time it's peer pressure. choices, choices, choices. people should learn to good make choices. that's just a fact. even if it was an "urge" that caused it, it's still a choice. no one forced anyone do drink. so it's their own fault. i'm in no way saying that they should get an organ that they need, i'm just saying that the child should get it first because they've done nothing wrong to get put in that situation. i have no pity for drinkers.

Well obviously. Everything we do in life is a choice. Everything in life has its risks. Not everyone who drinks ends up dying over it. And certainly no one drinks thinking they'll become addicted or die from it. I'm not trying to excuse anyone for doing it, but come on. If a person *KNEW* they were going to need a organ transplant or something later on in life from drinking, they would never take the first sip. Everyone makes mistakes in life... whether its taking their first sip, smoking their first joint, etc. They just become uncontrollable habits. I dont know how hard it is to completely stop drinking, but I know it takes some people years to break the habit of smoking.

Dont worry, I didnt forget about it. I'm just a little tired of repeating the same thing over and over again. The debate was going nowhere. But ahhh whatever.


Yeah, but EVERYONE makes a bad choice somewhere along the line. I dont mean to sound all stalkerish, but I saw the other day you talking about getting your face pierced... that's no more peer pressure or a bad choice than some kid starting to drink. Hopefully I didnt just cross the line by saying that - because I dont mean it in a bad way. But everyone caves into peer pressure in one way or another. Its sad, but true.

i do understand what you're saying and i half-way agree with you. i'm not sure, but it just seems like common sense to me that the child would get the organ first. that is, unless they were going to die anyways and it could save the drinker's life.
the debate was going nowhere because you stop replying. i like debating with you. it's a challenge.
i never said that everyone doesn't make a bad choice. everyone does, like you implyed. i didn't get my piercing because of peer pressure. i got it because i felt like it would express myself more. actually, i got in an argument with this guy. he said not to get it, because they were ugly. lots of people don't like that particular kind of piercing because it's pretty uncommon. but i'm not doing it to satisfy anyone else.
and yes, you're right. everyone has peer pressure. people give in alot. i've given in to alot of things. and if i get addicted, it'll be my own fault because i know the risks.

I really think you have to disregard whether or not this man was morally WRONG to put himself in this state, and disregard that the child is so small and innocent, because it should, (and normally does) all come down to this single point-

WHICH ONE OF THE TWO NEEDS THE KIDNEY SOONEST?

Is the man's life of less importance just because his condition was from a choice he CHOSE to make voluntarily? Nobody really has the right to judge the value of one life compared to another. This man is asking for a kidney transplant- not for silly judgement. He's already facing the consequences of his alcohol habits anyways, if the issue is moral here. (And for the fee of the transplant, later on.)

Oh, I agree - the child should be given the chance to live before any adult, even if they both needed an organ as a result of a birth defect... but that's if they're in the same type of condition. But if a child still has several weeks/months to live, and the adult is in critical condition - then by all means the adult should have it.

Well, I stopped replying because I didnt feel like it was really going anywhere. It just seemed like we kept repeating things over and over again. It's not your fault or anything though - it seems like that's how it usually is when people try to debate things like that. Religion cant be completely proved or disproved in a debate. But I think I'll go back and re-read to your last post there, and hopefully think of something else to add.

That's great that you didnt do it just to fit in then. I shouldnt have worded that the way I did - I meant that it seems like a large majority of people who do get piercings like that do it because of peer pressure or to fit in... but certainly not everyone.

i do understand what you're saying. and i agree in those circumstances. but the op said nothing about the time that had to live.