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God is the worst murderer yet you love him. |
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secondly, there was a reason behind God killing all those people so your point sux. No doubt there was a reason. Every time someone is killed, there is a reason for it. Jealousy, hate, they find it fun.. You name it. Does that mean as long as we have a reason it's okay? - James. |
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![]() hardxcore. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,223 Joined: Nov 2006 Member No: 479,494 ![]() |
No doubt there was a reason. Every time someone is killed, there is a reason for it. Jealousy, hate, they find it fun.. You name it. Does that mean as long as we have a reason it's okay? - James. they said reasoning behind god killing those people. what you are explaining is people's reasoning for murder. and it's not the same. they don't even begin to equal up. |
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#228
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![]() Kimberly ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,961 Joined: Apr 2005 Member No: 121,599 ![]() |
all of those are in the old testament. ![]() edit: - Numbers 37:17-18:uhm.numbers only goes to 36. - Judges 21:10-24:this isn't god doing it, it's the people. - Isaiah 13:15-18:this is telling what is going to happen.have you ever heard of the rapture? Wtf? So you're trying to say that the Old Testament doesnt matter? I've heard preachers preach on the Old Testament tons of times. What... no 37? I must have made a typo. Let me check. Doesnt matter. So during the rapture then, God is going to allow children to be murdered and women to be raped? Just for not being saved? ![]() I'm really busy right now, but I'll reply later with explanations/more references. ![]() |
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#229
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![]() hardxcore. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,223 Joined: Nov 2006 Member No: 479,494 ![]() |
Wtf? So you're trying to say that the Old Testament doesnt matter? I've heard preachers preach on the Old Testament tons of times. What... no 37? I must have made a typo. Let me check. I'm really busy right now, but I'll reply later with explanations/more references. ![]() nope. just that it doesn't apply to everyday life as now. that's why there's a new testament. plus, i explained them afterwards. hah. it's fine. i'm pretty busy myself. ![]() |
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#230
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suicide time is at 3 am tonight if you guys wanna go bring the war to God in the next life, see you there!
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#231
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![]() hardxcore. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,223 Joined: Nov 2006 Member No: 479,494 ![]() |
suicide time is at 3 am tonight if you guys wanna go bring the war to God in the next life, see you there! what? ![]() QUOTE Doesnt matter. So during the rapture then, God is going to allow children to be murdered and women to be raped? Just for not being saved? That makes it sound even worse. so you edited a bit. ![]() what doesn't matter? that i had rational explinations that you are too stubborn to believe? somewhat. during the rapture, people who have had the chance to be saved will suffer. however, they do have a second chance. people want to make god sound so unforgiving, when they just leave out certain parts. ![]() different people have different times for being saved. certain people will suffer. children wont because they haven't had the chance or the option yet. read revalations. ![]() |
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Sounds like we need a God vs Satan southpark. Or better yet, a God vs Kenny.
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![]() Kimberly ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,961 Joined: Apr 2005 Member No: 121,599 ![]() |
so you edited a bit. ![]() what doesn't matter? that i had rational explinations that you are too stubborn to believe? somewhat. during the rapture, people who have had the chance to be saved will suffer. however, they do have a second chance. people want to make god sound so unforgiving, when they just leave out certain parts. ![]() different people have different times for being saved. certain people will suffer. children wont because they haven't had the chance or the option yet. read revalations. ![]() No, I realized that you were right - it wasnt God just killing people, it was reffering to the rapture. But either way, that's still pretty bad. Yeah, everyone does have the chance to be saved... but why do you think alot of people turn it down? It's definitely not to be rebellious, at least in most cases. It's called LOGIC. Logical-minded people are more into proof... and have a much harder time with faith. So how is it a person's fault if they try to find the answers in life.... (the correct religion) and dont find it? That's assuming Christianity is correct. God created us... and obviously made some people more logical than others. I didnt pay much attention to the verses I posted yesterday... I just copied the references and summaries off of yahoo answers. I'm going to start using my actual Bible from now on. ![]() Okay... and with the whole "children wont" garbage, have you not read the verses? I'm not really concerned what Revelations says. If it actually does state that, then it's a contradiction. "(15) Everyone that is found shall be thrust through; and everyone that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. (16) Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. (17) Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it. (18) Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces, and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children." ![]() |
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![]() hardxcore. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,223 Joined: Nov 2006 Member No: 479,494 ![]() |
how is it so bad. he died on the cross. he gives us several chances(more than two)to redeem ourselves and the ones that don't have to suffer the consequences. tell me this. when god does come back, and people see him, do you think more people are going to base their beliefs by "logic" and living in hell rather than facing that they were wrong and having everlasting life? i don't think so.again, that's talking about the rapture. i don't really understand what you're getting at here. revalations doesn't contradict anything.
everything in the bible isn't meant to be taken literal. that's probably one of those things. my preacher is gone for the week, so i'll have to wait until next week to ask him about it. ![]() |
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![]() Kimberly ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,961 Joined: Apr 2005 Member No: 121,599 ![]() |
Uhm, okay. The reference I originally listed was Isaiah 13:15-18. I mistakenly assumed the wrong thing, and you corrected me by saying that the verses were reffering to the rapture. But then you claimed that Revelations says that children wont suffer during the rapture. Isaiah clearly states that they will. So which is it? One of those is obviously incorrect, so this has to be a contradiction. Understand now?
So how are we supposed to know what can and cannot be taken literally? Maybe children not suffering in Revelations shouldnt be taken literally - but the other verses from Isaiah should be. Or vice versa. How the heck do you think we're supposed to be able to pick out what can and cannot be taken literally? It's impossible. But I think that's just a crappy explanation to why there's contradictions. Crap, you edited. Well this is to what you originally said. ![]() QUOTE when god does come back, and people see him, do you think more people are going to base their beliefs by "logic" and living in hell rather than facing that they were wrong and having everlasting life? i don't think so.again, that's talking about the rapture. Yeah, hahah of course. It's so much easier to believe in something when you can actually see, hear, or feel it. I really dont understand what you're trying to say. You mean, are people going to realize that God is who the Bible says he is, once they're in hell? Well of course they would. How are you supposed to face that you're wrong about something when you dont realize that you really are wrong? |
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![]() hardxcore. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 1,223 Joined: Nov 2006 Member No: 479,494 ![]() |
Uhm, okay. The reference I originally listed was Isaiah 13:15-18. I mistakenly assumed the wrong thing, and you corrected me by saying that the verses were reffering to the rapture. But then you claimed that Revelations says that children wont suffer during the rapture. Isaiah clearly states that they will. So which is it? One of those is obviously incorrect, so this has to be a contradiction. Understand now? So how are we supposed to know what can and cannot be taken literally? Maybe children not suffering in Revelations shouldnt be taken literally - but the other verses from Isaiah should be. Or vice versa. How the heck do you think we're supposed to be able to pick out what can and cannot be taken literally? It's impossible. But I think that's just a crappy explanation to why there's contradictions. Crap, you edited. Well this is to what you originally said. ![]() Yeah, hahah of course. It's so much easier to believe in something when you can actually see, hear, or feel it. I really dont understand what you're trying to say. You mean, are people going to realize that God is who the Bible says he is, once they're in hell? Well of course they would. How are you supposed to face that you're wrong about something when you dont realize that you really are wrong? that is a prophecy of what the medes would do against babylon, not a commandment of the lord. in fact, this helps prove the bible is true. god said that this would happen and then it did. check your history books. we aren't supposed to understand all the aspects of the bible. if we were, there would be no reason for studies or wondering behind religion. no, it's not a "crappy explination". QUOTE A problem most of us have with the book of Revelation today is that the explanations provided within the text are often as difficult to understand as the images they are supposed to explain. For example, it is not much help to know that the seven stars in Jesus' right hand are the "angels" of the seven churches unless we know what role angels have in relation to churches. The word angel means messenger, and some (for example, Tenney 1957:55) have theorized that these "angels" were actually human messengers of God, either the minister or the pastor of each church--assuming churches had a single leader by this time--or a prophet, or perhaps the public reader of John's letter to the assembled congregation (see 1:3).
Everywhere else in the book of Revelation, angels are supernatural messengers, and there is no reason to make an exception here. When angels in this book are identified, it is always either in relation to whomever they serve (for example, God's angel, or Christ's, in 1:1; 3:5; 22:6, 16; "Michael and his angels" in 12:7; "the dragon and his angels" in 12:7, 9), or in relation to the realm over which they rule (for example, "the angel of the Abyss" in 9:11 or the angel "who had charge of the fire" in 14:18 or "the angel in charge of the waters" in 16:5). "Angels of the seven churches" belong to the latter group. They rule or preside over the churches just as an angel presides over the sources of fresh water or over fire or over the realm of death and destruction (compare the four angels in control of the winds "who had been given power to harm the land and the sea" in 7:2). Like these angels over various spheres of existence, the angels of the seven churches are not easily characterized as either good or evil. They share in the moral ambiguity of the congregations over which they preside, as well as in the praise and the blame that those congregations deserve (see Beckwith 1922:445). Today, because of our love for abstraction, we find John's distinction between the angels and their respective congregations--between the stars and the lampstands--rather confusing. Many of us would be more comfortable speaking of the ethos, the atmosphere or even the spirit (in a rather secular sense) of a congregation or a community than of its "angel." Yet to John they are, quite literally, angels whom God holds responsible for the life and well-being of the congregations. Paul had referred to speaking "in the tongues . . . of angels" (1 Cor 13:1) and had urged proper conduct in worship at Corinth "because of the angels" (1 Cor 11:10). They seem to have had their greatest importance in Paul's Asian congregations (Colossae and Laodicea), and Paul is careful to point out the danger of esteeming them too highly or putting them at the center of Christian worship or religious experience (see Col 2:18). Perhaps because of such tendencies in Asia, they are not pictured here in Revelation as dwelling "in the heavenly world" (Boring 1989:86) or as the churches' "spiritual counterparts" in heaven (Caird 1966:25). They are as much a part of this world as the churches for which they are responsible. "I know where you live," says Jesus to the angel of Pergamum, "where Satan has his throne" (2:13). |
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![]() AttacKATTack! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 697 Joined: Jun 2007 Member No: 536,660 ![]() |
QUOTE For dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf Ex.32:27-28, 35, BT 3000 30,536,003 Can someone please explain this to me? |
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Supposedly, he was worshiping a false idol (the golden calf), which is against one of the ten commandments.
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