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 Apr 28 2007, 07:24 PM
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In an atheist perspective, humans don't have rights. After all, without God, where else would we have gotten our supposed "unalienable rights" from? Or did we somehow acquired them during evolution?
So I guess those who follow the American Constitution are suppose to believe in God or something. Do we or don't we have unalienable rights? Argue well. The existence of God may depend on it. |
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Apr 28 2007, 08:28 PM
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Oh ... so, you're implying that it's okay to have slaves, slaughter people, and torture them.
Do you want to live in one hell of a world like that? i understand these concepts from believer of God. but really, no one wants to live like in the old time. |
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Apr 28 2007, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE(Spiritual Winged Aura @ Apr 28 2007, 9:28 PM)  Oh ... so, you're implying First of all, just to clarify, I am not implying anything.But for the sake of discussion, I'm going to try to argue for the opposition anyway. QUOTE(Spiritual Winged Aura @ Apr 28 2007, 9:28 PM) Oh ... so, you're implying that it's okay to have slaves, slaughter people, and torture them. Who ever said there was anything wrong with having slaves?Do you want to live in one hell of a world like that? i understand these concepts from believer of God. but really, no one wants to live like in the old time. People did. And people don't want to live "like the old time." That's why people decided to not have slavery. (Of course, this is a general statement.) Realizing that "this slave/person has rights that can't be ignored" isn't necessary. All it takes is "I don't like it when people keep whip other people, let's create a movement to end slavery." |
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| *Podomaht* |
Apr 28 2007, 10:59 PM
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boring.
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Apr 29 2007, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Apr 28 2007, 6:55 PM) First of all, just to clarify, I am not implying anything. But for the sake of discussion, I'm going to try to argue for the opposition anyway. Who ever said there was anything wrong with having slaves? People did. And people don't want to live "like the old time." That's why people decided to not have slavery. (Of course, this is a general statement.) Realizing that "this slave/person has rights that can't be ignored" isn't necessary. All it takes is "I don't like it when people keep whip other people, let's create a movement to end slavery." Okay. If we dont have rights, dont you think slavery will continue? |
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| *I Viddy Horrorshow* |
Apr 29 2007, 12:56 PM
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So, the implication is that the only source of rights is Divinity?
The 'rights' which are 'inalienable' legally come from the law itself, and those who created the law. The ones which people consider ought to be inalienable are obviously variable depending on the individual. And the idea that atheists don't believe in human rights is just, frankly, odd. |
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Apr 29 2007, 01:17 PM
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QUOTE(I Viddy Horrorshow @ Apr 29 2007, 1:56 PM) The 'rights' which are 'inalienable' legally come from the law itself, and those who created the law. The ones which people consider ought to be inalienable are obviously variable depending on the individual. So people created inalienable rights (because people created the law), even though what's inalienable varies from person to person.
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| *I Viddy Horrorshow* |
Apr 29 2007, 03:13 PM
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Well, people created the concept of an inalienable right, yes. That much would be obvious.
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Apr 29 2007, 03:33 PM
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Ok, so you can have one place in the world say "these are inalienable human rights," and have another place in the world say "so-and-so are inalienable rights," and then have yet another place in the world say "you have no inalienable rights."
And so I guess it should be the illusion of inalienable rights, if inalienable rights are merely opinion, and are well, alienable. Essentially, there's no such thing as inalienable rights. QUOTE(Declaration of Independence @ July 4, 1776) We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. The Declaration of Independence must have been written with fail.
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Apr 30 2007, 02:01 PM
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 The one man Voltron Group: Member Posts: 711 Joined: Dec 2006 Member No: 491,519 |
QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Apr 29 2007, 10:33 PM) Ok, so you can have one place in the world say "these are inalienable human rights," and have another place in the world say "so-and-so are inalienable rights," and then have yet another place in the world say "you have no inalienable rights." And so I guess it should be the illusion of inalienable rights, if inalienable rights are merely opinion, and are well, alienable. Essentially, there's no such thing as inalienable rights. The Declaration of Independence must have been written with fail. The "unalienable" rights are just arbitrary limits that mark the essential principles of a specific society. Other than that, there's not really much to add to the story, and those rights can be revoked by any person that has sufficient power to do so. |
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| *onewaysalcha* |
May 1 2007, 09:27 PM
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As Christians, God has marked what is inherently good or bad/right or wrong (unalienable rights). Ex: you hurt a person and you have to go to jail. This is wrong, under the justice of the law. Now try to prove this using matter of facts if you are an atheist.
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May 3 2007, 07:48 AM
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 The kooks Group: Member Posts: 499 Joined: Apr 2007 Member No: 516,563 |
The reality is that humans don't have rights. It's something we've developed and produced for a better standard of living, etc.
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| *I Viddy Horrorshow* |
May 5 2007, 06:58 AM
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QUOTE(onewaysalcha @ May 2 2007, 3:27 AM) As Christians, God has marked what is inherently good or bad/right or wrong (unalienable rights). Ex: you hurt a person and you have to go to jail. This is wrong, under the justice of the law. Now try to prove this using matter of facts if you are an atheist. Prove what? That killing someone will get you sent to jail? All I have to do is go and get the lawbook. It's just a factualy truth. It has nothing to do with God, one way or the other. |
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May 5 2007, 11:54 AM
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The one man Voltron Group: Member Posts: 711 Joined: Dec 2006 Member No: 491,519 |
QUOTE(onewaysalcha @ May 2 2007, 4:27 AM) As Christians, God has marked what is inherently good or bad/right or wrong (unalienable rights). Ex: you hurt a person and you have to go to jail. This is wrong, under the justice of the law. Now try to prove this using matter of facts if you are an atheist. Createblog's rules weren't written with the help of God the Almighty; and if they were, he surely isn't cited as a reference. |
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May 24 2007, 07:46 AM
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Rights were "Given" to us by our respective governments. Rights, which in theory, we should have had already.
Rights are almost a way of saying "This is what's left after we got rid of everything else we don't want you to do." My somewhat basic thoughts on that, anyway.. - James. |
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