The first part of my reply "that was what I was thinking" was directed to Arjuna's comment about the shift button, not to you.

so wtf are you talking about? Let me ask you, how can you explain the concept of God creating the earth in 6 days? And as I asked you before, how do you explain evolution?

his post was directed toward me, and you were agreeing.
god can do anything. this is where you keep making a mistake. god isn't like humans. he is a spirit, not a human being.
God did not create “peers” or beings equal to Himself. logically, He could not do so. if God were to create another being of equal power, intelligence, and perfection, then He would cease to be the One True God for the simple reason that there would be two gods—and that would be an impossibility. “The Lord He is God; there is none else beside Him” (Deuteronomy 4:35). anything that God creates must of necessity be lesser than He. the thing made can never be greater than the One who made it.
recognizing the complete sovereignty and holiness of God, we are amazed that He would take man and “crown him with glory and honor” (Psalm 8:5), and that He would condescend to call us “friends” (John 15:14-15).
^^'twas taken from my post before, which you obviously didn't read.
and why would i "explain" evolution when i don't believe it?

So you mean you've always used the caps button, just to capitalize a letter? That's what the shift button's for.

Why on earth would God need to prove his glory. (haha note the period instead of the question mark ). Why would a perfect God need to fulfill his pleasures? Obviously, if he really was perfect, there would be no need for that. If he really did create us to fulfill his pleasures, then prior to him doing so, a piece of him was missing... so therefore he couldnt be perfect. And someone who's perfect would have no reason to please himself.

Well, then what the hell do you call Satan then? If he has the power to lure God's children from supposedly being in heaven with him, then why doesnt God stop that? If God was more powerful than him, then he could easily just snap his fingers, and do away with him... right? Well, Christians still run around claiming that the Devil tries to fight us... so God obviously hasnt done anything about him. So either (1) God could care less about what he's doing to his "children" or (2) God is incapable of doing anything about it, because he isnt powerful enough. Honestly, I think its neither, considering I dont believe in the Bible to begin with.

Oh really? So God talks back to you when you pray? What does he say?

Wtf, you're telling me to look into it? Omfg. You're kidding, right? Typically, when a person prays, they're telling God what's on their heart. I've never heard of God responding back. I've heard people say that God supposedly answers their prayers, by making something happen that they prayed for. That could be legitimate, or coincidence... which is what it probably is.

Who are you to judge? You dont know me. Oh believe me, I was more than ready to "let him in". I've been going to a Christian school for the past six years, so everyday I hear nothing but God and how Jesus loves me. Every single teacher starts class with prayer. I'm also stuck attending a chapel service twice a week. Like I said before... I was a Christian at one point, and actually honestly believed the crap that I was brainwashed into believing. So trust me, I was freaking WAITING for God to answer my prayers. I wasnt selfish like most Christians are.... I didnt pray that I'd get a good grade on a test, or that I would win a soccer game. I prayed for my mother, who then and still is having major health problems, for my grandmother who at the time was dying of cancer (she suffered at the very end, and has since passed), and for a bunch of other relatives who were in similar situations. Lets just say the things I constantly pleaded for never came true. I did everything the "perfect" Christian should do, but God still didnt answer my prayers. And you're trying to say that I've never given him the chance... HAH. How ignorant can you possibly be.

You must've have been doing it wrong.

I was talking about the f**king shift button.

If your proof comes only with the bible, and there isn't any proof to support the bible, how am I supposed to believe it? So, with all the evidence of evolution in the world, how do you explain that? What, did God decide to plant bones down in a random area?

WTF are you talking about proof to support to Bible?




Your point is pretty much...pointless.

Christianity teaches that God lets Satan tempt us because, not that he doesn't care, nor that he simply isn't powerful enough. It's because if God wanted us to have the CHOICE. The choice to have surprise butt secks, and the CHOICE to believe in him. Otherwise, there would've been no point in having Adam and Eve sin.

The Garden of Eden was set to show how life could've been like if we hadn't f**ked up. It's to show how great life will be in Heaven, only better.

Also, God doesn't simply speak to you and go " DUMB BITCH, I HAVE ANSWERED THY PRAYERS. "

Incidents happen, cancer attacks, and AIDS inflicts. Just 'cause you pray about it doesn't mean God is going to heal everyone. Otherwise, noone would pray to God constantly. It'd be just simply whenever we need help. When people pass away, it's to make us stronger and to remind us that God can give and take. He can kill your mother or he could let her live. He's got the power.

Also. The " PERFECT " Christian wouldn't have given up when God seemed like he wasn't listening. He was. You just weren't listening.

Also, final thing. It sounds like you were too young to be actually a Christian. You yourself have to be able to accept Jesus into your heart. You were probably way too young anyways.

But Christians claim that God already knows what choices we are going to make in life. So wouldnt God know if a person is going to die and go to hell? If he's all knowing like he claims to be, then he'd have to know. And I dont think a kind and loving God would let his children burn in hell like that... he would make something occur in their life to make sure they were going to be with him.

Well obviously.

So is that your excuse for God not answering certain prayers?

Uh excuse me. I was 12 - 16 when I was a Christian. I think a sixteen year old is more than capable of accepting him. What a lame excuse.

yes, i have.
jesus wanted to spread his glory. he's not perfect, he's sinless.
again, god gives us free-will. it's us that screwed up, not him. bet yet, people like you go around blaming it on him for not making you mindless zombies. it's amazing to me.
if God's "children" cared anything about him, they would go against his will, like you are doing with your blaphemous comments.
actually, he does talk back to me. and why would i tell you what he says when it's personal to me. i'll tell you this though; he gives me strength.
i'm not judging you;you're juding me if anything.
it sounds to me like you are holding a grudge though. god doesn't answer prayers like that. he oculd make them live, but he doesn't because it's a test of strength.
he is giving you the power to decide.
and christians aren't selfish.
like podomaht said, if you were the
"perfect" christian, you wouldn't have turned against him. not to mention, there's not such thing as a "perfect" chistian in the first place.
where does your proof come from?
it's funny to me. you believe all the historical "edidence" you see around you, but you don't believe in god. he's around you. everywhere....all the time. there is historical evidence of him existing.

no, just in making decisions in the world now-a-days. there is a reason that jesus changed/updated it.

Because he had previously made an error?

Dude, I just answered the 2nd question about unanswered prayers in my f**king response. It's called reading. You do that much or do you try to just skip that?

God knows everything. He is also two dimensional. One dimension is that he is a loving God. But he also is, a god who judges. Since God is perfect, he cannot be affiliated with those who sin, much less be in the presence of it. That is why Jesus came down to Earth.


Here's a theology lesson for you. Before Jesus came to Earth, ANYONE who believed in the LORD ( Yahweh ) went straight to hell. Why? Because God could not be in the presence of sin. They did go to hell, but they went into a place called " Abraham's Bosom. " ( Or Abram. Whichever. Same name. ) It was basically Heaven, without God's literal presence.

Now, when Jesus had died, he went straight to hell, to pay for the sins of OUR lives; and while doing so, he brought up all those who had patiently waited in Abraham's Bosom and brought them up to heaven as well.

And God does try to make things occur to change a non-believer's life. Like now. I'm debating with you and trying to explain the Bible is flawless. It just takes some time and removing all ignorance of the Bible to understand most of it.

Now, onto what you were saying about unanswered prayers.

God doesn't speak with Man anymore, not after circa Jesus' time, because the Bible was near completion. The Bible IS God's word. Now on prayers, God won't speak with you. He listen, and while he may not literally throw down lightning bolts saying "HERE IS THE CURE TO CANCER"

He speaks through feeling.


And I'm not going to argue about the last point, but 12-16 is still way too immature. I'm still young, ( Way older than you ) and I don't even know one^219382482309482340238402-13821983721983217391274916th of what God has in store for me.

Try patience.

no. because the laws changed over time. the old testament was suitable for it's time period.
for example, in the old testament, the sabath day was on saturday. it is no more.

Ok, just checking.

i just edited my post.

So... you're saying that anything sexist in the Old Testament isnt worth listing? If you're going to ignore it, then I wont waste my time. But it's obviously there.

So since he's not perfect, then he's flawed in one way or another...? Wouldnt he have known that we would screw things up then? After all, he's supposedly all knowing.

I'm not trying to go against him at all. I believe in God. How many times do I have to repeat that? Okay... let me get this straight. Since I dont believe the exact way you do, I'm being blasphemous towards God? Ahhhh hahah. I could just as easily say that you're being blasphemous.

Oh really? I dont really care what he's been telling you, but how does he tell you? In what means does he communicate?

So God let my grandmother SUFFER for two freaking years, just to test me? Even before she got sick, I was a Christian. And I was even a Christian for two years after she died. I didnt blame God then. So how was I holding a grudge, especially back then? How the hell do you suggest someone pray then?

Uhhh, I'm aware of that. NO ONE is perfect. That's why I used the quotations around "perfect". I was living the way a Christian should live. Just because I later lost my faith, doesnt mean that I didnt have it at one point.


Okay, so God knew we were going to sin in the first place, correct? Why the hell didnt he stop the serpent from tempting Adam and Eve? He easily could have. Or better yet, why the heck did he create the serpent?

Well, thanks for the lesson, but I was already aware of most of that. So in todays time, all those who dont believe in Jesus, are suposedly damned. So ninety something percent of the world is going to burn in a eternal hell? Thats sick if you actually believe that.

So God's lying when he says "For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened" (Matthew 7:8)??? He obviously is... considering he doesnt answer most prayers, even prayers made by his most faithful followers.

If what you say is correct, then Hazardous must be hearing things.

of course he knew. what an ignorant question to ask.

QUOTE

Thus, we saw that God, in keeping with His perfect plan, placed a simple test before the man whom He had created. In the middle of the garden, God planted the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and then commanded the man, saying, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for [in the day that] you eat of it you will surely die." (Gen. 2:16)

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Why did God test Adam in this way? God wanted to show the condition of Adam's heart. God did not test Adam to cause him to sin, but to bless and strengthen him. The man whom God created had no faults and was without sin, but that does not mean he possessed a perfect love or a mature character. God placed a test before Adam, to test his love. If Adam stood the test and obeyed God, he would prove that he loved God in his heart. Also, if Adam stood the test and refused to sin, that test would strengthen him, because the Scriptures say that "patience in times of trial produces character." (Rom. 5:4)

ta-da.
he comminicates through feelings. seriously. do you read at all or do you just to skip over the parts that you don't want to hear?
god answers all prayers with "no", "yes", or "wait".
he obviously answered yours as "no" for reasons that only he knows at the moment. you question his authority.

It's spelled evidence.
What evidence? Hello, evolution? And how do you prove that the Buddha is not the real god, or Mohammed? And so you really believe that Methusaleh or however his name is spelled lived for 900 or so years?

And Santa Claus, The Tooth Fairy, and The Flying Spaghetti Monster!

^ Don't forget the easter bunny!

oh. i see. we're into pointing out typos. how fun to waste our time on because we have no real life.
maybe it's just me, but i don't find the statement "Hello, evolution?" to be very much proof of anything at all.
read archie's other topic. they might all be related.
it's spelled Methuselah and yes, i do because Genesis 5:27 states, "And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died".
the bible said it, and i believe everything in the bible.

A while ago the human race was GENETICALLY PURE. Most scientists agree with this anyways. When you're genetically pure, you're likely to live longer and become stronger.



Dude, you aren't reading what I'm typing. I just said, like in my post earlier; that God gives us the freedom to sin or not. That's why he let everything happen.

I HOPE YOU READ THE BOLD PART.

And...are you kidding me? 90% of the world believes in aethiesm or some other religion?

You do realize that a 1/4th or so of the world believes in God or some form of Christianity. Meaning...it's not 1/10 of the world's population. God's plan is in action, and everyone knows about Jesus Christ and his love for the world. Likewise, again; in my last post. Read.

GOD WILL NOT CURE CANCER JUST BECAUSE HE'S GOD. Then EVERYONE will pray for a cure for their mother's weak heart...their dad's new job, and hell. How about that new Nintendo Wii?

Tough crap happens so we are allowed to build character. Actually read and take into consideration in what I say.

Yeah, I AM reading what you're typing.

And Yeah, you're right, 1/4 of the world probably believes in God, but I highly doubt 1/4 believes in Jesus. Afterall, you supposedly have to be a Christian to avoid hell.

When I said 90%, I meant that at least 90% doesnt believe in Jesus. Even those who believe in God would still go into the damned category, according to what you seem to believe.

I wasnt asking for a cure to cancer; I was asking for the type of chemo my grandmother was using to actually work. She ended up trying over a dozen different variations of it... I just prayed that one of them would work. Hell, I wasnt the only one praying for her. She constantly prayed for herself... so was God testing her too? Pfffft. She was the most religious, faithful Christian I've ever met. So she obviously had a strong relationship with God, but her prayers were still left unanswered.

I could really care less what your views on prayer are. Your opinions arent automatically truth. This thread isnt about converting me or anyone else.

Dang. Seriously, how old are you.... 13? 14?

It sure seems like it after reading some of your other "mature" posts elsewhere.

err... you're wrong. sorry. Most of the world's population is christian. Jesus-worshipping christians. If they didn't, they'd just be jews


so why pray, when you know its futile?

I hope you realize the weaknesses in your arguments.

oh yes. because humans can for over 900 years.

Wow. Just. Wow. No one here has actually read and understood.