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Gun Control, Not just the VT shooting.
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post Apr 22 2007, 05:16 PM
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Gun control should definitely be tightened. In Virginia, they restrict customers to buying one gun a month. Isn't that really dangerous? So, if you don't have a criminal record, you could purchase 24 guns in two years.

[Time magazine:] Cho bought his first gun in February then waited until March. He followed all relevant federal and Virginia laws when he bought the two semiautomatic pistols he used in his rampage. He had proper identification and no criminal record, so the purchases were approved.

Getting a gun is so easy these days. All you need is proper identification.


No it's not dangerous.

Get it through your heads. There is nothing wrong with owning a gun. It should not be a crime to own a gun.

QUOTE(Seraphim9 @ Apr 22 2007, 6:11 PM) *
In my opinon...I REALLY think firearms should be COMPLETELY banned from public use and ownership.Its very apparent that we can't be trusted to own then w/o going on all a killimg spree. SO many lives have ended b/c of them. BUT..since its unethical to eliminate to all firearms in America...I think guns should be restricted to those who ABSOLUTELY NEED IT in order to obtain food, the authorities, and obviously the military. Hopefully, if a ban was implemented, maybe there wouldn't be so many gotdam massacres in America. I only wish other countries would take up this idea as well.


In my opinion you have no idea what you're talking about and you're absolutely wrong.
 
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post Apr 22 2007, 05:42 PM
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Im sorry, i dont remeber asking for your opinion.

how bout askin me now?
 
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post Apr 22 2007, 06:52 PM
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^ I agree with you, for the most part. People would still be able to get a gun if they really wanted to, but I think gun control would definitely help cut down on shootings.
 
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QUOTE(kimmytree @ Apr 22 2007, 7:52 PM) *
^ I agree with you, for the most part. People would still be able to get a gun if they really wanted to, but I think gun control would definitely help cut down on shootings.


You're not really adding anything to the discussion other than your opinion.
 
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post Apr 22 2007, 08:33 PM
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For practical purposes, it seems like gun control should be left for each state to decide.

While gun ownership is a right that affects the U.S.A., the characteristics of each state are the ones that should determine under which conditions said right to bear arms can be exercised.

Federal bans would be too broad and therefore unable to satisfy the needs of every state. More than likely a ban of that order would be as ineffectual as Clinton's federal ban was.

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Is there any need for stricter gun control if people are as responsible as they should be?


Preparing citizens to take upon themselves the responsibility of bearing and using arms seems like a good option.

However, how could we do bring it practice? It could be mandatory "gun safety" lessons when acquiring the gun, voluntary training, or practice sessions run by nation-wide organizations such as the NRA; to name a few from the top of my head.

I am really interested in this idea.
 
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post Apr 22 2007, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE(Kurd Jam @ Apr 22 2007, 9:33 PM) *
Preparing citizens to take upon themselves the responsibility of bearing and using arms seems like a good option.

However, how could we do bring it practice? It could be mandatory "gun safety" lessons when acquiring the gun, voluntary training, or practice sessions run by nation-wide organizations such as the NRA; to name a few from the top of my head.

I am really interested in this idea.
Switzerland requires their men to undergo military training. And what they're doing appears to be working.
 
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post Apr 22 2007, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Apr 23 2007, 3:36 AM) *
Switzerland requires their men to undergo military training. And what they're doing appears to be working.


But the Swiss model would most likely fail if applied to the USA. People in the States have an inbed libertarian streak whereas the Switzies are used to draconian legislation; such as paying a pollution tax for motorbikes over 600cc (I think that's the limit, the tax exists for sure anyway).
 
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post Apr 23 2007, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Apr 22 2007, 9:36 PM) *
Switzerland requires their men to undergo military training. And what they're doing appears to be working.

Well that explains alot then... I forgot all about that. It's the same way for Germany and Spain. They require all men to serve in the military. I'm not sure about Spain, but I think Germans have to serve for two years, whether they go to college or not. So I guess pretty much everyone who owns a gun knows how to properly use it?

Too bad something like that would never work here. pinch.gif
 
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post Apr 23 2007, 06:11 PM
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Military service is no longer compulsory in Spain; and when it was, you could always ask to do social work instead of wasting time in the army. I, however, got away with doing nothing all after the recruiter declared me not apt for service after a rather misfortunate accident.

Don't get me wrong, getting a career in the army can be interesting, but the Spanish army has done something worth mentioning since the 1500s, and the prospects for the immediate future aren't much brighter.
 
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post Apr 23 2007, 08:32 PM
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i believe we need to preserve the 2nd amendment in order to protect our other civil liberties. but a gun is a deadly commodity so there should be safety measures to protect other people from those who abuse the 2nd amendment.

one thing gun manufactures have to do is make guns much easier to track. guns can have their serial numbers scraped off or the markings reduce to gibberish. if guns are easier to track, it eliminates the good, law abiding citizens who don't abuse their rights. hopefully, with future technology, linking a gun from a crime to a person would be akin to scanning a barcode.

another thing is a better cooperation between states to lock down on gun transportation. a big problem is people going to state A and buying a gun by doing a little dance then going to state B.

QUOTE(Kurd Jam @ Apr 22 2007, 9:33 PM) *
For practical purposes, it seems like gun control should be left for each state to decide.

While gun ownership is a right that affects the U.S.A., the characteristics of each state are the ones that should determine under which conditions said right to bear arms can be exercised.

Federal bans would be too broad and therefore unable to satisfy the needs of every state. More than likely a ban of that order would be as ineffectual as Clinton's federal ban was.
Preparing citizens to take upon themselves the responsibility of bearing and using arms seems like a good option.

However, how could we do bring it practice? It could be mandatory "gun safety" lessons when acquiring the gun, voluntary training, or practice sessions run by nation-wide organizations such as the NRA; to name a few from the top of my head.

I am really interested in this idea.

one reason why gun crime is still so high in nyc, even with our strict gun laws, is because some people travel to other states to obtain guns. it seems unreasonable and plain stupid/dangerous if one state has really lax laws and the neighboring state has much stricter. i'm personally insanely scared of guns because it makes it insanely easy to kill someone. it takes a life away with a highly accelerated piece of metal the size of a pebble.
 
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post Apr 24 2007, 12:47 AM
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QUOTE(kimmytree @ Apr 20 2007, 11:08 PM) *
^ That's true. Maybe limit people to purchasing hand guns? I mean, why the heck would a person need to own a machine gun for self protection? lol. mellow.gif


Would that solve shootings like the one Seung-Hui Cho carried out? (He was, after all, wielding hand guns)...
 

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