i am a bit confused on this subject, i need some opinions on JESUS, god has had enough attenmtion, jesus is the one i need answers on.

Well, it also described this creature having thickness of a cedar meaning a cedar tree and dinos were huge and behemoth means "huge beasts". They also have the word Leviath in the Bible which means "sea creature"...the video says that the dinos were believed to not of become extinct by the Bible but that they were killed off by humans for food..ect...I believe that the beasts mentioned in the Bible were in fact dinosaurs. Oh and the Bible called the dinosaurs "Dragons".

You can trust the interent to some extent but it's hard to tell what is fake and what is not, your right.

I know it's not just you thinking this, there are a lot of people who stand by evolution and in the end, meaning your judgement day you will know the truth but unfortunately by what the Bible tells us it will be too late. Just because many people agree with you on evolution doesn't mean evolution is truth or fact.

Ps: I'll read that article a little bit later tonight, have lots of cleaning to do.

First off, I didn't say this with evolution in mind. I said it about the stories in the bible which were meant to be taken METAPHORICALLY, not literally.

I honestly do not think humans had the strength back then to kill off dinosaurs.. haha. It was either due immense climate changes, or of course there are the asteroid and volcano theories, which seem logical.

Actually, the stories in the Bible were to be taken literally it's just a lot of people don't accept the truth about the Bible because they want God to appear before them to prove it to be true.

Why not? Sure they did, they did have weapons back then that could of killed the dinosaurs..or dragons as they called them. It wasn't just the humans killing them off but the climate too, it changed which got rid of there food ect...if you believe in evolution then of course your going to believe an asteroid hit the earth and killed all living things. But if that's the case then how did the planet come to be today? Did it just magically form?

Ps: I read the article on Gilgamesh, not really sure what to say about it but it is a Legend which is a unverifiable story that is handed down from differeng generations. I believe it is simply just a fable that was made up. Hence the word "Legend". Good story though.

Nope, they weren't. But that was before the stories got put into the bible and the church started treating like actual history. Which is completely idiotic.

I'm assuming you don't have much knowledge about history and I'm really tired of repeating myself. But I'll do it one last time:

Why would it be an "unverifiable" story, when scholars have studied it for such a long, long time and nobody has said anything about it being a fraud? You're right, they are legends - just as are most of the stories in the bible (except for those which are actually historically correct), and this goes to show you that the ancient civilizations never took those stories literally, but they took the mere meaning behind them - which is something we should've done too. However, now people actually believe that Jesus turned water into wine (as did Horus, the Egyptian god), etc. It's sad.

Actually, the stories were put in the Bible out of scrolls they found. There is actually a museum that comes around every once in awhile to display these scrolls but unfortunately I didn't get to see it. I wish I had though.

I have a lot of knowledge in history just not all history. It's an unverifiable story because it is said to be a Legend and that's what a Legend is, an unverifiable story handed down from generation to generation. The Bible isn't a Legend or it would of said they were believed to be Legends...but instead they are fact and from scrolls (evidence) they have found including the Shroud of Jesus. Jesus did turn water into wine but being that he is God he can do anything. Acttually, the sad part is the fact that you've been brainwashed so much into believing all this stuff and where you'll be going in the end, now that's sad.

Believe all the fairy tales you want - these scrolls weren't written before the time of the great Egyptian pharaos, and if they were.. what the hell? I thought the bible was strictly "god's word", and that people who were inspired wrote it.

Do some research on Horus - the Egyptian Christ. =)

Actually, I'm not the one that's brainwashed - I don't believe something out of fear. I use my brain, unlike many fundamentalists who refuse to let logic into their life. Sucks for them. I research before I make up my mind; I don't believe something that has been corrupted for centuries.

I refuse to waste my time with this. Believe - it's good to have faith in my opinion, but don't go around people they're going to hell - that's not a very Christian thing =) Peace.

First of all, I never said you were going to Hell and secondly it is Christian like to say that sorta thing, maybe not in those words but were suppose to warn people and help them get saved that's a part of being a Christian. Believing Evolution to be true is brainwashing because it is a Theory not a fact. Actually, I'd like to challenge you at something, I was taught about this scientist called Kent Hovind who believes in Creation and not Evolution. He has a reward going out of about 250,000 I think for whoever can prove to him that Evolution is a fact..if you can prove it he'll give you that much money, thing is no one has ever been able to win any debates on this subject and he has blown many away. Heres the link: http://www.drdino.com/

I do not believe something out of fear but out of evidence, faith and common sense. If you think of Creation it is rather logical and not illogical...Evolution is very illogical, it just doesn't make sense while Creation does. I also study something before I make up my mind, I didn't wake up one day and decide to believe in God, I did some studying on the scrolls and the shroud and all the evidence that is supported in front of me and the fact that the Bible has not yet been proven wrong. If it had, it would be all over the news and everyone would know about it. Word gets around quickly especially if it's something as big as the Bible and God. =]

It is God's Word and the people who wrote them were inspires by God. As for the Egyptian Pharoahs, it doesn't mean that God's word is incorrect, I am sure that the pharoahs existed and they existed before Jesus's first coming, but the world was created 6,000 years ago so they were probably around just a little bit before Jesus came.

As for Horus, very interesting story and it does sound a lot like Jesus's story. I honestly don't know what to say but I am still going to keep my Faith because I am more apt to believe in the story of Jesus rather then the story of Horus even if they do sound the same.

First of all, I didn't say I thought it was a fact - I said scientists think it's fact. It IS a theory, but so is creationism. And for me, evolution makes more sense.

Second of all, I didn't even bother reading the rest of your post, because in case you didn't notice, I said I'm done with this debate. No point in arguing about something like that when neither of us is going to change their mind. That and it's a waste of time for me. See ya!

It's not a Theory, they have never proven the Bible wrong and if they had it would of been all over the news. But they have proved Evolution wrong which is why it's called a Theory. The Bible and God were never called Theories...as I said many times before it hasn't been proven wrong. It's actually more th opposite.

^ Isnt it called a theory because it's a scientific idea created by someone? Just like the theory of gravity, which has been proven TRUE. Just because it has the word "theory" in it doesnt mean its simply just a theory.

I'm guessing since you were never required to take Chemistry or Biology, you never learned about scientific theories?

The Bible wasnt named a "theory" because it has nothing to do with science. Is Scientology a theory? Islam? Or any other religion that you think is false? No. So just because the Bible was never called a "theory" doesnt mean its automatically valid.

the·o·ry [ th əree, three ] (plural the·o·ries) noun

Definition:

1. rules and techniques: the body of rules, ideas, principles, and techniques that applies to a subject, especially when seen as distinct from actual practice
economic theories
Many coaches have a good grasp of the theory of football but can't motivate players.

2. speculation: abstract thought or contemplation

3. idea formed by speculation: an idea of or belief about something arrived at through speculation or conjecture
She believed in the theory that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

4. hypothetical circumstances: a set of circumstances or principles that is hypothetical
That's the theory, but it may not work out in practice.

5. scientific principle to explain phenomena: a set of facts, propositions, or principles analyzed in their relation to one another and used, especially in science, to explain phenomena

How has evolution been proved wrong? With all the fossils they've discovered, as well as all the other stuff Mary Leakey has done to contribute to this "theory?" Seriously. Don't talk shit you don't know. The idea of creationism doesn't disprove evolution in anyway. And for god's sake, stop replying to my posts.

Exactly my point, a theory is an idea which means it's not a fact, therefore evolution is a theory; an idea. A theory doesn't have to be a scientific idea either.

Btw..just because I never took the classes doesn't mean I don't know anything about a certain subject.




First of all, the carbon dating is innaccurate on fossils and other things they've tested. Carbon dating can only go a few thousand years back NOT millions or billions, I've studied it. Yes, the Evolution Theory has been proven wrong several times (do some reading). I never said that the idea of creationism proves evolution wrong. But how does fossils prove evolution correct? It doesn't. First of all, the testing is wrong and second of all they haven't proved evolution true by looking at fossils. "Don't talk shit you don't know"? I suggest you do the same. And no I am not going to stop replying to your post, this is a debate forum, don't want me responding don't respond to mine. It's that simple

Did you not read the definition?!?

"5. scientific principle to explain phenomena: a set of facts, propositions, or principles analyzed in their relation to one another and used, especially in science, to explain phenomena"

According to the definition, it can be either a theory or a scientific fact

How else can one be best educated on such a subject then?

Bye! As I said, I refuse to waste my time with this. Not my fault I get pissed off at stupidity. P.S. That's what creationists always say - "THE TESTING IS WRONG!!!" Of course. What else are you gonna claim? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.

If you prove a scientific theory wrong, it's no longer a valid theory.

Look, once again, you clearly don't know what you are talking about. You seem to think that scientists use the word "theory" in the same way as the common person. Read up on, and understand, what a scientific theory is, and then discuss it.

Oh, and where's this "evidence" that evolutionary theory is completely incorrect?

Yes, I did read the definition and have also looked it up and that's not the only definiton but only one definiton of a Theory. There are many other definitions of words, different words, millions of words.

How can one be educated on a subject even without schooling? Internet (which does have a lot of facts not just made up stuff), books (where do you think your teachers became educated?), articles..ect..I don't need schooling to be educated on something.




As I have said a million times, a THEORY is a theory. It is an idea not a fact. It can also be an idea based on facts but that idea doesn't mean it IS a fact.

Ok, I have the same Question for you, what "evidence" do you have that proves "by scientists" and people who actually studied evolution, to be correct? Do you have an article claiming by the government and scientists a news report saying that Evolution has been proven? What evidence do you have? And don't say fossils because that doesn't prove evolution but only that they existed.

Just because you say something a million times, doesn't make it so. You clearly don't know that a "scientific theory" is. I, on the other hand, do, because I am a science student. And I should note I don't like to throw my experience around willy-nilly, nor use it to make myself seem better than others, but you're ignorance has pushed me to point where I do, unfortunately, have to invoke my personal experience and background. So I'm telling you that you're wrong, and unless you want to continue to sound very, very ignorant, I suggest you actually read up on what a scientific theory is, and how theories are formulated and proven. Suffice it to say that in science, there is nothing more concrete than a scientific theory, and the scientific meaning of the term is different than the colloquial English meaning of the term.


Look, it doesn't matter what I say. I could say, "Hey, let's look at the fossil record," and you'll invariably answer with, "Well, God made the fossils." I could say, "Let's look at carbon dating," and you'll invariably say, "Well, God made carbon dating work the way it does. The world is only 6000 years old but God designed carbon dating so the world looks to be 6 billion years old," or whatever. And, when it comes down to it, I don't feel a need to make you believe what I believe. I'm just tired of reading your ignorant comments over and over again.

^ Same. You continually ask for others to show proof, but you still havent shown us much.

Well, MOST people who never took certain classes, such as Biology or Chemistry in high school or college arent going to be very informed on a subject. I'm not saying a person can't be, but I'm sure a large majority doesnt know as much as someone who has taken such classes.

Why not put some of those books or sources to use and actually back up your opinions with proof? You keep going on and on about what YOU think a theory is, with absolutely no evidence to back it up.

The earth was created 6,000 years ago by GOD. No, I wouldn't say God made the fossils but he did make the dinosaurs which are actually called "Dragons" in the Bible, the dino bones became fossils over time. No, God didn't make the carbon dating work the way it does. But I do know cause I've done some reading up on it that carbon dating can only test on objects that are a few thousand years old not billions and everytime that something is tested it is more than it actually is. For an example, when the shroud was first tested it came out as 5,000 years old but since carbon dating isn't accurate they had to knock off a few and it was found to be about 1,000-3,000 years old which is in the same time frame as Jesus was thought to of lived.

I really don't see myself as being ignorant and no need to "italize" your "scientic" word before student. Just because your a student doesn't mean you know everything there is to know. I may of not been a student in that area but I don't need to be in a class to learn stuff.




What proof have you shown? Not much either, so I wouldn't talk

Haha. You think just because your in the class or that you've taken it you have more knowledge. Hun, this goes the same way with the whole age thing. You can be extremely knowledgable without a class. As I said before..many times...where do you think most of the knowledge comes from? BOOKS! I can do that studying and learning on my own through books which I presented in your classes.

Theory: The word theory has a number of distinct meanings in different fields of knowledge, depending on their methodologies and the context of discussion.

In common usage, people often use the word theory to signify a conjecture, an opinion, or a speculation. In this usage, a theory is not necessarily based on facts; in other words, it is not required to be consistent with true descriptions of reality. True descriptions of reality are more reflectively understood as statements that would be true independently of what people think about them.

Ps: It's rather funny how someone acts like they like you but the second you change your religion they treat you like total crap. I actually started to like you and you may not think so but you have changed a lot...your not so nice anymore and all because I'm a Christian.

How, then, do you rectify the evidence that dragons (or dinosaurs) and humans did not co-exist?


Carbon dating can be used to identify objects that are 58,000-62,000 years old. And yes, it's not entirely accurate, but we're talking maybe +/- 30 years, plus lab error, which will not likely add up to 1000-3000 years of error. However, if you have evidence to support your claim, feel free to link.


I never said I knew everything there is to know about science—I just pointed out that I know what a scientific theory is. And no, you don't need to be in class to learn stuff, but apparently you never learned what a scientific theory is, inside or outside of a classroom.

First of all, yes I know what a Scientific Theory is..it's an idea conjectured by scientists.

What do you mean by co-exist?

Well, my friend has done a lot of studying on carbon dating and said it can only go back about a few thousand years not millions or billions. Heres a link on carbon dating, as the article says carbon dating only dates on stuff that is up to 50,000 years old not millions or billions. Here it is:

http://www.trueauthority.com/cvse/carbon.htm

another...

http://www.worldbydesign.org/research/c14d...gdinosaurs.html

I'm sorry you feel that way, but how am I treating you any different? When we debated awhile back, I actually agreed with your views, before you're opinions changed. Just because you're religious views have changed, doesnt mean I think any less of you. I dont feel like I was any nicer then than I am now... we just had a connection in the sense that our opinions were similar. I dont care what someone's religion is, I'd never treat them any different for it. I have family members that are Baptist, Lutheran, Roman Catholic, Jewish, Agnostic, non - religious, ect ect, but I dont treat them any different for it.

I'm saddened that you'd think that I'm treating you different just because you're a Christian. I'm not trying to be unkind, and I'm definately not trying to attack you with anything... I'm just trying to debate. Isnt that what this is, a debate?

No, you clearly don't know what a scientific theory is. It's not just "an idea conjectured by scientists"; it's an explanation of the world or universe, based on observation, that, when used to make future predictions, results in consistent results.

Yes, you are right this is a debate. I just noticed in a lot of your debates against me you came off a little rude or disrespectful but if your not trying to be it's okay I understand. I just don't want someone switching around and thinking something negative just because my beliefs are different then theirs.

I do have a Question though. Were you ever a Christian? I was looking at your post saying how some of your family members were baptist and stuff..so I was kinda curious. Most of my family members all believe in God but they aren't Christians.




It's a guess of how they THINK the world works, true an explanation but based on guess's not facts. Hence the word: Theory as I stated before. Yes, future predictions which is another guess not a fact. That is what a theory is really, it's a guess.

Look, just take a moment to read what I wrote. A theory is how scientists think the world works, yes, but it's not just developed when a scientists says, "Hm, I think gravity works like this" or "Hey, animals must evolve from earlier animals!" It's an explanation based not on guesses but facts derived from observation. And by future predictions, I mean that a theory can be used to make a prediction, and then that the prediction can be analyzed once it occurs.

So no, there's no "hence the word: theory". You don't know what a theory is. You have no conception of science. That's simply ignorance, which can thankfully be rectified by learning, as long as you're willing to, um, actually learn.