Dogs don't love. They try to please their master no matter what. A dog's memory is too short for a dog to love. When a dog does something, it remembers up until it does something else.

So, lets say you discipline a dog for biting some one after they have bitten the person. The dog doesn't know why you're punishing it so it won't work. You have to get him in the act of doing it.

And it's not unrequited. Unrequited mean that one person loves another person but it's not the same the other way.

Incorrect, dogs DO love and so do cats.



Well, the examples you brought up are from movies and movies are made up but I do believe you. Everyone including animals are incapable of loving. My cat loves on me all the time..licks my face, nudges my face...ect..

Both, God is the king of Kings, he came first, therefore they both came first.
Kings did use that form of plural wording because Kings wanted all to know they were powerful, so they probably looked at Genesis and saw how the Almighty king spoke, and wanted to speak like him. That is not a far off probability.

symbolism can be used in many different ways, God chose to use it by using the words "us" and "our". Like i said, God thinks on a higher level then we do, therefore how he speaks is differently then we may speak, you have to think of it in heavenly terms, not earthly terms.

First God didnt say "And God said", that is an anouncement by the author to show us who said what. Thats a given, commone sense.

Second, you are only describing the second part of that verse as you have been before, and your only describing it that way because you believe in the trinity, so therefore i could just repeat the same thing ive been saying, that its plural wording, but do we really need to repeat ourselves? I dont think we should have to.

We would be in God's likeness still because God didnt make us to look like him, he made us to be reflections of his glory, you might want to study up on why the bible says he made us in his likeness, it in no way means physical likeness, God is a spirit, not a man or a women. He came to earth as Jesus because he needed flesh, Blood to die on the cross.

Yes, hes saying we have dominion over the things of the air and earth. We were given responsibility over the earth. Thats why the earth is falling apart, because it was our responsibility to take care of it, and we didnt, we are destroying it because most are not following Gods will.

And just to add something about evolution, there are two types of evolution, macro and micro, macro, i believe describes that we started out as a simple organism or species, and we evolved all the way up to humans, that evolution is wrong. Micro, i believe, describes that cats evolved from cats, dogs from dogs, apes from apes, humans from humans, and so on. We as humans look differently then we did 6,000 years ago, therefore we have evolved physically. But it is impossible to form into a different species. Cross breeding with some animals is possible, but if we as humans tried to mate with a monkey, we're not gonna have a half ape, half human baby, lol.

Maybe ill add that to the evolution debate. :o)

But as for the trinity, that will be argued about till Jesus comes back. You will bring out the scriptures that are clear to you as proof for the trinity, and i will bring out scriptures that prove against the trinity. So we really will be in a viscious circle. I prayed about this and still, Jesus revealed to me that he is one and does not need more than one of himself to do his will, he is more powerful than that. And i will never underestimate his power or his oneness.

My cat used to love my shoes. Always loving on my shoes. Actually, she was pretty much loving on everything that was on the floor. Maybe too much loving.
But yes, dogs can love. I dont know about cats, but dogs are very emotional and they can love. And its humans that dogs love, not gods. If anything, dogs are smarter than us. They dont fill their lives with immense devotion to a fictional character telling us not to lie. They live in the here and the now.

I say anything that has a beating heart is capable of loving, including humans and all animals. Yes, I know, animals don't necessarily love Gods but truly we do not know that, we do not understand cats or dogs langauage or thought process. It would be cool if we did though. But yeah I get what your saying.




True, I mean how can a King go off of someone else's term yet God created everything, it doesn't make sense seriously. Jake, no offence, in no way am I being rude but to me it sounds like we have proven you wrong because every one of your responses now really do not defend yourself or make sense. It's like your trying to protect your beliefs on the Trinity by saying "random" stuff that really doesn't prove anything. As I said again, this is not to mean rude, it's just my thoughts and opinions.

Firstly, to Jessica about the Trinity. You're right. We'll never know. It's a mystery. Incomprehensible. I believe He is one being too. Like I said, we are apart of a mono theistic faith. So, that must tell us that we follow one God. But there is some unique attribute to Him that makes Him Triune in a sense. Maybe not three different beings, but personalities.

And about that part in the verse of Gen. 1:26...And God said. Firstly, the author wrote it, yes. Secondly, he was beginning a quote. And God said... well, God said something, so I was just breaking it down.

Secondly, when you talk about cats evolve from cats and dogs from dogs, are you talking about new variations of a cat, or dogs? Because if that's so, that's not evolution. That's just variation within a kind. You can take two of any type of cat and breed them. They will come up with a new variation of cat, but that's not evolution.

As for us not looking like we did 6000 years ago...How do you know? We were probably taller and healthier, but how is that evolution. I fail to see your logic. If you believe the Bible, you contradict yourself when you say you believe in evolution. The Bible makes no references about it, so why do you believe in it? DOn't tell me that you can see it around you, because you can't. It's impossible. It's not an observable pseudo-science.

And I don't think that cats and dogs can love. I think their actions towards their offspring and masters are purely instinctual. THink about it. Would a wolf love the alpha male? That's basically what we are to our pets. We are their leader. They do as we tell them.

Here's another example that will make this a little clearer. Dogs don't have the thinking capacity that humans do. They think around two words at once. So, if you throw a ball the most likely outcome of thought process for a dog would be...'Get ball, get ball, get ball.'

They think along the lines of an infant. Are infants capable of love? No. Not at all. They don't even understand the word, let alone most of their parents language. Their brains haven't developed enough to understand pretty much anything besides how a dog thinks. Want food. want food. I poop. I poop. Haha. That's the basic though process of infants and dogs.

So, a dog can't love. It might show affection...because it's selfish. It wants you to pet it and play with it.

That's all. They don't have enough gray matter to understand as well as we do.

Firstly, that's what Jessica is basically saying. But she is also trying to explain that you can't believe in the Trinity because the Trinity believes that God is three persons not three characteristics or personalities, so basically what your claiming you believe in isn't the Trinity but what you should believe God to be. I do believe God has 3 different personalities but they are all him and they all make up him, just like I explained about "humans" you are not 3 different persons but you do have personalities that make you, you.

As Jess stated there is more than one type of Evolution and cats coming from cats and dogs from dogs is a type of Evolution because they are evolving into new things. We have all evolved in some way or another. One of the Evolutions talks of the creation of planets which is what we don't believe in. But not too long ago my boyfriend pointed out that they found a new dino fossil that proves that evolution did exist because they had found a dino that was like a rapture but had feathers, don't worry it isn't just talk, I found the picture online...it's weird looking lol...but yeah, so evolution in the sense that were talking does exist. The fossil proves it. If you want a website, I will try to find you one to show you!

How do we know how we looked 6,000 or so years ago...history. We have pictures showing how we looked LONG ago..theres been studies. In consists of height and other things. But I also believe our thinking process and brain capacity has also improved over time. If you mean evolution in the creation of the planet of course you don't see that but other evolution you do...as I stated before recently like yesterday on the news that had found a new species of leopard...thats evolving ;)

Animals ARE capable of loving. I actually watched a video on this, a mother cat was taking care of her young kittens but she also started taking care of baby squirrels so you can't say animals aren't capable of love. As for wolfes, they are capable of love also, they love there babies don't they? Nurture them and so on. If they didn't..do you honestly think they'd be taking care of them instead of just letting them defend themselves from the time they were born...no. As for humans..it's called protection. I don't think a wild animal is going to attack you unless they are: 1. defending there young, 2. hungry and think your food or 3. thinking your a threat to them. I had a cougar, yes a cougar in the mountains run right past me without stopping.

How do you know what dogs think?

Babies are capable of love, love is born into you, it's kinda like common sense in a way. They might not be able to understand it or know how to say it but that doesn't mean they aren't capable.

Listen, I believe in the Trinity. I just think it's such a unique concept that it's impossible to explain as humans. What I believe might not be exactly what comes out on the computer. But I do believe that God is triune in His being.

I read an article on that leopard. Interesting stuff. Well, this is what they had to say.

Until now it had been thought they belonged to the species that is found on mainland southeast Asia.

Scientists now believe the two species diverged more than one million years ago, and have evolved separately since.

So, according to that, you would have to believe that the Biblical account of how the world was created is wrong. If you trace back to all the genealogies of people in the Bible, it comes out to roughly five to six thousand years. So, if you believe this leopard is one million years old as scientists claim, don't bother believing in the Bible anymore.

As for how we looked six thousand years ago...I think that was around the time of the creation of the earth, so I don't know how I feel about that. I haven't done enough research to give a conclusive answer. But I don't feel that our thinking capacity has changed at all.

First of all the environment was different. Air was denser and things grew larger. How do you think we got the dinosaurs? They are just over sized lizards. Lizards never stop growing until they die. So, it makes sense that we have enormous lizards due to the green house effect mentioned some what in the Bible. You can see the dinosaurs in the book of Job. They are called Laviathan and Bohemoth. I don't know about that spelling though.

So, knowing that...man must have been significantly larger too. With larger size comes a larger brain. I don't think it's that they had less thinking capacity as us, it's just they didn't know as much as we do now. I mean, going by what you're saying, people a hundred years ago must of been evolutionary steps behind us. But evolution takes more than a hundred years for any change to occur.

And tell me....How can we get positive results from evolution? What are the steps in between...for instance, how do we get from one kind to another kind? I'm interested. Since you believe in it, you should be able to shed a little light on me.

As for love among animals. It's all instinctual. Animals don't go around and say *British accent* 'Well, dear...I think I love you. Shall we make a night of it?' Seriously. Animals have the thought process of eat, sleep, mate, affection, eat, sleep, affection, eat, sleep, mate, affection.

What animals do in appearance of love is selfishness. They want affection, which is not love.

Why would have to stop believing in the Bible because of that leopard thing, explain that to me?

How do we get from one kind to another. Genes, genetics. If one animal has certain genetics in it it can mate with another animal making something a little bit different but as I said I don't believe in the ape theory and I don't believe that a bird can mate with a dog...and so on...

First...The leopard was thought to have split roughly a million years ago. The Bible only teaches that the earth was created about roughly six thousand years ago.

Okay... You should really pay attention in chemistry and biology. The only reason genes change when mating with two variations is because the two mix.

For instance, a bob cat, with brown eyes mates with a mountain lion that has green eyes.

What will the probable outcome be? It has to do with genetics only in the sense of traits. No, new function is coming about when two cats mate. Only the eyes, or fur, or whatever is changing.

They are still 100% cat. That would only be creating a new variation within a kind. A MILLION TIMES I'VE SAID THIS. This isn't evolution.

When genes mutate, which is the only way a new trait can come about, it causes problems. No positive outcomes has come from mutations. It's as simple as that.

Well, first of all, one I'm not in school, I graduated high school in June 2002 and haven't had the chance or money to go back to college stuff like that plus it's not required for certain degrees and is extremely expensive for classes.

Secondly, when I was in high school I was never required to take chemistry or biology so I never took it therefore I can't really pay attention in the class being that I've never had it or even had the option of taking it.

Why don't you reply to the other part of the post instead of telling me your life story?

We're talking about animals not your glory in high school.

Well Jake, Id like you to explain these little things to me. Firstly, the beginning people of the human race as it is said in the bible lived to about 700 years each, yet the earliest human fossils we've found have shown that the earliest humans to science only lived to about 40. Secondly, the bible states that after Cane killed Able, god scarred him so that all others who come upon him will know he is a murderer and he will be an outcast. But if his parents and brother were in fact the only people in existence at the time, who is this scar supposed to warn? Plus in the book of Genesis, it is never actually stated that it was the devil who tempted Adam and Eve, just the serpent. Sure you can translate and insinuate, but there is no real proof that it ever happened so there is no way to prove that it was in fact the devil. I'm sure it says elsewhere in the bible that it was the devil, but again that can be someones misguided interpretation. Thats what the bible is, a big misguided interpretation. What if there was once a segment that just flat out stated that the old testament was not fact, just stories that were concocted to guide us humans through life in a sophisticated manner. But it was interpreted wrong and now we have the story of David and Goliath. There are so many fantastical stories in the old testament, some of them more outlandish than the stories of ancient Greece. Daniel in the Lions Den, Noah and the Ark, Jonah and the Whale, Moses and the Ten Commandments(along with the earliest miracles), Joseph and the robe, these are all great bedtime stories and they do teach us valuable life lessons, but they are no more believeable than the story of Athena spawning from the head of Zeus after he split his head open from a headache. I am waiting for a new religion to appear. Who knows. In 600 years there could the NEW New Testament, with such fantastical stories of giant twin towers falling after an attack by metal birds and a city surrounded by water being swallowed whole and stories of giant waves crashing and killing thousands and stories of Hitler, Mussolini, Saddam, and Oprah. Who will be the savior of that time? They've pretty much proved that Jesus was a mortal man of flesh and blood and schizophrenia without any devine powers, only a talented slight of hand. Maybe in this new age all people will be united, maybe my dreams will come true, or maybe the Mayans had it right and we're all gonna die Dec. 12, 2012, the second ice age. It could very well be coming, the signs are prevalent. Nobody knows what the future will bring, but there are some like myself who are still hoping for a united people who don't put forth an opposing effort on such trivial subjects like religion and politics because they've learned it is pointless, instead live in the present and worry about how to make this life better than fearing repercussions in the next. ugh...I need to learn how to write shorter statements. Well, I'm done.

^ Very well said. Couldnt have said it better.

I think that's exactly what we as a nation, or even as an individual should live by. Except, we should also strive for a better future... without basing things on religion. Because whose to say there are even any reprecussions after we die? Without believing in a specific religion, there isnt a set of rules.. IE, worrying about saving people, ect.

I am not discussing my glory in high school but you told me to pay attention in biology and chemistry, just thought I'd explain to you that I have never taken it and never had the option to take it.



First of all, the serpent is the Devil but in serpent form. He can take many different forms, even human form.

Yes Cain bear a mark, they called it a curse. They weren't the only ones on earth around this time.




Who's to say their aren't?

I would rather live a good life with God in it and have eternal life after I die rather then live a happy life without God in it only to find that I didn't have eternal life but damnation in Hell. The Bible describes Hell as being "suffering"...grinding of teeth all over your body..ect...

Now, this may sound like I'm only a Christian because of fear, but it's not true, yes I do want to go to Heaven and I'd prefer not to have my soul suffer but I'm a Christian out of love also.

But when you think of others saying "Oh, your going to God out of fear of Hell, that's pathetic"...would you seriously want your soul suffering that much in Hell? Believe me, you may think you wont feel it, but you will.

That's what scientists say but look at this: http://www.livescience.com/othernews/ap_05...ion_museum.html

PS: sorry this double posted guys.

I thought id add that we have to be careful when using the word "evolution". Evolve means "to change over time" so yes in a sense, each species individually did evolve over time, which would be called micro evolution. But most people do not understand the differences between the two types of evolution. The problem with it most is that both types of evolution believe that the world is billions of years old, which is complete nonsense. I cant blame anyone who believes that though because it is what we are all taught in school as fact, our biology books tell us that the world is billions of years old, so its hard to jump from believing that to believing that the world is only 6,000 years old like the bible tells us. God showed us how old the earth is by telling us about each generation, how long they lived, etc. He also included jubilees, which are every 50 years i believe. There are many things in the bible that show us how old the earth is. We know by the bible that from Adam and Eve to Jesus dieing on the cross it was 4,000 years. It has been 2,000 years since Jesus died on the cross, therefore the earth is 6,000 years old.

What most people do not understand is why others are going around saying that certain animals date back millions of years ago, and they say the earth is billions of years old. Those people DO NOT believe in God or his word, because if they did they would believe the earth is 6,000 years old. I struggled with this transformation when i first became a Christian, because all my life i had been brainwashed into thinking the World to be billions of years old, because it said that it was in books and by scientists and others. I decided to put my faith in my God Jesus Christ and believe his word to be 100% true, and take it LITERALLY not metaphorically. If we believe in God 100% then we need to believe his word 100%, otherwise we are hypocrites.

There are also many things that we can see on earth today that prove the earth to be no older than 6,000 years old. the oldest tree is 4500 years old, it is petrified, which petrified things can last ages, so why arent there any older petrified trees found? According to how the worlds population has been growing in the recorded 6,000 years, there would be approximatly 250,000 people per square foot if the world were billions of years old, that would be a little too crowded. There is much more evidence out there to disprove evolution, and prove the word of God true. Keep in mind that scientists have not been able to prove the bible wrong, but scientists theorys about evolution have been proven wrong. Sorry to talk so much about evolution in the trinity debate, but i just wanted to clear a few things up. I will no longer use the word evolution when i speak of how species changed overtime, because some people dont have the intelligence to comprehend what exactly i am talking about when i say there are two types of evolution. I dont want anyone to assume that i believe in the evolution theory that says that this world was created with the big bang and then we all evolved from one single organism. Heres a saying i like: The Big Bang Theory: God said it, and BANG it happened :o)

Well, i can definately say that animals show a lot more love then you do

I know very very much about animals, ive studied them all my life in hopes of being a veterinarian. I know and have experienced that animals are capable of love. I have had cats especially all my life, they are very loving animals. When i was high school, i was having a very rough time in life, and i used to cry on my bed, and my cats, all 6 of them, would surround me, and one or two of them would cry at me, and paw at my shoulder and then id face them and they would lick the tears off my face!!! If thats not love, what is? in fact, why dont you tell me what you think Love is, not the websters dictionairy version, but what do you think personally love is? I dont see you expressing love to anyone here, so does that make you a loveless animal? My point is, just because someone or something doesnt seem to be showing you what you think love is, does not mean that that thing or person is without love. There are so many types of love, can we really just define it as one thing and say that all of the animals that our loving God created are incapable of love? NO We dont know an animals thoughts, we can only judge them by thier actions, which is what humans have to do to each other, we have to show love so that others no we love them.

Animals have shown me more love then most humans have. Humans cause heartbreak, humans have evil hearts, the bible says that men love darkness, the men's hearts are evil. I have recieved more love from animals then i have from humans total. My cats were my family when i didnt have a supportive family, my cats were my friends when i didnt have friends, my cats were my comfort and company, when i was so lonely i wanted to die. They stuck by me, and people did not give a damn about me.

I still want to know, what do you think LOVE is? Use your heart to answer that, not your mind or a book, but the heart full of love that God originally gave you.

Im not sure if ill get an immature response, or an ignorant response to this, i might get both, but either way, at least i know what love is, and know that the people of this world could have a hell of a lot more of it.

Very nicely put :]] I enjoyed reading it. You do have a point though. Animals are VERY loving. Me and my boyfriends cat is always wanting love lol.

What about it? It's just talking about a creation museum created by Ken Ham.

I'm just curious, what is the purpose of this post?



haha. That's not love.

Love is long suffering. It's sacrifice. Trust. And more. That's what it says in the Bible at least. Love is long suffering.

I feel that if you love some one enough you would give your life for them in the appropriate time.

I really don't think that animals would do that. THey show affection and nothing more.

If you're going to claim that animals love, at least break it down logically or scientifically. Please.

I posted it because it's a museum devoted to creationism. A museum is a place that has actual findings of things devoted to a particular subject. Actually, have you heard of Dr. Kent Hovind? You should watch some of his videos. He's a Scientist who believes in Creationism and believes that the world is only 6,000 years old. And Jessica brought to my attention that that cat isn't that old, at the most it would be 6,000 years old because the world is that old. Why does she deny the testing? Because the people that tested the cat were evolutionist that are trying to prove a theory correct and she also brought to my attention that carbon dating is inaccurate it is always 2-4 thousand years off or more. And that when they study something they add years to it and say it's really old when in fact it isn't and that she has studied this.

Some animals would give there lives to protect their owners out of love.

I believe the world is only six thousand years old, but when I showed you the comment made about that, I was just making a point. They say the cat is over a million years old, but it contradicts what I view.

Yeah, I found an article by Kent Hovind on Carbon Dating, it was VERY interesting. Heres the article I found:

http://www.drdino.com/articles.php?spec=73

Let me know your views?

I really don't need to read it. I find it to be inaccurate. When people test, they are looking for certain numbers. When they don't find those numbers they throw them out and don't record them.

So, if we are to date by that method, we would need unbiased scientists who record all dates. Date it at least three or four times to get an average date, if the dates do average closely.

It's not innaccurate but accurate. It explains what carbon dating is and why they believe it's not accurate. Actually read it before you assume. How can you say something is innaccurate when you haven't even read it?