"Omg" does not necessarily include God's name in vein, so don't jump on him for that...

Are you serious?

Yes it is.



Actually, yes I am.

You know what, I would rather not debate on that.

I'm just pointing out to a fellow Christian that that term is a use in God's name in a bad way. I am not saying I don't do it but I do regret it afterwards. Anytime you use it in that way or with a curse word it's taking his name in Vain.

^ Yeah, it might be bad for a Christian to say, but what about for someone who isnt a Christian?

Its just like being Hindu and not eating pork. But that doesnt mean a non - Hindu cant eat pork. Okay weird analogy. Sorry.

It's still bad to anyone who takes his name in vain and in the end you will be punished for it. When I said to a fellow Christian what I mean is it's even worse if you claim your Christian and commit deliberate sin.

So I suppose you're basically saying that although you may not know about something, it will still affect you.

Well, no I'm saying if you know something and still deliberately do it it will affect you. I am just making sure another person knows it so they don't repeat it deliberately especially if they are Christian, it can ruin there walk with God.

It's not a contradiction. Did you not read what I put? God cannot contradict Himself.

The Trinity is not a contradiction, but rather incomprehensible.

Your right God can't contradict himself but you got to remember the Trinity isn't biblical as I have said many many many times. I do not mean this in a rude way but it's sad that so many people are taught the trinity is a good thing when it isn't even in the Bible.

The term Trinity is not in the Bible, and we have heard you the first time.

The term Trinity is only used to describe God's attributes. Instead of saying that:

1. There is one God.
2. The Father is God.
3. The Son is God.
4. The Spirit is God.
5. The Father, Son, and Spirit are distinguishable persons in relationship with one another. They are not merely different names for the one God.

That's all the Trinity means.

God is only different in His personhoods not His being. There are three personhoods. The Father, the Son, and the Spirit. They are distinguishable personhoods within one God. It's littered all over the New Testament. I've put over fifty references that prove this.

Now, what you have to determine is...

What defines a personhood? Is it a literal person, or an office? Well, considering we have a Triune God who is one, it could not possible mean that there are three people because that would mean that we would have a Polytheistic faith. Considering Christianity falls under a monotheistic faith, something must tell us that God is one.

We both agree that God is one being. True? What you don't believe is that God holds different offices within the Trinity.

Christianity, all of it, believes we have one God. But a monadic God is a wrong belief. Without the Trinity there would be no love, no covenants, no relationships...just solitude among the many.

Here's why it is wrong:

The trinity is a MANMADE concept. Absolutely NO biblical basis.

It violates the following 3 verses.

Deuteronomy 4:2 (New International Version)

2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 (New International Version)

32 See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.


Proverbs 30:6 (New International Version)

6 Do not add to his words,
or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

So, by the verses I have given you it is saying to not add to his bible (his word) or take things out of it or you'll be punished. By believing the trinity you are adding to his word because the trinity is not biblical.

Ha ha. I'm not adding Trinity to the Bible. Like I said....It's BIBLICAL SHORTHAND! What about that don't you understand?!?!?!?!

You said not too long ago that you believe that God created the world and evolution took over after that creating new species. What about that is correct according to your logic that nothing should be added or taken from the Bible?

And when it states that nothing should be added or taken away, it's talking about chapters and books in whole. For instance, the Catholic Bible has extra books added to it.

And also, the New Internation Version is very unreliable. The King James version is the best because you can study it. Find literal translations in Hebrew and Greek from it, unlike the New Internation Version. I recommend you picking one up, or if you have one, start reading that. It's not that hard to understand.

John 11:41 - Jesus speaks to the Father.
Then they took away the stone [from the place] where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up [his] eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.

Matthew 3:16-17 - The Father, the Son, and the Spirit - all three - appear together, but are clearly distinct from one another.
The Father, the Son, and the Spirit - all three - appear together, but are clearly distinct from one another.

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

So according to Matthew 3:17, if Jesus is God, then who is speaking from Heaven? Clearly not God if God is one person.

Yes, you ARE adding the Trinity to the Bible since it's not in the Bible therefore your adding to God's word. When he said that he didn't just mean "adding books" but "adding" anything in GENERAL. If it's not in the Bible and your adding it, it's adding to his word. I'm sorry you don't believe that, but it's true.

Evolution in the sense I was talking is the creation of species over generations (meaning over time), I don't know if it talks about that type of Evolution in the Bible but we know it's fact because it's all around us and has happend but the Trinity is totally different and you cannot compare the two.

As for the New International version, it is just as reliable as the King James Version, it is easier to understand because it is in our "terms" to help us better understand it. I have both the New International version and the King James version. I guess I'll have to repeat the verses I gave you only using the King James version, as you can see theres not much of a difference:

Deuteronomy 4:2 (King James version):
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 (King James version):
What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Proverbs 30:6 (King James version):
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thu be found a liar.

So, as you can see the verses in both Bibles are VERY clear on what they trying to say.

Now, heres your verses you gave me coming from the King James version:

John 11:41 (King James version):
Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou has heard me.

"He was thanking his spirit for hearing him, afterall he is God in the flesh".

Matthew 3:16-17 (King James version):
The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up. From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

"God can be in 2 or 3 places at once, you cannot Question his powers because they are not of this world. In this verse he is telling HIS creation how to get to Heaven so that all can be saved."

As I have stated to you many times and even have given you verses proving it, Jesus is God, the Bible clearly states this. Let me give you those verses again only this time in the King James version of the Bible. Here ya go:

John 1:1-5 (King James version):
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

(As you can see the verse states that the Word is God and that he created everything. It also states that he was in fact Jesus by saying "In him was life; and the life was the light of men, Jesus was the light, the light is God").

John 1:10-14 (King James version):
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not, He came unto his own and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

(This verse tells us that the Word=God came to the world in the "flesh" as Jesus..meaning Jesus is God.)

Ps: It's VERY easy to understand. Just read both verses CAREFULLY. And the verses you have given me clearly state NOTHING absolutely NOTHING about the Trinity. I looked up the verses myself.

Oh, my God, you really aren't realizing that the term trinity is not substituted for anything in the Bible. It's just a word that theologians use to describe God's attributes. That's it.

I know what you meant earlier about not adding anything. But, did you even bother to read the passages I showed you?

You really are getting on my nerves because this is either completely going over your head, or you're just down right denying it.

Duet. 6:4 - One God
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD:

Rom. 1:7 - The Father is God
To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called [to be] saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Tit. 2:13 - Jesus is God
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

2 Cor. 3:17 - The Holy Spirit is God
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty.

All three are God.

You can't argue with the Bible. There's no where in the Bible that says that God is one being.

I read them quite well obviously since I listed the same verses you did from the King James version. Exactly my point...if it's not in the Bible and your preaching it as being true, your adding to it. If the trinity were in fact God's word, it would be in the Bible but it isn't. The things you listed yes are very true and I do not deny those but those are not the trinity. As I have said a million times...the trinity believes that God is three "persons" which is why it is false because God is one being and has clearly stated that in the Bible you are just not reading it right.

When the Bible describes God do they say "them" no they don't..they say "Him" therefore there is ONLY one being.

It's called denying it because it's not the word of God, you should be denying it too.

Again, you're wrong. I'm sorry, I just found the verse that disproves that the Bible only refers to God in the singular.

Gen 1:26 - And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Now, there's absolutely no way you can interpret that differently, because you said that the Bible is clear in its meaning. This verse alone proves that there is a distinct characteristic to our God. He is not only one being, but three personhoods in one.

True. I'll have to answer that one tomorrow since I have to get up early and need sleep and can't think straight. But read verse 27 in that same chapter.

Gen 1:27.
So God created human beings in his own image.
In the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

It is claiming in that verse that there is one being.

So, then the Bible would have a contradiction. But, as you know the Bible doesn't contradict itself because it is the inspired word of God who is infallible.

How can you ignore what I just told you? The Bible clearly states that God said 'Let us make man in our image.' Seriously, if you're going to deny that, then I'm done. You're just too stubborn to even talk to. I'm giving you Biblical scripture that proves God's triune characteristic and you're just denying it. Biblical evidence, none the less. What kind of Christian does that make you if you're denying the Bible? It makes you inconsistent.

If God didn't feel that it was important it wouldn't be in the Bible.

So, it's just up to you to accept the truth.

2 Cor 13.14: May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. [Notice the source of blessing has 'expanded' to a trinitarian source!]

Rom 1.7 (and 2 Cor 1.2, 1 Cor 1.3, Eph 1.2, Phil 1.2): Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ. (Notice the double source of grace/peace)

Eph 6.23: Peace to the brothers, and love with faith from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. (Notice: dual source)

2 Cor 1.3-4: Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort (Note: single-source, the Father)

Gal 1.3: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. (Notice: dual-source)

The baptismal "formula"--Mt 28.19: Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (Notice: this is an explicit statement of three-in-one: it is ONE 'Name', but THREE agents! This linking of the Son with the divine names of God and Holy Spirit is quite a statement!)

Faithful saying -- Tit 3.4-7: But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a trustworthy saying. (Notice: this saying is VERY trinitarian--with all three agents playing separate roles in the redemptive process--with echoes of John 14-17! Notice also that 'God our Savior' and 'Jesus Christ our Savior' are in this passage together, and that the Holy Spirit is responsible for our renewal.)

Also, as to your argument... Gen. 1:27 is only referring to God in the singular tense. The Bible tends to vary on the plurality and singularity of God. But if it mentions that God a plural being then it must be so. Even if the Bible states that man was created in His image.

I get what your saying and I believe that God is all of those things but all them are part of "him". As I have repeated over & over the Trinity teaches that all 3 are different persons which I do not believe. You are not going to go up to Heaven and see 3 persons on the throne, you will see Jesus and only Jesus. What you believe in IS NOT the trinity if your calling those 3 things Characteristics because the Trinity clearly states 3 PERSONS.

You can bad mouth me all you want, call me stubborn or whatever but in the end you will find out the truth.

This is what I believe:

God is all of those (father, son & holy spirit) but they are NOT persons, God is an entity, he is our father, son is him in the flesh and the holy spirit is his presence.

If you said that when I go up to Heaven all I will see is Jesus. Why wouldn't I see the other two?

First of all... the Trinity is incomprehensibly three personhoods in one God. That's why you see different names all over the Bible. If it was a monad, that wouldn't be so. But considering God's 'multi-personality' is so unique, we have a Trinity.

I'm really not trying to bad mouth you. I'm sorry, I just get excited.

But, we you have evidence for something and some one doesn't believe it, you have to wonder...are you just not believing it because they don't understand, or because they are openly denying it?

I know that if you knew the truth you wouldn't deny it. You don't seem like that kind of person.

So, I agree with you that there is one God. But God can't only be one sided or else we wouldn't have love or relationships, because it would make God inconsistence. His creation would have to sustain Him and that would make Him all less than perfect. So, by having a three sided God who throughout eternity has had a relationship within His three sides it makes creation logical.

Does that make more sense? I believe God is one. But the Trinity is such a mystery that we'll never be able to define it 100 percent correctly.

You are not going to see those because they are not visible to see, they are more like personalities of God. Kinda like me and you we have certain personalities that make us up right? Well so does he, he's the father the creator of all things, Jesus is him in the flesh (but in fact him) and the holy spirit is his presence or spirit/soul. So, why would you see those 2 other things if they are not human but describing a certain part of him? That's why I don't believe in the Trinity, they teach that there are 3 persons that make him and that when you die you will see 3 persons in Heaven which is false. You will only see one Jesus who is in fact God.

No, you see different names all over the Bible because it's describing different parts of "him". the Father is mentioned because he is "our" Father, he created us, The Holy Spirit/Ghost are mentioned because in order to REALLY feel God and to allow him to speak through you you must get the Holy Ghost which is his Spirit. It is not mentioning them as being seperate persons.

I understand your not, I was just tired and getting frustrated because I was trying to explain something to you that was I thought very simple and you weren't understanding me lol.

You see, now don't get me wrong I am not claiming to be a know it all but I do know the Truth and many maybe not on these boards but many other people who are Christian would agree with me on the Trinity and why it's so wrong. If God is 3 different persons, how come most of the time it says: "him" or "he" and not "them"....or when Jesus came down from Heaven...how come not all 3 or at least one of the others come down as persons? Or how come the Bible doesn't specificially talk about them being "persons"?

How is him not having 3 different persons meaning we can't love in relationships? That makes absolutely no sense. We know love cause God is love and since he's all-powerful he can be anywhere he wants to be and be in two or more places at once. God has different Characteristics to him but he isn't 3 different persons as the Trinity teaches. If you look on the internet you will find EVERY site basically say that the Trinity consists of three persons not three Characteristics.

As for the verse you had found last night and this is just a guess but when he said "our" I believe he wasn't talking to 3 persons but himself...the reason he used "our" is because he was talking to his spirit and himself in general and the father which is in him. Because if there are 3 persons I don't think the other verses would say "him" or "he" all over it, it would be "them".

That's the same thing as adding to the Bible. The Bible says nothing about a creation of species over time, or anything close to that... at least in Genesis it doesnt. If it does, I'd love to see a verse.

So you believe the creation of species over time is a fact? Even though its not in the Bible? That IS adding to God's word. So you believe one thing scientists have come up with / discovered, but you dont believe the other half?

EXACTLY. God is one being, but has three personhoods. It's sort of an enigma. You're right about the personalities. Exactly right. That's really what I've been trying to say. Personhoods refers to Him being called Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. That's what the Trinity speaks of.

A man made word [Trinity] refers to exactly that. God's attributes.

Like I've said.

1. God is one being.
2. The Father is God.
3. Jesus is God.
4. The Spirit is God.
5. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are distinguishable persons [Personalities] but all apart of the same being.

If the Bible mentions the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit it must be true to a Christian.

I really can't tell you why God is referenced in the Bible mostly as He or Him, probably because he is one being with three different personhoods.

But, the fact that God mentions to us firstly that He is plural must be true that there is more than one absolute personality than just The Father, or the Son, or the Holy Spirit.

As for God speaking to two different people when referencing Gen. 1:26, I don't think that is right, because if God was speaking to angels, which would probably be the case if that were true, we would not be made in the image of God. We would be made in the image of angels.

There's a distinction between angels and humans. Angels don't have free will and humans do. Angels are singular beings and God is triune in the sense that He possesses three different offices and personhoods [personalities].

That's really what I'm trying to say.

One God...three different personhoods [Personalities]. If it was more than one god, then our religion would be categorized wrongly. Christianity is a monotheistic religion.