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God is the worst murderer yet you love him.
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post Jan 28 2007, 04:08 PM
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Why do people worship this insane psychopath?

Got this list off some random site.

(In order) SAB, Brick Testament/ Number Killed/ Cummulative Total

God drowns everyone on earth (except Noah and his family) Genesis 7:23, BT 30,000,000? 30,000,000
God rains fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah, killing everyone. Gen.19:24, BT 1000? 30,001,000
Lot's wife for looking back Gen.19:26, BT 1 30,001,001
Er who was "wicked in the sight of the Lord" Gen.38:7, BT 1 30,001,002
Onan for spilling his seed Gen.38:10, BT 1 30,001,003
7th Egyptian Plague: Hail Exodus 9:25, BT 30,000? 30,031,003
God kills every Egyptian firstborn child. Ex.12:29-30, BT 500,000? 30,531,003
God drowns Egyptian army Ex.14:28, BT 1000? 30,532,003
God and Moses help Joshua kill the Amalekites Ex.17:13, BT 1000? 30,533,003
For dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf Ex.32:27-28, 35, BT 3000 30,536,003
Aaron's sons for offering strange fire before the Lord Lev.10:1-3, Num.3:4, 26:61, BT 2 30,536,005
A blasphemer Lev.24:10-23, BT 1 30,536,006
God burned to death an unknown number for complaining Numbers 11:1, BT 100? 30,536,106
God sent "a very great plague" for complaining about the food. Num.11:33, BT 10,000? 30,546,106
God killed those who murmured with a plague. Num.14:35-36, BT 100? 30,546,206
A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath Num.15:32-36, BT 1 30,546,207
Korah, Dathan, and Abiram (and their families) Num.16:27, BT 12+ 30,546,219
Burned to death for offering incense Num.16:35, 26:10, BT 250 30,546,469
For complaining Num.16:49, BT 14,700 30,561,169
Massacre of the Aradites Num.21:1-3, BT 3000? 30,564,169
For complaining about the lack of food and water, God sent fiery serpents to bite the people, and many of them died. Num.21:6, BT 100? 30,564,269
God delivers the Bashanites into Moses' hands and Moses kills everyone "until there was none left alive." Num.21:34-35, BT 1000? 30,565,269
For "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab" Num.25:9, BT 24,000 30,589,269
Midianite massacre (32,000 virgins were kept alive) Num.31:1-35, BT 90,000+ 30,679,269
The slaughter of the Anakim, the childen of Esau, and the Horim Deuteronomy 2:21-22 5000? 30,684,269

God hardened the king of Heshbon's heart so that the Israelites could massacre his people. (included several cities) Dt.2:33-34, BT 3000? 30,687,269
God delievered the king of Bashan so that the Israelites could massacre his people. Dt.3:3-6 60,000? 30,747,269
Massacre of Jericho Joshua 6:21, BT 1000? 30,748,269
God tells Joshua to stoned to death Achan (and his family) for taking the accursed thing. Joshua 7:10-12, 24-26, BT 5+ 30,748,274
God tells Joshua to attack Ai and do what he did to Jericho (kill everyone). Joshua 8:1-25, BT 12,000 30,760,274
God slaughters the Amorites and even chases them "along the way" as they try to escape. Joshua 10:10-11, BT 1000? 30,761,274
Joshua kills 5 kings and hangs their dead bodies on trees Joshua 10:24-26, BT 5 30,761,279
Massacre of 7 cities Joshua 10:28-42, BT 7000? 30,768,279
God delivers the Hazorites. Joshua 11:8-12, BT 1000? 30,769,279
Massacre of the Anakim Joshua 11:20-21, BT 1000? 30,770,279
God delivered Canaanites and Perizzites Judges 1:4, BT 10,000 30,780,279
Ehud delivers a message from God: a knife into the king's belly Jg.3:15-22, BT 1 30,780,280
God delivered Moabites Jg.3:28-29, BT 10,000 30,790,280
Massacre of the Canaanites Jg.4:15, BT 1000? 30,791,280
God forces Midianite soldiers to kill each other. Jg.7:2-22, 8:10, BT 120,000 30,911,280
God delivered the Ammonites to Jephthah to slaughter. Jg.11:32-33, BT 1000? 30,912,280
The Spirit of the Lord comes on Samson Jg.14:19, BT 30 30,912,310
The Spirit of the Lord comes mightily on Samson Jg.15:14-15, BT 1000 30,913,310
Samson's God-assisted act of terrorism Jg.16:27-30, BT 3000 30,916,310
"The Lord smote Benjamin" Jg.20:35-37, BT 25,100 30,941,410
More Benjamites Jg.20:44-46 25,000 30,966,410
For looking into the ark of the Lord 1 Sam.6:19, BT 50,070 31,016,480
God delivered Philistines 1 Sam.14:12, BT 20 31,016,500
God forces the Philistine soldiers to kill each other. 1 Sam.14:20, BT 1000? 31,017,500
God orders Saul to kill every Amalekite man, women, and child. 1 Sam.15:2-3, BT 1000? 31,018,500
Samuel (at God's command) hacks Agag to death 1 Sam.15:32-33, BT 1 31,018,501
God delivers the Philistines. 1 Sam.23:2-5 1000? 31,019,501
"The Lord smote Nabal." 1 Sam.25:38 1 31,019,502
God delivers the Philistines to David (again). 2 Sam.5:19, 25 1000? 31,020,502
Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling 2 Sam.6:6-7, 1 Chr.13:9-10 1 31,020,503
David and Bathsheba's baby boy 2 Samuel 12:14-18 1 31,020,504
God sent a three-year famine because of something Saul did. 2 Sam.21:1 5000? 31,025,504
Seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord 2 Sam.21:6-9 7 31,025,511
From plague as punishment for David's census (men only; probably 200,000 if including women and children) 2 Sam.24:13, 1 Chr.21:7 70,000+ 31,095,511
A prophet for believing another prophet's lie 1 Kg.13:1-24 1 31,095,512
Baasha killed everyone in the house of Jeroboam "according to the saying of the Lord." 1 Kings 15:29 1000? 31,096,512
Zimri killed everyone in the house of Baasha "according to the word of the Lord." 1 Kg.16:11-12 1000? 31,097,512
God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites' hands 1 Kg.20:28-29 100,000 31,197,512
God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers 1 Kg.20:30 27,000 31,224,512
God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet 1 Kg.20:35-36 1 31,224,513
Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god. 2 Kings 1:2-4, 17, 2 Chr.22:7-9 1 31,224,514
Burned to death by God 2 Kg.1:9-12 102 31,224,616
God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha's bald head 2 Kg.2:23-24 42 31,224,658
Trampled to death for disbelieving Elijah 2 Kg.7:17-20 1 31,224,659
God calls for a seven year famine. 2 Kg.8:1 10,000? 31,234,659
Jezebel 2 Kg.9:33-37 1 31,234,660
God sent lions to kill "some" foreigners 2 Kg.17:25-26 3+ 31,234,663
Sleeping Assyrian soldiers 2 Kg.19:35, 2 Chr.32:21, Is.37:36 185,000 31,419,663
Saul 1 Chronicles 10:14 1 31,419,664
God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah 2 Chronicles 13:15-17 500,000 31,919,664
Jeroboam 2 Chr.13:20 1 31,919,665
"The Lord smote the Ethiopians." 2 Chr.14:9-14 1,000,000 32,919,665
God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out 2 Chr.21:14-19 1 32,919,666
God delivered the Israelites into the hand of the Chaldeans. 2 Chr.36:16-17 1000? 32,920,666
Ezekiel's wife Ezekiel 24:15-18 1 32,920,667
Ananias and Sapphira Acts 5:1-10 2 32,920,669
Herod Acts 12:23, BT 1 32,920,670



Satan just killed 10 people lol.
God killed Millions of men, women, and children.

Crazy world we live in where most people worship sick things like god.
 
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RCKstarh
post Feb 9 2007, 11:00 PM
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um i could have sworn he brought everyone in this world and by taking the evil out doesnt that benefit the innocent?
 
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QUOTE(carnelliz2sexy @ Feb 9 2007, 11:00 PM) *
um i could have sworn he brought everyone in this world and by taking the evil out doesnt that benefit the innocent?


I think I have misunderstood you, but what the HELL!!!!! LOL

You have to understand that by taking the evil out of the world it would turn us into robots. No-one would be able to make choices, because they would always be right. Every choice would be the right choice because you wouldn't be able to do anything wrong.

Being able to love someone would be impossible. Every choice you would make wouldn't mean anything to anyone because everyone and everything would be right and perfect anyways.

By allowing people to make choices God gave us one of the greatest gifts of all, the ability to love, and when Jesus died on the cross for those who love him it was an even greater gift because it allowed room for error without eternal damnation. He would pay for the sins that we cannot help but commit because we are imperfect.
 
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post Feb 9 2007, 11:31 PM
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In my mind I think that God dose not wan't us to live.
He want's to come back home to him. So by dieing you will be set free again to walk side by side next to him. :-)
 
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QUOTE(oX_Muh_Nirvana_Xo @ Feb 9 2007, 11:31 PM) *
In my mind I think that God dose not wan't us to live.
He want's to come back home to him. So by dieing you will be set free again to walk side by side next to him. :-)


Well, I don't know... no everyone is going to walk beside him... I guess I'm sure he's happy when people get up there. I think that God wants us to prove ourselves... I don't know for sure, but the more you talk about it the more you learn so... ;]
 
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You guys are both douches. Get back to debating.
 
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post Feb 10 2007, 02:11 AM
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QUOTE(Uronacid @ Feb 9 2007, 8:19 PM) *
I think I have misunderstood you, but what the HELL!!!!! LOL

You have to understand that by taking the evil out of the world it would turn us into robots. No-one would be able to make choices, because they would always be right. Every choice would be the right choice because you wouldn't be able to do anything wrong.

Being able to love someone would be impossible. Every choice you would make wouldn't mean anything to anyone because everyone and everything would be right and perfect anyways.

By allowing people to make choices God gave us one of the greatest gifts of all, the ability to love, and when Jesus died on the cross for those who love him it was an even greater gift because it allowed room for error without eternal damnation. He would pay for the sins that we cannot help but commit because we are imperfect.


VERY true, I agree with you 100% on that =]
 
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post Feb 10 2007, 02:47 PM
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We shouldn't just die..
 
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post Feb 10 2007, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE(Uronacid @ Feb 9 2007, 11:37 PM) *
Well, I don't know... no everyone is going to walk beside him... I guess I'm sure he's happy when people get up there. I think that God wants us to prove ourselves... I don't know for sure, but the more you talk about it the more you learn so... ;]


How can you prove yourself to an omniscient being?
If he knows everything, why do we have to spend time in the waiting room before he diagnoses us as "good" or "evil": Heaven or Hell.
 
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post Feb 10 2007, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE(Acid Bath Slayer @ Feb 10 2007, 11:52 AM) *
How can you prove yourself to an omniscient being?
If he knows everything, why do we have to spend time in the waiting room before he diagnoses us as "good" or "evil": Heaven or Hell.


Good question. God is suppose to be "all knowing". I really do not know how to answer this but I guess it isn't really proving ourself but I do believe we are going to have a meeting with God on judgement day to determine where were heading. I believe he's going to ask us questions. I don't really see that as proving yourself though. Since he already knows if were going to fail or not except we do not know if were failing which is the reason for the meeting. That's what I believe =] I also believe judgement day will also be our last day to except him before we do go wherever, most Christians don't believe in that but I do.
 
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QUOTE(Heath21 @ Feb 10 2007, 2:24 PM) *
I believe he's going to ask us questions.


Alex Trebek ≠ God

QUOTE(Heath21 @ Feb 10 2007, 2:24 PM) *
That's what I believe =]


And, why exactly do you believe that?
Especially given the apparent contradiction in a questioning omniscience.
 
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Then he's obviously not a murderer. Someone can't be something if they don't exist. That comes with the territory of "being". Though, I'm pretty sure a pretense to the original argument would be assuming he exists, even if you don't believe he does, for the sake of the argument.
 
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QUOTE(Acid Bath Slayer @ Feb 10 2007, 12:30 PM) *
Alex Trebek ≠ God
And, why exactly do you believe that?
Especially given the apparent contradiction in a questioning omniscience.


Because I believe all things are possible and I never said I believed in the God that Christians perseve him to be. Yes, of course theres contradictions such as the Bible for instance but I believe those were handwritten by "people" not of God, I do not believe God himself is contradicting and I don't think your going to know God by reading the Bible because of the contradictions. I believe the only way of actually knowing God is meetting him face to face. Don't get me wrong, I do not follow a religion at all..I choose not to be labeled but I do believe in a God and I do read the Bible because I do believe it to be quite accurate in a lot of areas such as: don't steal, don't lie ect...in my opinion those are things that I was brought up not to do so the Bible does have good points. I also read it for the history, I love history and I read it because if it is true then well I learned something of "my" God.
 
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Obviously some of the things said in the Bible are good guidelines to life, but that's all they are. I don't think anyone would say that every word in the Bible should be disregarded. Either way, the things you mentioned can't be accurate or inaccurate, so the fact that there are contradictions, lies, and fallacies in the Bible still stands. When it was made, it was a good way to create order in a place in which there was disorganization, but it's not exactly needed anymore. And, when have you met God? Did you go to a party?
 
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post Feb 10 2007, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(disco infiltrator @ Feb 10 2007, 12:57 PM) *
Obviously some of the things said in the Bible are good guidelines to life, but that's all they are. I don't think anyone would say that every word in the Bible should be disregarded. Either way, the things you mentioned can't be accurate or inaccurate, so the fact that there are contradictions, lies, and fallacies in the Bible still stands. When it was made, it was a good way to create order in a place in which there was disorganization, but it's not exactly needed anymore. And, when have you met God? Did you go to a party?


Your misunderstanding what I'm saying. I never said that I met God and I don't claim I know him and I never said the things I said were accurate or inaccurate so your right. Like I said it's based on Faith.

There is contradictions in the Bible because I have read them myself and looked them up.

If this wasn't towards me, please accuse me, cause I felt it was so sorry =]
 
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Well, when you said, "the only way of knowing God is meeting him face to face", one would assume that this is how you came to know God. And you did say that they were accurate...that's the exact word you used..."I do read the Bible because I do believe it to be quite accurate in a lot of areas such as: don't steal, don't lie ect..", yes? Guidelines cannot have accuracy as a characteristic; it's advice.
 
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QUOTE(disco infiltrator @ Feb 10 2007, 1:07 PM) *
Well, when you said, "the only way of knowing God is meeting him face to face", one would assume that this is how you came to know God. And you did say that they were accurate...that's the exact word you used..."I do read the Bible because I do believe it to be quite accurate in a lot of areas such as: don't steal, don't lie ect..", yes? Guidelines cannot have accuracy as a characteristic; it's advice.


Well, true, the only way of knowing God is meeting him face to face since we are not totally sure the Bible is in fact "facts". No because I did not claim I knew him. I was brought up to believe A god exists and I do believe that but only by Faith and assumption.

I said those were accurate because I was brought up to not do those things. And it is accurate on the fact that we shouldn't do those things.
 
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1. You're not understanding my point. Opinions and advice cannot have the quality of being either accurate or inaccurate. They're just suggestions. They may be good or bad suggestions, but not correct or wrong.
2. Putting the word "quite" in front of a word does not make it mean "not fully", it means "pretty much" or "very". Saying "quite accurate" would mean "terribly accurate" or "so accurate that it has been proven many times and it would be blasphemous for anyone to not agree". Either way, something cannot be more or less accurate. It either is or it isn't.
 
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QUOTE(disco infiltrator @ Feb 10 2007, 1:15 PM) *
1. You're not understanding my point. Opinions and advice cannot have the quality of being either accurate or inaccurate. They're just suggestions. They may be good or bad suggestions, but not correct or wrong.
2. Putting the word "quite" in front of a word does not make it mean "not fully", it means "pretty much" or "very". Saying "quite accurate" would mean "terribly accurate" or "so accurate that it has been proven many times and it would be blasphemous for anyone to not agree". Either way, something cannot be more or less accurate. It either is or it isn't.


Well sorry for wording it wrong, I still think it's right though because these things we are normally taught has young kids not to do because in the end it will turn out bad. Your saying it doesn't tell it's right or wrong based on "accuracy"...but thing is the outcome does show you it is wrong. It is merely my opinion I believe it is accurate in those areas because we have already been taught not to do those things.
 
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QUOTE(Heath21 @ Feb 10 2007, 5:09 PM) *
Well, true, the only way of knowing God is meeting him face to face since we are not totally sure the Bible is in fact "facts". No because I did not claim I knew him. I was brought up to believe A god exists and I do believe that but only by Faith and assumption.

I said those were accurate because I was brought up to not do those things. And it is accurate on the fact that we shouldn't do those things.

Well,that's really dumb. It's like a long-distance relationship. You've never met them. But they're a real person,right? Read a biography book. It's not someone who's not right next door to you. You don't have to see to believe, God sends the Holy Spirit down to take His place in the world. I don't know how it's so hard to believe something so real >:P
Next,don't assume things to believe. Believing God means confessing your true sins,loving others,love your enemies,and so much more.
 
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Well,that's really dumb. It's like a long-distance relationship. You've never met them. But they're a real person,right? Read a biography book. It's not someone who's not right next door to you. You don't have to see to believe, God sends the Holy Spirit down to take His place in the world. I don't know how it's so hard to believe something so real >:P
Next,don't assume things to believe. Believing God means confessing your true sins,loving others,love your enemies,and so much more.


I have read a biography book thank you very much and no God isn't like a long distance person because you can actually speak to that person through the phone with God you can't see him, you cant touch him, you can't hear his voice...ect..

My opinion is not dumb and either is yours and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't disrespect me by saying my point is dumb.

I can see a lot of stuff you've said as being dumb but I am not going to throw that in your face.
 
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Are you sure you can't hear his voice? Are you sure he's not answering your prayers? Are you sure that it's not you who is not listening, rather than God not talking back?
 
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Are you sure you can't hear his voice? Are you sure he's not answering your prayers? Are you sure that it's not you who is not listening, rather than God not talking back?


I am positive 100% that you CANNOT hear God's voice. I believe that he gives you the feeling of what is right and whats wrong, and gives you certain ideas that pop up in your head...but I do not think anyone can "actually" hear his voice. Oh I'm listening. And I never said he didn't answer my prayers, a lot of the time he doesn't but sometimes my prayers do get answered.
 
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Just because the answer isn't the one you wanted doesn't mean He didn't answer it.
 
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Just because the answer isn't the one you wanted doesn't mean He didn't answer it.


I know that wink.gif
 
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How can you prove yourself to an omniscient being?
If he knows everything, why do we have to spend time in the waiting room before he diagnoses us as "good" or "evil": Heaven or Hell.


Do you think that God has the ability to choose between knowing somethings and not knowing others? I believe God can choose to know anything he wants to know, but may or may not decide to.
 

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