And where exactly do you think people's opinions on what constitutes rights and wrongs, come from? Surely you can't suggest people are born with an innate ability to differentiate? If this were true, why do children require parents to teach it is wrong to steal? To hit another kid in the playground? People are not born naturally resourceful; they do not find within themselves the governance of morals; that is influenced by the environment so media does play a role in the definition of one's morals/decisions.

Well its all parents fault, if parents are not there kids are taught by the media. But is it really fair to blame only rap music shows your point of veiw towards its listeners huh?I listen to rap but too bad for you im too smart to be sucked into the messages it throws at me. I may dress a little urban but im succeding in life. Can i really blame "50 cent" for everything i do wrong in life? Seems like the people that say that really need some proffesional help. Cant you not blame paris hilton for influencing all the young white girls to party away thier lives? Sure you can but its not her fault. If parents are not around media raises the child its true that the media affects them but schooling is also a key factor, but if ur coming from a good home and you are going out doing stupid things then i guess you are just rebellious? But to only pick out one particular factor in explaining a persons situation in life is a little bias.

There is this documentary of homeless people of how they refuse to get a job because they know that people would be there to give them food and clothe them, why would anyone ask anything more free food and clothing no work?AWESOME!!!! sometimes its our fault too but ofcourse theres the mother of 6 trying to work hard that really needs the help but then theres the guy that leeches off everyone else cuz he can. How many of you got a job on your own w/o your parents forcing you to get one(well whos parents want them NOT to focus on schoolwork lol like mine)?

I just don't believe this stuff promotes violence. Maybe other kids on the play ground yes but were talking about music and movies..things that are NOT real. Plus, you say what do I think promotes it? Some people just have sick minds...not sure if you heard of this or not..but did you hear about the columbine shooting? I don't think that person was forced to do all that killing just because of a stupid video game. People have there own minds and think for themselves..it's like your saying - "Oh, I became a sex offender because my father was one"...NO...you can't use that as an excuse, you are your own person.



I agree. I believe it is the parents but I also believe that you can think for yourself and most of the stuff in life is not really about learning but common sense.

Tru dat homie. Hhaa. It's our own personal faults. Like you said, you can't blame your environment. That's how I feel. Like I said, you're not in one environment for 100% of your life, in this case at least. So, how can that make you be that certain way? It can't. It's the individuals choice. There are definitely influences, but you can't blame it on that cause those few that over come are an example, and if they can do it, then the rest don't have to fail. Right?

It's just annoying sometimes when I see people just throw their lives away because they think that they can't succeed because of their skin color. Their genes are no different. It's just the color of your skin.

Yes, parents play a big role in guiding a child down the 'right'/'successful' path but like black_heart said, it's also unfair to pin the blame on any one factor. Heath21, you may not believe media promotes violence but you can't really say it is completely devoid of blame in perpetuating it. At the end of the day, it does come to individual choice but choice subject to a number of different external influences.

Okay, again, I will repeat myself. I did not mean to convey that all gang violence and drug use is the direct fault of Rap music. But it's true that this does play a major factor and you're an idiot if you think otherwise because it's not a point of view, but a fact. There are barely any rap songs nowadays that do not say nigger gratuitously and constantly talk about smoking weed, doing drugs and f**kin bitches then throwin them away. And again, I will repeat that it's not always rap music because rock music does the same thing, though not to the wide mass of audience that rap music influences. I was merely replying to Jake's comment about an observation of my neighborhood.
Sure you can blame the parent's. Parent's these days days range from age 12 on. If you think I'm exaggerating or talking from things I've heard or seen on tv, I live in Albany, NY in a neighborhood overrun with gangsters, crackheads, homeless people, and welfare babies. I work in a mall at a job where I have to talk to people constantly and I observe the way these people act in public, how they dress and talk and think. I refrain from asking gangster guys who wear baggy clothes that have Al Pacino's Scarface image and have more gold on them than Fort Knox with a semi-skinny little white girl wearing tight pants with the belly fat rolling over them holding a baby that won't stop crying or watching as their hellspawn runs rampant and undisciplined because these type of people never have anything to say and actually become aggrivated because I'm asking them to think about something. And all I do is show f**kin movie previews? But back to the parents being at fault. If the parents are like these people who couldn't care less what their child is doing and wear their child's criminal record as a badge of pride around the neighborhood, than yes, these people are at fault. This is also why I believe abortion should be legal and mandatory in some cases. But parents who take a general interest in what their children do cannot be blamed all the time for not controlling what their child is introduced to. Like it or not everything we take in, be it a visual or audible medium, influences us in some way. The music I was talking about can be heard anywhere on most radio stations. You cannot always control what someone listens to. A twelve year old girl hears a pussycat dolls song talking about how some guy she's with won't f**k her though she's trying very hard and is influenced by it. And BET is nothing but a softcore porn channel. You can put child locks on your television, but these images are still available on many entertainment magazines in the Supermarket. Whatever, I tend to write a lot in general but this idea that the parent's are always at fault is ridiculous and stupid. Who among us didnt hide some of the things we watched and did from our parents. I remeber I rented the South Park movie and watched it about ten times and my mom never knew a thing because I knew how to hide it. But I don't blame her for not knowing, and I'm not gonna say that the idea just popped in my head. I was influenced by television which was saying that it was a hilarious joyride of a movie and by friends who had seen it and talked about it constantly. I was directly influenced by media and society, if not for one of them I probably wouldn't have watched it to begin with. I probably wouldn't have cared.
Allright, I've written enough. My point is that the parents are not always at fault, though there are many instances where the parent is directly at fault. People are influenced by society and the media and choose to live this way. People could become better if they wanted to, but it is so much easier to live as a degenerate than as a normal, contributing member of society. Black people, White people, Asian, Spanish, and Indian people, I call for you to unite and dispose of these miscreants in the only way they deserve...

ELIMINATE THEM

Well, I believe that's what people say to accuse something of there actions. People know right from wrong and they can control there actions. A video game or horror movie doesn't control that.

If you cant blame the parents then you cant blame the media....

I'm still not understanding where you think common sense comes from then, if you don't think it's taught/imparted/influenced. If a kid is born into a society where common sense is to walk around naked, then who's to say he's wrong? Do you get what I'm saying when I say common sense isn't innate but influenced by the society occupied?

I understand but I still don't believe that tv or video games or whatever media is the cause for there actions. If anyone is to blame it's the parents for teaching them wrong, not teaching them at all or allowing them to go into the wrong things.

It's not what you say but how you say it. A lot of the points you brought are things that I've been rambling about for years.

Viacomm perpetuates negative stereotypes through their media outlets (BET, MTV, VH1, recently, Comedy Central, etc).

Parents need to raise their children instead of doing a shitty job ob being half-assed providers.

Personal respsonsibility. Hiphop isn't all about what you see on TV and hear on the radio. However, thats what sells. Record companies exploit that and sell it to the ignorant masses. Just take Common's 'Be' versus Mikes Jones' 'Who Is Mike Jones?' It makes no sense why Common's album is placed on the backburner and ignored.

Whatever the case, we're beating a dead horse because people are stuck in their own misconceived ignorance. It would take a genocide to change things as quickly as they should.

*ponders going to the armory

i agree with brandon =D.

white trash is just as offensive as saying nigger or chink.

The problem with that is saying that you dont believe it to be 'The' cause... well, no. but it may be 'A' cause. There is more than one factor for everything, and while people may not watch The Matrix aor whatever and think 'imm go shoot some people now,' it may affect them subconciously. I refer you to the Jamie Bulger case.

Why? Why are any words deemed offensive? They're just words. Sticks and stones...you know the rest. If we're to ever rid ourselves of rascism, we have to stop being so f**kin sensitive to simple ignorant words. And what is deemed allowance to the seperate races? Here's my view and please correct me if I'm wrong:

Chinese and Indian - Cannot say anything, not even Towelhead or Chink

Caucasian - Are only allowed to say Honky, though I don't think white people are really disturbed by that word. Change it to slave owner or Aryans and you might get somewhere.

Spanish - Seeing as how there are two main types of Spanish people, I'll change this into subgroups.
Mexicans - Are allowed to say Spic to eachother, no one else. Thay also hate Puerto Ricans.
Puerto Ricans - Cannot say Spic, but for some reason can say Nigga. They also hate Mexicans.

African American - Can say anything under the sun without it being socially unacceptable. Can say Nigga, Honky, Chink, Towelhead, Spic, and anything else they can think of.

Michael Richards as some of you may know apparently "flipped out" on stage when he started saying nigger repeatedly. Now of course he was wrong in doing this. But then a man named Paul Mooney went on CNN and began to say how Michael Richards should be locked up and how it had offended him so much. This was a man that played the character Negrodamus on the Chappelle's Show, used the word nigger for almost every word in his standup special and made fun of his own people on a regular basis. Here is a small quote.

It didn't only stop at Black people. He makes fun of all the races. I would like to understand how this is acceptable for a Black man and not a White man. Even Carlos Mencia who does racial jokes of all races every episode is accepted, yet if someone like Dane Cook or Jim Gaffigan went on stage and did a joke about the blacks or the spanish, they'd be blackballed from every show they ever tried to do and would become social outcasts. It would be displayed all over the media until every person in America knows about it. I find this unacceptable. If you really want to end rascism, stop being so sensitive to stupid words and jokes. Laugh at how ignorant the person making them really is and try to show them how wrong they are on a daily basis. Do not fall into the stereotype, unless it's a positive stereotype like the person with glasses is smart or(and I mean no offense), the Jew is good with money. Well, that's all I have to say.


I agree with you dude. I should have stressed the fact that I was talking about gangster rap. Gangster rap and hip hop is different. There's a guy who makes a song saying how the drugs have ruined the neighborhood vs a guy who makes a song promoting drug use in the neighborhood. I am sick of gangster rap artists and shitty one thought rock groups who promote violence and drug use because they lack the talent to actually create something worthwhile and thought provoking. That's what I was getting at. I do believe that when a person, and it doesn't matter what race he is, listens to these kinds of songs, it influeces(though does not force) them to do drugs and react violently because they see it as acceptable. It is unfortunate for the parent who promotes this type of behavior, but the blame cannot always be put on the parent for not being attentive 100% of the time. People go to work, people have bills to pay, people cannot spend their entire day looking over their child's shoulder trying to see what they are doing because not only does it not work, but it creates a rebellious wanting in the child themselves. You cannot blame only the parents, but they contribute. You cannot blame only the media, though they contribute. You cannot blame only the society, though they contribute.
Imagine a 3 circle venn diagram with the circles being society, media, and upbringing, and the space they all occupy being the person. They all contribute to creating the whole, but cannot be individually held responsible for the actions a person commits. In the end, the person has to be held responsible for their actions, but that does not mean they were not influenced.

Jeremy, please dont double post. Use the edit or multi-quote features in future.

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Dude. Will you just shut the f**k up for once about how hot-shot of a Marine you are, you egostistical, self-centered son of a bitch? Sure, it's cool and respectable, but it's not as respectable as those who are currently off in Iraq or some other countries risking their lives fighting for this country. What the f**k are you doing on cB, an online forum? Is that the only thing you have to brag about? Your Marine status, your f**king guns, and what else? How you slept with a woman and you don't remember jack shit from the previous night? Holy f**k. Good f**king job. Hope she had some f**king STD's or some shit.

What the f**k are you doing back on? I thought you quit like a little bitch after we made fun of you and your girlfriend? You're an indecisive little bastard, arent you. I guess the Asian club at school didnt have what you were looking for, huh? oh well.

Omg, *sigh* XD....AZN pride!!!

Why? Because your using those type of words to put people in catagories and it's hurtful because WERE ALL HUMAN. As for your saying, I've heard of it but have you heard of this one - "bones do break and words do break hearts" or something like that I saw it on the side of a church the other day, while I'm not a Christian I must agree with that saying 100% Words shouldn't be used because it's wrong and they are used to harm or hurt others and that's not right.

Seon Ho, Jeremy, cut it now. Josh, no need to comment on it.

Well, look at the Columbine Shooting, in case you haven't heard of it they also believed that something influenced him such as tv or a video game to do what he did but to me I think they were wanting to just feel sorry for him because he was only like 15 years old and he seemed like a perfect kid but they also realized that the way things happend, it had to of been planned for a long time and he should be tried as an adult. So basically what I'm trying to say is that just because the media say it's the cause of his actions or one of the causes doesn't necessarily mean it to be true. I believe that if your old enough to know better such as a 15 year old or 30 year old stuff like that doesn't influence you to act upon it. You have your own mind and people CAN think for themselves. Now, if you grew up living with people that taught you to be that way then okay I understand but were talking about video games/movies promoting violence in general. If the person grew up on violence then okay but still when they get older most of the time they tend to steer away from that because they do have there own lives and there own brains...such as the columbine shooting the boy came from a good home, very loving friends and seemed happy but he snapped..they believed after it was all over and done with that his influence to kill was because of being bullied at school.

That was a mother of a run-on sentence, and please use paragraphs, because that was really hard to read.

Why would the fact that it was planned for a long time in advance negate the influence which the media may have had? and what does that have to do with being tried as an adult?

Well, no, it isn't necessarily true BECAUSE the media said it, but has it occured to you that media may have said it because it was true? I mean, all of what your saying is basically that you don't THINK it's the case, which is just fine and dandy, but really isn't much use to anyone, because it doesn't have any sort of foundation, and is frankly refuted by looking at case studies; again I refer you to the Jamie Bulger case.

You're over simplifying to extremes. Obviously the media isn't going to be a THE primary infuence in every case, but in some cases, it IS a factor. I mean, if violence is something you're exposed to, via the media, in your home, playing video games, or what have you, then that makes an impact. Almost everything a person does shapes them in some way, mainly subliminally. It may not be a direct cause of something someone does, but it will have helped shape them into the person they ultimately became, and the person who committed whatever hypothetical crime.

Sorry about that, but I had to say something.. I felt kinda like Michael from The Office,"Errrmmmmm.... THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!!"

You know, I agree with Jeremy... I think that you guys who disagree are all ignorant assholes. He's a prophet with a message, and if You are disagreeing with him then you are:

1. Just here to agrue anything even though you secretly agree with him
2. A nigger-spic-jew-towel-terrorist who listens to gangsta' rap.
3. An over-sensative piss-ant who takes everything too seriously.
4. Living in a hole far-far-away from all gangsta' rap.
5. Twelve years old and you have a misguided view of reality.

You don't know me!!! You don't know me!!! I got 187 problems, but a bitch ain't one to disagree!!

^ You did not HAVE to say anything whatsoever, and you didnt have to make that utterly ridiculous last post, which added absolutely zero to the thread.

Now, Rebecca has already stated that your next warning will put you on mod preview, and that last ppst didnt quite merit that, but STOP posting if you aren't going to add anything constructive. Next time will be mod preview.