I'm not sure.. Both ?

I believe and God and that he made everything, but deep inside me I ALSO believe that we were once monkeys

No, statistically speaking, it's not impossible; it's merely improbable. Statistics rarely, if ever, makes statements about impossibility. And while I won't dispute that the same genetic mutation could arise at the same place at the same time, I don't recall stating in my previous argument that such an occurrence was crucial to evolution or even likely to occur. Straw man argument, once again.

Just because things weren't found out yet and they can't do certain things doesn't mean it's not possible.

Heath21, please read your response again and note the contradiction within your statement:

(emphasis added by ScottD)

Interesting perspective. I've never heard anyone put the word "merely" along side the word "improbable". That rates up there with other famous oxymorons like "jumbo shrimp", "military intelligence", "Great Britain", and "United States".

Actually, it would be improbable for two mutations of the same kind to occur. It would be improbable for two of the same kind of mutations to occur at the same time. It would be improbable for two of the same kind of mutations to occur in the same location. Cumulative statistical results are determined based on multiplying individual statistical data. Multiply 3 separately improbable stats and try to come up with something that isn't impossible.

1. We started like a little "pixel" and later we were monkeys.(99% of actual Mens still do think like animals.)
2. We are going thru a de-evolution with all this nuclear bombs, golal warming and human stupidity going upper 200%.
3. If you watch the nowadays Fashion you will see that evan our garderobe goes back to Adam and Even, soon we will walk naked Again.

I'm coming from the perspective of a math student who has studied enough statistics to know that, even if a chance is one in a billion, there's still that one chance, which doesn't make it impossible.

From Claudel:
We started like a little "pixel"

Where did the evolutionary "pixel" come from ?

Outter space, like that meteorit whom hit earth and killed all the dino's, some said that along with that meteorit, many new things came and many old things simply dissapeared.

Where did the evolutionary "pixel" come from ?

That's an interesting theory, but all those things are bigger than the"pixel" you mentioned.

So, was the "pixel" before or after the story of this meteor (which there's no evidence that a huge rock ever hit) ? In effect, you've described a separate theory of what might have "taken out" the dinosaurs.

If the "pixel" was after this "crash", then was there a different "pixel" that led to the meteor ? Otherwise, the "pixel" was before and you didn't help me answer the original question:

Outter space, like that meteorit whom hit earth and killed all the dino's, some said that along with that meteorit, many new things came and many old things simply dissapeared.

Uhm you should watch Discovery Channel more offten or learn some history :)
It's more like this, inside of this X asteroid, there was that Y small "pixel" which adapted to our climate and turned into something else it was before and that was the first step of Evolution. I believe there are multiple galaxies and I do believe there are other creatures other then us, untill now, we didnt found any because we don't have the proper spacecrafts to travel the universe and see what else is there to be found...

I'm interested especially, though, why no one has addressed the belief that the human eye (~576 megapixel resolution) is a piece of flesh that evolved to that point of capability over millions of years. Why can't man with all his technology come out with a digital camera that even comes close to this yet natural selection and mutation worked. Heath21, man's "evolved" brain can't even come close to this yet "death to the weak" and "changes to genetic material" did ??

Look…The Nephilim Are Here
by Patrick Heron

Posted: 16:00 January 29, 2007


The origination of the Nephilim begins with a story of the fallen angels.
The debate rages on. Does "the Rapture" happen before, in the middle, or at the end of the Tribulation period? Is the Church of the Body mentioned in the Book of Revelation at all? Are Christians ever going to stop beating one another up over this vexed question?

Coming as I do from the cloistered calms of The Emerald Isle, little did I realise that brother could castigate brother so viciously in this civil war of words, until I dipped my toes in the continent of the United States.

This essay will trot us through chapter twelve of the Book of Revelation, otherwise known as the Apocalypse. It may shed a little more light on the above question, and add some more colour to the pictures of what’s coming down the track in the future.

At this juncture, may I say that I do not have all the answers. Neither do you. The last guy to have all the answers got out of here almost 2,000 years ago and hasn’t come back yet. So don’t go getting your knickers in a twist about who’s right and who’s wrong. " Now we know in part…" So we only know part of the story. We will have to wait a while to get the full version. In the meantime, let brotherly Love abound.

I will be quoting from the Kings James Version. Revelation 12, verse 1; Here goes:

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

This is an obvious reference to Israel and the Jewish people when you compare the symbolism to Joseph’s dream in Genesis 37: 9,10. But as we will see, sometimes prophetic utterances may have dual or more meanings. That is, they can have up to two or three different meanings, and all are correct. This we can see in the next verse;

2 And she being with child cried, travelling in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Of course the woman know becomes Mary, who brought forth the Messiah. This becomes plain as we read on;

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

The dragon is of course, Satan, the Devil who is the serpent. The seven heads and ten horns are figures of speech for his aides de corps. They are mentioned in 1 Corinthians 2:8 and called the "princes of this world." Well we all know who the chief prince is, also called "the prince of darkness." And it ain’t Dracula.

So the main man is Satan, who is the Serpent of Genesis 3. And here we are told that one third of the "stars" of heaven are cast down to earth and these stars are those angels who rebelled with him and tried to usurp the throne of God way back when in the dim, distant primeval past.

I believe this "casting to earth" is still future. This will become plainer as we read on.

When Jesus was born, Herod sent out his troops to slaughter all the innocents under two years old in Bethlehem. Later the crowds tried to throw him off a cliff. Then the dragon and his princes finally succeeded by murdering him at the crucifixion. But only temporarily. As God raised Jesus from death three days and nights later.

Of course the reason Satan and his comrades wanted the Messiah out of the way harks back to Genesis 3:15 where God promised Satan that the "seed of the woman" would ultimately "crush your head." Not a very nice prospect if you happen to be Satan. Especially coming as it did from the Most High God. So Satan and his chiefs have spent nigh on 6,000 years endeavouring to derail prophecy as thus avert their inevitable demise. (By the way, watch out for that phrase, "seed of the woman").

5 And she brought forth a man child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

This must be the shortest definition of the life of Jesus in the Bible. He is born; he is caught up to heaven. One interesting vignette here is that the word in Greek for "caught up" is harpazo, which is the same word used in the famous section in 1 Thessalonians 4 which describes the saints who are still alive at the parousia (coming) being "caught up" to meet the Lord in the air. It is significant to me that this same word is used here. We shall return to this later.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels.

8 And prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

When it speaks here of the woman fleeing into the wilderness, this is referring to a future flight of the Jewish people in the time of the tribulation. Most experts on the numerology of these End Times, (and I am not one of them), agree that this is referring to the second half of the seven year period. And some say that this spot, where the Jews will be protected, is Petra.

Then in verse seven it describes a war in Heaven. Not a battle but a war. And this war is waged between two sets of spirit men. For that is what "angels" are; men. Not flesh and blood men as you and I. But spirit men, which is far more powerful than mere human beings.

This war ensues and the Devil and his evil spirit men are defeated and cast out. And where are they cast to? "Into the earth."

Contrary to popular belief, the Devil and his angels were not cast out of heaven way back in days of yore when they rebelled in the original coup. How do I know this? Because it says in verse 8, "…neither was their place found any more in heaven."

And again in verse 10;

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation and strength and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: FOR THE ACCUSER OF OUR BRETHERN IS CAST DOWN, WHICH ACCUSED THEM BEFORE GOD DAY AND NIGHT.

Perhaps we should think of heaven in different terms. Just as the world we live in is a big place, it may be that the same applies in heaven. As I write this, I am many thousands of miles from Australia which is on the other side of the globe. Thus in heaven, the capital city, which is called Mount Sion and the Heavenly Jerusalem, is where the Throne of God resides. There He sits with His son on his right hand side, 24 elders sit on thrones round-about, and there also is a multitude of these spirit men, called angels.

Now let us imagine that Satan and his angels are in a different location in heaven, but maybe some distance from this celestial city. Nevertheless, he has access day and night to God where he continually accuses the brethern (us) because of our sins down here. But read on. The victory shall be ours.

11 And they overcame him, by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto death.

How come no one wants to state their faith in evolution by saying that a piece of organic material just happened to "form itself" such that we have almost 50 times the resolution of the latest technology ??? Come on y'all !! Just go on record that this is your faith. This is your belief. Consider what you're saying that all the systems in your body just happen to work in perfect harmony. Any one of these systems shut down and you die: Cardiovascular, Respiratory, Nervous, Digestive, Excretory. All these just happened to work out the way they did. That's faith -- faith in the "scientists" who come up with their own funky ideas on how it all happened.

I'm amazed. Just in the past few responses, we have the following:
"like that meteorit whom hit earth and killed all the dino's"
"They do not know what killed the Dino's"
So, you're basing your understanding of truth on what "scientists" (or is it "fabricists") come up with ?

"the sun was so close to the earth that everything dried up and they had nothing to drink and nothing to eat because everything was dying"
Yet, there's no movement like that happening today to kill all of us off ?

"we didnt found any because we don't have the proper spacecrafts to travel the universe"
"I also believe there are... aliens out there"
Funny how y'all can have faith in something you can't see. Faith in something that has no evidence. Yet, you have all of Creation to view and you can't readily see that there must've been a Creator.

If you were to put some TNT into a printing press, what are the chances of detonating it and having a dictionary produced from the explosion ? That's what the "big bang" theory is. From nothing but the "pixel" (or dot) that Claudel mentioned, all matter came. That's not only far-fetched, it breaks the laws of physics that constrain us.

Consider the fact that we'll all be dead for far longer than we were ever alive. We, in no way, have tomorrow promised to us. Please consider how we've all lied, stolen, blasphemed His Holy Name. Judgment is the only righteous outcome of breaking laws. Without a means by which to pay the fine for breaking His Commandments, you will be found guilty and you must receive the right sentencing.

Please consider your eternal destiny and look to the only Way to have your fine paid.

I would like to ask why you consider evolution, when backed up with the (albeit long) statistics Michael stipulated to be 'impossible', and yet creationism, which can't be backed up with ANY statistics, long or short, to be so logical an option.

Actually, I was asking Scott, but I wasn't clear, so sorry about that

ScottD, there is large format 8x10 film which can record 800 megapixels. Though I suppose we haven't made an artificial liver yet...

I need to ask you one thing... why do you think accepting evolution is incompatible with Christianity?