That's not nice!; I highly doubt you "know our stuff" about religion and that God would ask you to call someone a queer. Doesn't Jesus teach about loving your neighbor and all that other wonderful good stuff?

^ LOL. This topic walks some fine line between serious debate and a pretty amusing joke.

Romans 10:17(NIV)
Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.

Still editing my post...

I am not a Christian anymore but I was one for almost 2 1/2 years and I know in the Bible it says that you should respect others because Jesus loves everyone and he asks us to be more like him and obey his commandments. For one..."love your neighbor" is one of the 10 COMMANDMENTS which means if you don't go by it as a Christian, you are making one of the biggest sins of all since it is one of the 10 commandments. Just thought I'd point that out to ya!

QUOTE(Heath21 @ Jan 31 2007, 4:42 PM)

I am not a Christian anymore but I was one for almost 2 1/2 years and I know in the Bible it says that you should respect others because Jesus loves everyone and he asks us to be more like him and obey his commandments. For one..."love your neighbor" is one of the 10 COMMANDMENTS which means if you don't go by it as a Christian, you are making one of the biggest sins of all since it is one of the 10 commandments. Just thought I'd point that out to ya!

In God's eye, every sin is the same. I know it sounds weird but it's true. On Earth, people "rate" sins. Such as, if you lie it's not such a big thing, although it's still a sin whereas if you commit murder, it is considering very bad. God does not rate any sins, nor does he compare them. So basically, as far as God is concered lying & murder are equal & will be punshied the same. Therefore, just because love your neighbor is a commandment doesn't make it any worse if you commit that sin than any other.

Someone else told me that being homosexual is an "untolerable" sin, while murdering and lying are "tolerable." I know this is completely off topic, but how come being homosexual is "more" of a sin than murdering and lying if all sins are equal?

HEY HE CAN COPY AND PASTE.

So, if God rates different sins equally, how could he ever be held as being just, nonetheless perfectly just?

QUOTE(mishyerr @ Jan 31 2007, 8:15 PM)

Someone else told me that being homosexual is an "untolerable" sin, while murdering and lying are "tolerable." I know this is completely off topic, but how come being homosexual is "more" of a sin than murdering and lying if all sins are equal?

That someone that told you that was incorrect. I'll try & get the verse later but as for not, I'm sleepy.
Homosexuality is rated the same.

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So, if God rates different sins equally, how could he ever be held as being just, nonetheless perfectly just?

What are you asking? As I said, I'm sleepy & when I'm sleepy my brain doesn't function properly.

Don't worry about it; thank you for answering my q, though! ^_^

Sins are not equal. There is a distinction between venial and mortal sin.

However, you can say that some sins are equal because mortal sin results in a schism between yourself and the body of Christ. That is why people who are not in a state of grace cannot receive Holy Communion. Doesn't matter if you kill one person or kill one million people; you're cut off either way.

Then there's the whole notion of the "unforgivable" sin. Don't know the exact verse, but it has something to do with denying the Holy Spirit. There's an unfortunate fad on youtube with people denying the Holy Spirit (taking the no-win option in Pascal's Wager). Personally, I believe that there is no "unforgivable" sin. However, this sin can be unforgiving because if you deny the Holy Spirit, you probably aren't going to be looking for forgiveness or you are arrogant and/or so filled with despair that you believe that it is beyond God's help. Only thing we can do is pray for these people, that they will see that they're wrong and they'll ask for forgiveness.

I am officially confused. Every Christian has a different answer about what sin is, how it's rated, and etc.

You can thank Martin Luther for that.

lol

I know that. I was a Christian for 2 1/2 years.

ehhhhh??

i get the first part but the "just nonetheless perfectly just" is confusing...

Well I dont think that God rates sins and as long as you ask for forgiveness for you sins he will be just and forgive you...murder however is another story.

That's sick right there. So, your saying you would ACTUALLY kill an innocent little baby because God told you to? I'm sorry but when you said that it just made me so sick to my stomach...actually no I am not sorry this is a debate and I think that is totally disturbing. Anybody who follows a God that says he'd kill someone if God told him too, such as a newborn child, is mentally disturbed.

One other thing I'd like to point out you made in a earlier post is that you say any sane person would follow God, does that mean that anyone who wishes not to follow YOUR God is an insane person?

QUOTE(Heath21 @ Jan 31 2007, 3:42 PM)

I am not a Christian anymore but I was one for almost 2 1/2 years and I know in the Bible it says that you should respect others because Jesus loves everyone and he asks us to be more like him and obey his commandments. For one..."love your neighbor" is one of the 10 COMMANDMENTS which means if you don't go by it as a Christian, you are making one of the biggest sins of all since it is one of the 10 commandments. Just thought I'd point that out to ya!

Just because that was in the 10 commandments doesn't give the sin a value, because our sins don't have value. Sins are sins. They are equal. Like if two people are wrong about something, one is not "more wrong" than the other. The fact of the matter is - y'all were wrong.

QUOTE(mishyerr @ Jan 31 2007, 7:15 PM)

Someone else told me that being homosexual is an "untolerable" sin, while murdering and lying are "tolerable." I know this is completely off topic, but how come being homosexual is "more" of a sin than murdering and lying if all sins are equal?

Who the fudge told you that?! Sins are flippin sins. Refer to what I said before.

QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jan 31 2007, 8:38 PM)

Then there's the whole notion of the "unforgivable" sin. Don't know the exact verse, but it has something to do with denying the Holy Spirit. There's an unfortunate fad on youtube with people denying the Holy Spirit (taking the no-win option in Pascal's Wager). Personally, I believe that there is no "unforgivable" sin. However, this sin can be unforgiving because if you deny the Holy Spirit, you probably aren't going to be looking for forgiveness or you are arrogant and/or so filled with despair that you believe that it is beyond God's help. Only thing we can do is pray for these people, that they will see that they're wrong and they'll ask for forgiveness.

That is somewhat true. The unforgivable sin deals more so with blasphemy.

QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jan 31 2007, 9:15 PM)

You can thank Martin Luther for that.

Martin Luther said nothing about the rating of sins, as far as I know.

QUOTE(Anubis_Birth @ Jan 29 2007, 11:27 AM)

BTW sorry mods but I can't respect people who basically worship Hitler.

Hitler is a human whom, by the way, did not create the world and killed people because he wanted to create this perfect society.

God is divine, created the universe, and had every right to do what he wanted. He wasn't trying to create a perfect society. If he wanted a perfect society (one that worships him, one that doesn't sin), he would've done so in the first place instead of allowing humans the freedom of choice. When humans chose the wrong path, death was the punishment. God's plan for saving us from death was to send Jesus Christ, his only son, to die on the cross for us. Jesus's blood washed away our sins, so that we did not have to die for sinning.

If you can't show respect to others, especially by the request of a mod, then honestly, don't bother posting.

The thing that doesn't make any sense to me is why homosexuality is a sin. I mean every Christian is like well because God created man and woman, not man and man and not woman and woman. But still, homosexuals are human and some are actually born that way and cannot choose what they feel. Believe me, I have friends who were actually born into it. If God is so loving like everyone claims why would he say homosexuality is sinful, why would he judge them for that? It's just not right in my opinion. Which is one reason why I am no longer a Christian.

Why in fact are you so anti-god?

I hate how people are against and diss other's religions, they can believe whatever they like to.

QUOTE(Heath21 @ Feb 1 2007, 12:34 AM)

That's sick right there. So, your saying you would ACTUALLY kill an innocent little baby because God told you to? I'm sorry but when you said that it just made me so sick to my stomach...actually no I am not sorry this is a debate and I think that is totally disturbing. Anybody who follows a God that says he'd kill someone if God told him too, such as a newborn child, is mentally disturbed.

One other thing I'd like to point out you made in a earlier post is that you say any sane person would follow God, does that mean that anyone who wishes not to follow YOUR God is an insane person?

Actually, yes I would. As I said in that post, God would obviously havea purpose for telling me to do that. God has a point for everything. He had everything planned out before we were even born. And if you think that my choice was disturbing, oh well. I follow God with all of my heart & if he tells me to do something, I do it. It called trusting & obeying hun, the entire point of Christianity.
And as for the comment I made, it didn't mean that persae. It's really hard to explain. But no, that's notwhat I meant.

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Sins are not equal. There is a distinction between venial and mortal sin.

However, you can say that some sins are equal because mortal sin results in a schism between yourself and the body of Christ. That is why people who are not in a state of grace cannot receive Holy Communion. Doesn't matter if you kill one person or kill one million people; you're cut off either way.

Then there's the whole notion of the "unforgivable" sin. Don't know the exact verse, but it has something to do with denying the Holy Spirit. There's an unfortunate fad on youtube with people denying the Holy Spirit (taking the no-win option in Pascal's Wager). Personally, I believe that there is no "unforgivable" sin. However, this sin can be unforgiving because if you deny the Holy Spirit, you probably aren't going to be looking for forgiveness or you are arrogant and/or so filled with despair that you believe that it is beyond God's help. Only thing we can do is pray for these people, that they will see that they're wrong and they'll ask for forgiveness.

The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy, knowing the Holy Spirt is exsistant but denying him nontheles.

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I know that. I was a Christian for 2 1/2 years.

If you knew it, why'd you make the comment? That contridicts itself.

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The thing that doesn't make any sense to me is why homosexuality is a sin. I mean every Christian is like well because God created man and woman, not man and man and not woman and woman. But still, homosexuals are human and some are actually born that way and cannot choose what they feel. Believe me, I have friends who were actually born into it. If God is so loving like everyone claims why would he say homosexuality is sinful, why would he judge them for that? It's just not right in my opinion. Which is one reason why I am no longer a Christian.

That is something I don't understand either. I mean, certain people chose to have relationship sa that, but others say they have no choice. And I don't see how people think some of them chose that. For instance, I live in a town with al ot of rednecks, which are strongly against homosexuality for anyone that didn't know. There are several gay guys at my school & they get called names & made fun of all the time. Why the heck would they CHOSE that for their life? I've asked my preacher & he was no help so I have no clue.

This is testy stuff.

Isn't homosexuality a sin as prescribed by followers of God since it wasn't an issue 'back then' and therefore not addressed in the Bible? So people take it being a sin as per their own interpretation of the Bible? (an innocent question before anyone leaps on me for being ignorant/anti-God etc)

Not sure who that was pointed towards, but I don't diss other religions if you were referring to me. I am just stating why I don't agree with the Christian religion. And I am not anti-God, I am anti-Religion at this point and time. I do believe there is a possiblity of God, I just don't believe in the Christian God exactly. I actually like learning about different religions, it's rather interesting.




I posted that because that's what I believe in and sorry if I worded it wrong I've been in a lot of pain lately.

I just believe if your God tells you to kill, then theres something not right here. If I was in your shoes and someone asked me if I'd kill a child if God told me to. I'd respond with - "No, I wouldn't because God would never tell me to do that!". Not - "Yes, I would".

The whole gay thing will not be answered by a preacher because most preachers will tell you it's a sin because the Bible tells you so. I just don't understand why God would judge them...I guess we'll never know until we die and ask that question.




What I've been trying to say all along. Everyone has there own interpretation of what the Bible or what God is trying to tell them. One person could believe being homosexual is ok while another finds it wrong. In my opinion I think God intended it that way (if he exists) and I believe that anything mentioned in the Bible such as - "don't steal, don't cheat, don't kill" are good rules to live by...I follow them even without God, I was brought up to follow those simple rules but all the other stuff like - "don't have sex before marriage because it's a sin, don't lust after someone" and all that in my opinion shouldn't be sinful in God's eyes...afterall, we ARE human.

This question is for everyone who claims that these are sins..if God didn't want us to do these things, why did he create them? I know your probably going to say free-will. But why would he even give us free will if these things are so bad..?

Why do you kids always have to take HIM responsible for your own mistakes? for your own choices, good or bad, its up to you, you are the one and only responsible, stop finding others guilty of what you do, you are the black sheep not them.


Life is like gambling you gotta evan the odds, but its up to you what to choose what's best for you.

Forget the past... and LIVE the future.

This kinda reminds me of my ex-best friend who is a hardcore Christian girl. She believes every mistake she makes, whatever goes wrong in her life that God will fix it and make it better, she believes he helps you do EVERYTHING...but I was brought up to believe that - "God helps those who help themselves".