What's to debate? I would think any sane person knows that cracking a baby's (not even a fetus, since it is so late in the term) head open and sucking it out with a vacuum is a deplorable act.

Eh, well, the point when a fetus becomes a "child" is highly debatable. And I'm sure the woman involved has a whole different notion as to if what she's doing is deplorable. Again, please don't turn this into a debate.

Meh sounds like a copout to me but I'll stop.

I like filibusters... at least, I liked them in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.

lmao!!!!! Hahaha, Jon Stewart. <3

..I'd vote for him. >_>

So in all seriousness I'd love to see Edwards try it again, but I don't think that's gonna happen. We'll see, I suppose.

Haha, I just watched that movie in my Government class. I don't like it, but what does fillibusters have to do with impeaching Bush?

Eh, anything having to do with the Kerry campaign will kill the Dems in '08. Obama/Edwards could work, though. Anything with Obama could potentially get the Dems in the White House, just because he is that awesome.

I'm also riding on my Stewart/Colbert '08 idea.

Ehhh. Obama? Are you serious? He lacks experience. He's only been the senator or something of some state for 2 years. And during that time, he's taken several trips to Africa to find his "roots". I hope I'm not coming off as being rasist, because I'm not. I'm just afraid that he's going to bee too "pro minority / African American". I know that probably sounds stupid. But he just seems like he'd be a little extreme.



I dont dislike the guy, but he just lacks experience.







Edwards would be awesome. I was furious when he decided to step down and run as vice in the last election. I think he was losing in the polls though.







Okay, thats a pretty ignorant statement. I consider myself to be more moderate, only because I disagree with the liberals on stuff like abortion. Abortion should be allowed in certain cases, like if a woman is raped, or if her life is in danger. It definately shouldnt be a form of birth control. I'm totally against the partial birth abortion, but a woman still deserves her rights.

Not all democrats are completely for abortion. Heck, Guiliani is for partial birth abortion, and he's supposedly "conservative".





What makes you so glad to have Bush as president? The fact that he's an idiot? Lied to us, broke international law, and went to war with Iraq claiming that Saddam was responsible for 9/11? Oh please do tell. I cant wait to read your response.

In his defense, this George W. Bush guy lacked experience as well, he was only Governor of Texas.



STRAWMAN and ad hominem. Did you not read my posts? I said clearly NEVERMIND REGULAR ABORTION. I acknowledged that not all D's are pro death too. Way to look smart.



I'm glad because we got two very qualified judges on the supreme court, our economy is doing great , he's pushing for the defense of marriage, we have a partial birth abortion ban thanks to him, etc. even though he's not the ideal candidate. At least he's not John Kerry.

LOL @ calling him a liar. Look up the definition of a lie before you respond.

Eh, strange that this topic is slowly turning into a debate. But what's politics without debates?

I'll admit, I don't like a lot of the decisions Bush made. Esspecially the war. I don't care that abortion exsists. I know it sounds rude, but it's not like I know the children personally and I don't think that anyone is in the position to judge any woman who's getting or has had an abortion.

I completely agree. I think abortion is a important issue, but I dont think it should be our top priority right now.





Exactly. Bush wasnt exactly experienced enough for the position either. But, I think he had been involved in Politics longer than Obama has.



I see what your saying. But I dont feel like getting two good judges is all that impressive. I feel like thats something almost anyone could have done. Actually, our economy has been going down hill. How is our economy doing so great? Thats good that he's against abortion, but there are far more important issues going on right now besides abortion. I'm surprised your not trying to argue over the whole war thing.

Too bad you failed at "not coming off as being racist."

What? How was I being racist? I apologize if I was.

^ If an Irish guy went to Ireland to "find his roots," as you so put it, would you be as quick to say he's pro-Ireland/pro-white?

^ I dont think i've heard of too many Irish guys actually doing that. I think most people who have had family here for awhile would want to find their roots in America, not elsewhere. I dont know. Maybe I'm wrong.

But if he was taking too much time off the job to do so, then yeah. I meant that from what I've seen/heard, he's taken alot of time off to take several trips. It doesnt bother me where he's going, or what his nationality is. Its the fact that he claims to be "finding his roots" when he's supposed to be on the job.

I'm sorry if I came off as sounding racist. I guess I just wasnt being too clear on what I was trying to say.

JFK did it. And Obama went to Africa as a representative from the US Congress. It just so happens to be that his dad is from Kenya. Don't be so quick to judge.

I don't really think that's very valid. People who's family has been here since the 1800's look into their "roots". I don't necessarily think that they are just taking time to go to the place of where their ancestors came from to live in that country or anything. It's a way to get a better understanding of your family history. It sounds like they go to the place where their ancestors came to just hang out and be accepted there But my family doesn't have deep roots in America, so who am I to speak?



You're so smart.

Really? Thats almost funny. Did you even bother to read that as a result of Kennedy joining with the Irish president, a foundation that has raised over $300 million was formed?

I didnt say that no one like that hasnt. I didnt realize that his father was actually from Kenya, but I dont think that makes a difference. I dont think our country has really benefited from him going, even though WE are paying for it. Its understandable for someone to want to visit where they are from, but its something that he should pay for. Plus, he has to be taking alot of time off from the job to do so.

"The African journeys of Sen. Barack Obama are paid for by U.S. taxpayers who foot the bills for hotels, food, ground transportation, commercial plane rides, military aircraft put at his disposal and Navy escorts who accompany him wherever he goes."

How so? As far as the senate and house goes, most of the Democrats in there are more moderate than liberal. I consider myself a Democrat. I'm definately not for the partial birth abortions, but I know some actually are. Guiliani, a main Republican who will run in 08' is for it, and he's supposedly conservative.

Whats wrong with gay marriage? Do you say that because you think they "choose" to be that way?

And I really dont get how you think stem cell research is wrong. From what I understand, when women have invetro, or whatever its called, there are always embryo's that are left unused, and are eventually destroyed. So instead of them basically just being thrown away, they could be used for research. I think they can also be donated. They are NOT fertilized eggs, so whats wrong with it? Stem cell research could lead to finding a cure to cancer, alzheimers, parkinsons, diabetes, and other health problems. Its also possible that they could be able to make organs in the lab, for people who are in need of a organ transplant.

That's besides the point. You said you hadn't heard of any Irish people looking to establish their roots.

Obama has only visited Africa once as a congressman, the other two trips were when he was young and when he got engaged. This last trip was 15 days, but he technically wasn't taking time off as he is a part of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee panel on African Affairs.

Besides that, a lot of politicians travel, it's a part of the job.

And who did you think paid for Kennedy to travel to Ireland?

There's nothing wrong with traveling, I just dont feel like he had a reason to the way he has. The governemnt (our tax dollars) has had to pay for it.

Who cares who paid for Kennedy's. I know we did, but still. He started a foundation and in return has raised over $300 million. What has made Obamas trips worthwile?

Arghh. Why are we arguing over him when the topic was originally about Democrats winning the Senate and House.

-gets some popcorn and sits back-

Yeah, things tend to always get off topic. Esspecially in politics.

Yeah. I always walk away feeling bad about myself too, thinking that I'm an idiot any time someone disagrees with me. Or I worry that I might have hurt someones feelings or something.

Well, the $300 million has been raised for about thirty years. Obama's only been a Senator for two years. Obama's trip to Africa is extremely important; he's helping to re-establish diplomatic ties with oft-ignored African countries. Who knows, this could be the first step in "solving" (and I use this term extremely loosely) the problem in Darfur.

Since when did the democrats become liberal? Since when did they adopt their views completely?

And when did the liberals become the "bad guys"? We had liberals ruling in Canada for quite a while, and it was a whole lot better than it is now.



Actually, he is. I'll give you one example.

Initially, he said that the reason the Americans invaded Iraq was because of their possible posession of mass destruction weapons. Now. When they didn't find any, the reason suddenly became "to remove a brutal dictator". Which one is it?

Research your sources more next time.