Can you guys prove these contradictions to be false? Here's your challenge, prove to me and everyone else that the Bible is not false and misleading to the truth of God and his prophets.


Here's your big resource of Biblical contradictions:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim...radictions.html
http://www.greenwych.ca/bible-a.htm
http://members.aol.com/chasklu/religion/pr...e/question.html

that site has has a lot of crap on it, the person who wrote it doesn't know the bible because some of the stuff coming out of their mouth, boy. and are you ok? you seem to be going around the forums trying to prove your religion and falsify christianty. do you have something to prove to yourself about your religion? who does that, if they're comfortbale with themself and their beliefs? i'm not going to respond toward the debate, because that would take me forever to go through everything and arguing (or debating as you'd like to call it) about religion is POINTLESS because everyone is going to think exactly what they want anyway. just thought u'd like to know i think ur pushy, dumb (ahaha), and from an outsider you seem like u have something yu need to prove badlyyyyyyyyyyyy. have a nice day.

Per request, this is being re-opened.

However, let me reiterate the Debate Forum rules:

I would really like to point out the rule that has been bolded. Be civil, be respectful and be courteous. I will close this and will warn anyone who does not abide by these simple rules. Period.

Thread is being open for the following reason:

Tamacracker, use the following website to find weed out any inconsistency you might find.

Tektonics

Oh, and I went to skeptics anotated bible, and I found this:

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm

Now do you see the problem with just linking? It kills discussion. That's why I suggested you at least read the passages you're saying are inconsistent, in order to save any trouble you might have later when they really aren't.

Try again, and I'll respond.

*Sigh*. What do you have against Christianism? You shouldn't care if it's got contradictions, you're a true Muslim, go with your Faith.
It seems like you're obsessed with christianism. You're so determined in finding something wrong with the Bible.

is that the definition of authentic?

Islam, eh? Well, if you look at the Christian Bible, you will find alot more consistencies than not. First of all to just get the over all story of the Bible is amazing. The people who wrote it didn't even know eachother. It's not like they got together and conspired about writing this book that would, and has changed the world.

Firstly, the Trinity is logical. As humans we think that 1+1+1=3. Well, yes it does, but actually when we see the Trinity figure it's more like they hold different offices. There's God the Father. God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. All three offices held by one being. Is that clear?

Secondly, considering you have a faith you understand that the world was created, yes? Who created it? Well, according to Christianity, our God is a personal God. He never had to create a world to have a relationship, but He did. God is a relationship. There's a Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There's a relationship right there for you. He wants to have a relationship with us.

Now, the god of Islam is a monad. That means that he's basically a one dimentional being. To create a world full of humans who depend on relationships and look to Allah as god would make Allah inconsistent. He would not be all powerful because in order to have a relationship with your god he would have to change to fit his own creation, and not the other way around.

The Bible has over 6,000 manuscripts. The chances that they have passages inconsistent with eachother are very slim. It's a book of truth. It's history. Come on. We can just see that from the stories of Exodus, and the Babolonian Captivity. They were actual historical events. To prove that the Bible is completely inconsistent would take a long time. Considering that you're skeptical of it to begin with, you wouldn't believe the evidence even if it was handed to you. So, there really is no point to this topic than to make Christianity seem fallible.

Why don't you do the research yourself. That's what the Bible says. Interpret it your own way and find out what I'm(God) saying to you. We as humans are born with this knowing that there is a god out there. Why do you think the earliest civilizations believed in something. They believed in the animism. At least it was something. They believed there was a god out there. But we know that animism is false because everything is interconnected if you look at it. The sun gives us heat and energy, and the plants give us oxygen, and the water gives life to the plants, and so forth. If things depend on eachother to survive, then there would have to be a god in order for it all to work.

Um, no they're not. Historians and archeologists actually doubt that the Exodus ever happened. There is not ONE piece of evidence that somebody wondered in the desert for FORTY years. Other stories as well - such as Noah's ark.

And Tamacracker - stop using sites as your arguments. Are you really that unintelligent that you can't read and interpret these? If you don't care to read them, why should we? Seriously.

^ Didn't you have more than 988 posts or am I dreaming?

You're dreaming.. I have 991, I think :P

It was 988 when I posted that. Oh well, I thought you were a post whore.

Tamacracker, you kind of just hop around the forms trying to put down Christianity / anything not Islam don't you?

I don't see how starting this topic was a debate, since you basically made up your mind at the start and will cite any random souce to prove the opposition wrong.

I have a question about the Bible.
but firstly let me state that I am not against christianity, it's really just my personal curiousity.

How can the bible be 100% accurate, if it was written by over 40 authors?
Wouldn't each author have put it in their own perspective and also just like myths or legends passed down through oral traditions, would events be exaggerated or changed?

^ Thank you.

this is what makes the Bible such a reliable source though, because of its continuity with stories throughout the authors,

let me think about this a bit more

Yet, if the author of one book, for example the gospel, states something different or completely dismisses something in their book, how then can the bible still be completely true? If the bible is what it claims to be, God breathed and the Word of God. Shouldn't it be completely free of flaw or error?

Not again

Okay, I read through those sites and I can prove half of their "contradictions" wrong - they obviously haven't read the bible for themselves. Like one of them is saying that prayer doesn't work: ehem? it does. That same one says 'why aren't christians doing greater work than jesus when he said they would?': they are, believe me I've seen some damn amazin stuff in my time.

You're supplying links to what OTHER people are saying, when you yourself are trying to convince us the bible is crap. Sorry that just isn't smart. I respect everyone's beliefs, therefore you should too. Don't force your religion onto people because thats what it's seeming to be like to me.


Please note that the bible uses metaphors heavily, the 40 could mean 10 or whatever.

*Christianity, not Christianism.


I skimmed through the site that you provided and it is obviously written by somebody who doesn't understand the Bible and the message that the scripture is conveying.

I don't have the time - nor do I want to - go through every single statement the site referenced and talk about why they're wrong and need to buy an education.

But here is what I noticed right off the bat.

1) They take statements out of context
2) They tried to link Christianity and science together when it is obviously not possible to do that. It's always been a very clear view-point of Christians that we DON'T believe in evolution. So why are you taking the Bible and saying it contradicts science? Those are two things you can't really compare.
3) They take a sentence and analyze it without giving you the rest of the passage. Because if you went back and thoroughly read it, you would realize that it makes sense. I guess this is the same thing as #1..
4) The Bible isn't supposed to be taken literally. It uses a lot of metaphors, parables, stories, whatever to get it's point across.

I could say a lot more, but... as I said... not enough time.

Oh damn, good point.

The Bible isn't about accuracy. It can be seen as a "history" book if it must, but it's purpose is to teach and guide people. The 40 different authors all write through God. They write their experiences with God and what they see, hear, and witness.

It's difficult to explain the concept of faith when the person you're trying to explain it to doesn't have any. Faith is the foundation of Christianity. You trust in God, you believe that he does good and works through people, therefore it's understood that an "inaccurate" Bible would not be printed unless it was an inaccuracy done on purpose by a non-Christian or someone hoping to screw people over.

Yeah, and you also don't ask questions, right? ;) God forbid.

Okay, now I'm confused, or maybe not. If you say that the Bible should not be taken literally because there are a whole lot of metaphors, then how can anyone take it literally that, for example, the world flooded, or that heaven and hell exist? Couldn't they be just metaphors for a regional disaster like, oh, Katrina, or a heaven and hell contrived by our own conscience?

Rather convenient to interpret certain things as metaphors and take others literally.



Can't link science and Christianity? You did just that when you said that Christians don't believe in evolution. That is a contrast of Christianity to science, a linkage. I think I get what you're trying to say, but I'm not really sure if you are saying what I'm thinking.

The many manuscripts of The Bible (of the new Testament concerning Jesus) are largely consistent with eachother because that was the purpose of its creation in the first place.

Back in the early days of the Christianity, it had many different sects and they each had different interpretations and beliefs on Jesus's teachings. This caused a hell of a lot of problems and confusion for everybody. This led certain people to go out and seek to create only one orthodox view. And so, in a series of many councils and meetings (such as the Council of Nicea), bishops and priests debated interpretations and teachings of Jesus, and decided which ones would be accepted as true and orthodox. They gathered and edited scriptures that were consistent with one another and supported orthodox views, and compiled them into the The Bible. This was all in order to unite all Christians under the ONE doctrine and authority, the authority, of course, being The Catholic Church.

All scriptures and texts which contradicted the Bible were then declared to be untrue and heretical, and The Church tried to suppress and destroy them all, but some survived, most notably, The Nag Hammadi Library, a collection of early Christian texts discovered in 1945, and which predate any of the New Testament scriptures, and directly contradict them in even many of their most fundamental beliefs, such as the divinity of Jesus Christ. This was all part of the centuries of persecution of so-called "heretics", whose beliefs contradicted and challenged the doctrine and authority of The Church.


Now please, don't take me as some kind of anti-religious freak who is obsessed with this subject or anything, but seriously dudes, it's just common sense and logic if you just even vaguely do some reading on Christianity's evolution, and how the Church developed.

The fact is that the Bible was for the most part a political document assembled as a means to gain authority and power for The Church.

I know theres no convincing some of you who are blind and so dedicated to remaining ignorant and stupid(im sorry man but theres no other way to put it), but your "religion", Christianity as we know it today, is not even close to what jesus ever meant it to be. I'm serious, just clear your mind and observe everything that The Church and "Christians" have done in the past millenium....




You think Jesus would accept that shit?

Hmmmm, I'm curious as to why in Noah's Ark story, he's first told by god to take the "clean" animals by sevens and the "unclean" by twos, and then in the end, he just takes two of each? And how do you fit every animal, plus food for all for 40 days on that boat?

I can't believe there are still people who take this literally.