James does have a good point, Sandra.

You are expressing your personal opinion on the subject, not providing a reasonable argument that would oppose the idea of being allowed to be naked.

Obviously this is not a desirable notion for you and that's ok. I am not, however seeing a reason for this being considered immoral other than your personal sentiment.

Also, we do start off naked.

Oh honestly, we are naked to start with!! We're not exactly born with clothes on. I think that'd be more than slightly distressing. Obviously they're clothed very quickly, but that goes along with the whole not being naked when it's cold common sense thing.

And it's immoral in what way? Why would you not want to be naked in front of your children? They would be, after all, the product of your nakedness.

QUOTE(Zatanna @ Sep 14 2006, 12:27 PM)

James does have a good point, Sandra.

You are expressing your personal opinion on the subject, not providing a reasonable argument that would oppose the idea of being allowed to be naked.

Obviously this is not a desirable notion for you and that's ok. I am not, however seeing a reason for this being considered immoral other than your personal sentiment.

Also, we do start off naked.

^ exactly. and do know that in an article i read about a nudist, she said that her parents were nudists since she could remember. it never bothered her. so what would you tell those people? that what they do are immoral? i wouldn't think so. everyone has their own beliefs.

This goes back to the issue I brought up before. There shouldn't be anything shameful about the human form, and when we make it shameful, we set kids up for a lot of self-image problems later in life.

I wouldnt exactly call humans civil

GAHHH!


YOU'RE NOT FUNNY!


GAHHH!

Paul, I don't think he was trying to be funny. He was responding to Sandra.

Please respond here only if you are contributing to the debate.

James, wow. Calm down. It's not the end of the world. Seriously, yelling doesn't do much.

Rebecca: Of course we start off naked. A naked baby is acceptable, it knows nothing about being ashamed. A naked adult is a different case. Jesus christ, would you go naked in front of your son? If you could or do, that's erm, no comment. ( ).
Would you have sex in front of your kids? I mean, they were made through having sex, weren't they? To me, it all comes down to morals.


If we weren't clothed, if clothes didn't exist then it'll be perfectly OK but that's not the case. You want us to be allowed walking down the streets naked, going to school naked, seeing our teachers naked. Jesus christ! I don't know what your definition of morals is but in my dictionary, this isn't allowed.

We don't think alike so of course we have different opinions. You think it's perfectly OK to walk around naked? Fine! Why don't you start it. Take off your clothes and walk naked. In Belgium, you'll be arrested.

well, i'll calm down when you can justify what you say and i dont feel lik emy time is being wasted. paul, die.

something not being allowed in soceity =/= morally wrong. it equals untolerated in society at the present time.

I see. Having sex publicly isn't morally wrong. Okidok.

Of course not, not if JAMES doesn't think it is. We all have to suck up to him, right? He can tell members to DIE, and it's okay.

Well my opinion in that is well ummm..... i really couldnt tell you i mean these days thats seems a tad bit innapropriate but anywyas i guess thats how god made us so,i dunni really.

Well, obviously paul. we cant have cretins like you making decisions... we would all be sitting around making faux-sarcastic comments all day instead of accomplishing anything. triesome tit.

sandra... oy. way to miss the point.

What the hell are you talking about? You told me to die, this shouldn't be allowed on a Forum. Action should be taken against you. It would be taken against me.

If you want to take the stand point of 'God created us with a beautiful body...' then you should also have read that because man has fallen he should be ashamed of his body. And when I say 'His' or 'Him' I mean mankind in general.



You're just blaming childrens perceptions of their bodies on shame. What about all the people who live normal lives. Those who aren't ashamed of other people seeing them? Do you think those people, excluded from the disorders, were brought up to not be ashamed of their bodies?

Celebrities set off a certain image, that some people would find immodest. Yet there are celebrities that have eating disorders and such.

So tell me, what do you think of having sex publicly? I mean, if we should be allowed to walk around naked, we should be allowed to have sex in the open, right?

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I am going to repeat this one sentence:

I'd hate to do it, but if it doesn't stop it will need to be done. All of you, keep it to the SUBJECT. It's about nudity in public, not sex. It's not about Paul and James slinging mud at each other either. Provide FACTS to support your argument, do not just state your opinions.

If the lack of respect for this Debate continues, it's getting closed. Period.

I am not changing the subject, it's just an example. Besides, in other debate threads, people go off topic too. Why don't you paste this there? Pft.

//Please check your PMs, Sandra and please feel free to continue asking why it is off topic via PMs, not here. I'm sorry.

This post has been edited by Zatanna: Sep 16 2006, 11:09 AM

no

^don't be a dumbass.


There are actual consequences to children seeing public sex, because there are consequences to having sex. All they learn from being naked is basic anatomy. Witnessing sex would suggest that they should do it too, which they shouldn't, because we can't go about having a bunch of 6 years olds impregnating each other, now can we?

Rebecca! I adore you.

Anyway, in this century, walking around naked will also have consequences. Remember puberty? I wouldn't want to see boners every where I go. Be honest to yourself, as of right now, it's just something that shouldn't be allowed.

No no no. The point is that had we actually been raised that nakedness is acceptable, far fewer people would be inclined to be perveerted and immature when seeing the opposite sex.

Sandra, why do you have this odd idea that public sex has anything to do with this thread?

one doesnt lead to another...

Excuse me for automatically linking nakedness to sex. I'm a pervert.

Nikki! That's my point! Had we. Right now, it's just impossible.

No, not really. If it were common, not so much. I mean, it's not like everyone dresses modestly as it is.