QUOTE(marzipan @ Jul 31 2006, 3:08 PM)

":ermm: i don't think this is pg-13"
how is that spam?

How does that even contribute to the topic?

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the thread was about oral sex with blood. i was stating something. don't mods have to monitor the threads for anything breaking the rules? we're supposed to keep it pg-13. i was a bit iffy about that.

QUOTE(marzipan @ Jul 31 2006, 3:13 PM)

the thread was about oral sex with blood. i was stating something. don't mods have to monitor the threads for anything breaking the rules? we're supposed to keep it pg-13. i was a bit iffy about that.

As a mod, you should be decisive about it and close the topic if you deem it inappropriate rather than just stating some useless information that does not contribute to the topic.

You suck up to people, dear.

^2x Well since she is new, She wasnt sure, so she stated and waited to see if a mod confirmed it was or not.
Make sense?
Being a mod you have to learn whats acceptable and whats not before making decisions

There is no harm in not knowing what to do in one little situation.
beside, read the post below me and she stated her reasoning... K?

I was stating that to kind of hint that they should keep it pg-13. i was going to let it slide for that moment and see what would happen.

And you would know that because you've been able to see backstage for how long? We don't shit talk about anyone, at least it doesn't happen anymore. If we talk about a member, it's about how difficult he/she is or how exactly to punish him/her for his/her actions. Is it such a big problem if mods have a topic to socialize? And there is actual discussion involved many times, but of course you would know that.

There is a reason why each person is modded. There are objections by mods to each candidate, whether it be activity issues, atitude problems, etc. If there is a general consensus that someone shouldn't be modded, then they aren't. Besides modding efficiently and decisively (the latter often requires experience), we have to look at those who are friendly. I can think of a few people who are generally good members, are active, and would be able to mod efficently but what they lack is proper attitude. I don't look at whether or not I have a personal grudge against someone.

If people question how cB is run, would posts like yours be more effective or would trying to get Backstage be better?

Kiera and I have both discussed each mods' activities. That's why more people have been stepping down as of late. We ask him/her to step down. Sammi has activity issues and Kiera has already PMed her. She actively participates in major discussions which is why we decided to give her another chance. Of course, we're both keeping an eye on her for any improvements.

The staff is elitist all the time, you say? Do you know some of well enough to say that? Sure, you can usually tell what a person is like from how they post, but it isn't always accurate.

If you were referring to me about the last paragraph, I didn't say that the cB revolution was petty or that the by-laws were a waste of time. The cB revolution actually produced something good after all that drama and the by-laws didn't continue as I hoped, but I don't think it was a complete waste of time.

QUOTE(StanleyThePanda @ Jul 31 2006, 3:25 PM)

^2x Well since she is new, She wasnt sure, so she stated and waited to see if a mod confirmed it was or not.
Make sense?
Being a mod you have to learn whats acceptable and whats not before making decisions

omg. You should already know what your responsibilities are when you take modding. Isn't that why you mod people? It isn't a learn-on-the-job sort of thing; it's more of a prerequisite to already know what to do.

QUOTE(marzipan @ Jul 31 2006, 3:27 PM)

I was stating that to kind of hint that they should keep it pg-13. i was going to let it slide for that moment and see what would happen.

You should've said to keep it PG-13 then rather than saying it wasn't.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHY YOU PROMOTE PEOPLE THAT KNOW HOW TO MODERATE.

And there lies most of the problem with spam. It shouldn't be that way. You guys need to have a specific set of rules on spam that all of you understand and follow. It gets confusing when mods each have their own definition of spam. We never know what's spam and what isn't. Some people spam on accident and never know.

But, anyway, we've had this discussion and we got the rules on spam changed, so we'll just have to see if it works.

I edited my post.
But anyways, sehe knows her responsibilities, it was ONE thread she wasnt sure about.. its not like she doesnt know anything.
And also read her post below mine..

Dude. I was Staff from way back in March of 2004. It was never like that. We never shit-talked people. Ever. Maybe this is a hint as to why it's going downhill?

Okay, so you're saying me and Anna have the same possibility of getting promoted as EVERYONE else?

I'd like to interject and state that I was the one that initially pointed it out in Moderator Performance.

HOW would i know how to moderate if i've never done it before? I'm learning. i'm trying hard to get it and learn the rules. i'm sorry if you think i'm a sucky moderator because of one mistake. I can't get everything right the first time. That's the whole thing about it. You learn. Knowing that I made a mistake can help me do better in the future. I was just modded a few days ago. I can't get every thing right the first time.

Do you and Anna both meet requirements? We don't just look at the person and say, 'Oh, I don't like her so we won't mod her.' We discuss it, so yes, you would be given the same chance to be promoted.. that is, unless someone argues against you.

We do hold someone's actions against him/her, but I'm not being specific to anyone. Oh, as well as how you carry yourself around the forums.

To be honest, Kiera and I started discussing mods' activity issues long before you brought up any names.

QUOTE(mona lisa @ Jul 31 2006, 3:29 PM)

And you would know that because you've been able to see backstage for how long? We don't shit talk about anyone, at least it doesn't happen anymore. If we talk about a member, it's about how difficult he/she is or how exactly to punish him/her for his/her actions. Is it such a big problem if mods have a topic to socialize? And there is actual discussion involved many times, but of course you would know that.

SPARE ME THE BULLSHIT. Seriously. You're not fooling anyone.

QUOTE(mona lisa @ Jul 31 2006, 3:29 PM)

There is a reason why each person is modded. There are objections by mods to each candidate, whether it be activity issues, atitude problems, etc. If there is a general consensus that someone shouldn't be modded, then they aren't. Besides modding efficiently and decisively (the latter often requires experience), we have to look at those who are friendly. I can think of a few people who are generally good members, are active, and would be able to mod efficently but what they lack is proper attitude. I don't look at whether or not I have a personal grudge against someone.

NO, you're mistaken. You mean if there is a general consensus among those in power.

QUOTE(mona lisa @ Jul 31 2006, 3:29 PM)

If people question how cB is run, would posts like yours be more effective or would trying to get Backstage be better?

It would be more effective if mods actually cared about cB. Don't feed the crap about how you do care. If you did, cB wouldn't be in the state its in now.

QUOTE(mona lisa @ Jul 31 2006, 3:29 PM)

Kiera and I have both discussed each mods' activities. That's why more people have been stepping down as of late. We ask him/her to step down. Sammi has activity issues and Kiera has already PMed her. She actively participates in major discussions which is why we decided to give her another chance. Of course, we're both keeping an eye on her for any improvements.

This is not the first bout of inactivity in her moderating actions; why is it that she keeps getting so many chances?

QUOTE(mona lisa @ Jul 31 2006, 3:29 PM)

The staff is elitist all the time, you say? Do you know some of well enough to say that? Sure, you can usually tell what a person is like from how they post, but it isn't always accurate.

What's with the double standard, then? How do you know what I'm like from how I post?

QUOTE(mona lisa @ Jul 31 2006, 3:29 PM)

If you were referring to me about the last paragraph, I didn't say that the cB revolution was petty or that the by-laws were a waste of time. The cB revolution actually produced something good after all that drama and the by-laws didn't continue as I hoped, but I don't think it was a complete waste of time.

I wasn't referring to anyone; it was a general 'you.'

QUOTE(marzipan @ Jul 31 2006, 3:39 PM)

HOW would i know how to moderate if i've never done it before? I'm learning. i'm trying hard to get it and learn the rules. i'm sorry if you think i'm a sucky moderator because of one mistake. I can't get everything right the first time. That's the whole thing about it. You learn. Knowing that I made a mistake can help me do better in the future. I was just modded a few days ago. I can't get every thing right the first time.

With any job, why would someone be hired if the couldn't even do the basic tasks of that very job? Here, let me make it easy for you. This is not a learn-on-the-job experience.

It wasn't only one instance.

^ She posted that in the acne/pimples thread in Girls' Locker, but she didn't close it until someone had posted..

Jesus had to save the day with this one and close it because Krista was too indecisive.

Oh tsk tsk, Kathleen, there's no need to shout.

Having said that, while discussion of moderator perfomance, if you can call it that (I'd be more apt to refer to this as a bunch of mud slinging, but that's just me - irritable, tired and was just rear ended 5 days after moving into a new town. But I digress), can be productive, this conversation needs to be moved to the moderator perfomance thread.

Although, before I head downstairs to put dinner in the oven really quick, I would like to say that the comment regarding elitism in staff is both narrow minded and unfair. It's not that I don't respect your opinion, it's that I don't see anything to back up that statement. I really don't. Personally, I'm a 30 year old single mom and more than anything I'm described as a very humble person. Also, and I beg your pardon here, don't confuse being succint (which I obviously lack as a talent) with being elitist. I'm not saying you are, but it is a very common misconception, especially when communicating via the internet.

I do all except for the activity-for-at-least-2-months deal. In which case, if you read my application, I justify myself. As ADMINISTRATOR, I was active A LOT. Heck, that's probably why I got promoted from Xanga to People to Head to Admin so quickly. I like how you guys don't inquire about actual cB history. You guys want to pick people who are docile and submissive - those that have no opinions whatsoever. I remember when moderators were memorable. When they had personalities. When they were loved and adored. I guess those days are gone forever.

I know Suzzette told you to stop, but I just had to point to Anna's post for a response to this.


I never said anything about Staff being elitist. Uhm. I think you're confusing me with Anna? As for the yelling thing.. sorry. That's my frustration speaking.

You don't believe me; I can't do anything about it.

Not many regular members actually have anything useful that would help us. Mods usually make the same observations as members do, but I often see members nominating for their friends. One other thing is if each mod has a somewhat different relationship to a certain candidate, we share the experiences, whether or not it favors the applicant.

Then I guess we're not trying hard enough. It doesn't mean we don't give a shit about what we do.

I wasn't aware she was given that many.

I don't claim to know you but I'm not blind when it comes to the way people act towards others and, as I said in my previous post, how they carry themselves around the forum.

^ ^Was pointed towards Anna, not you. I just didn't quote her because I thought it would be obvious. LOL OH well.

Oh okay. Just checking.

What happens when you go somewhere and get a new job? They train you, you have to learn how do to things before you can actually do it right.
There is training and learning involved in becoming a mod.




Neither of those links worked.

Here's the pimples thread:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=145786
Here's where Jesus helped:
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=145332
Happy? It's not like you're even going to agree with me as I continuously hand you guys proof on a silver platter.

QUOTE(Zatanna @ Jul 31 2006, 3:45 PM)

Having said that, while discussion of moderator perfomance, if you can call it that (I'd be more apt to refer to this as a bunch of mud slinging, but that's just me - irritable, tired and was just rear ended 5 days after moving into a new town. But I digress), can be productive, this conversation needs to be moved to the moderator perfomance thread.

Although, before I head downstairs to put dinner in the oven really quick, I would like to say that the comment regarding elitism in staff is both narrow minded and unfair. It's not that I don't respect your opinion, it's that I don't see anything to back up that statement. I really don't. Personally, I'm a 30 year old single mom and more than anything I'm described as a very humble person. Also, and I beg your pardon here, don't confuse being succint (which I obviously lack as a talent) with being elitist. I'm not saying you are, but it is a very common misconception, especially when communicating via the internet.

I wasn't referring to you, per se, because I actually like you, but take a look at that conversational topic backstage. Let me know that it's not elitist simply because it's exclusive to only mods. Tell me that the mods don't talk about members and speculate if not just falsely claim shit because said member is not there to speak for themselves. Because I know that all of that happens.

QUOTE(mona lisa @ Jul 31 2006, 3:56 PM)

I don't claim to know you but I'm not blind when it comes to the way people act towards others and, as I said in my previous post, how they carry themselves around the forum.

Really. So because I have a superiority complex and am too honest, at least on the forum, it defines who I am. Oh, goodie.

QUOTE(StanleyThePanda @ Jul 31 2006, 4:09 PM)

What happens when you go somewhere and get a new job? They train you, you have to learn how do to things before you can actually do it right.
There is training and learning involved in becoming a mod.

Then explain how previous new moderators knew how to do the job correctly, even if they were nervous about doing so. Stop making excuses for Krista. Let her fight her own battles.

^ Moderator at another forum perhaps?
How do you know they didnt ask for help or learn beforehand anyways... oh well, w/e



I see your proof, but read the post before this, mkay?
Yes, you are right. (except the last one looks fine) but like I said you have to learn.