i dont think there is anyway you can abort the fetus without it feeling pain. But what sets it apart from a baby is that it depends on the mother to live, and it isnt concious. It doesn't know its there. Its not intellectual.

^ some of the fetus' have developed enough that they do "think". theres a video about abortions called "the silent scream", which is an ultrasound video of a fetus being aborted. you can see in the video that the fetus is obviously trying to escape the metal pipe that is trying to kil it and its heart rate increases up to twice its normal speed.
and even if they dont "think", does it make any diffrence? its still getting ripped to pieces.

hey, you know there's this video call the begging death? there's a feotus, and it grabs the metal pipe and impales itself.

there's also this video where the feotus starts mouthing the words to "another brick in the wall.

obviously?

my grandfather died of oral cancer after they removed the tumor. his health declined after the operation.

obviously tumor removals are lethal and should be made illegal.

assumptions are the genesis of all screw-ups.

well either way,c riminalizng abortion doesnt solve anything. Women will just do it some other way like back alley or themselves. These illegal abortions more likely to KILL women, and then, in a pro-lifer's logic, twice as many people die. And making it illegal will be imposing pro-life beliefs on a society that doesnt entierly agree. Not everyone thinks its murder, you may think so but billions others dont. Keeping it legal makes everyone happy.

Many pro-lifers believe that even if the mother would die from the birth, she should have the baby anyway, so that probably wouldn't have any effect on their thinking...

It's the not-living thing that has life-value, not the thing that's been living for so long.

Offer me one good example of that.

Well..people are CONSTANTLY saying that the fetus is a life and respect should be given to it, enough respect to not kill it..it just sounds like they care SO much about this fetus that it has more importance than the mother, whose life might be in danger.

Uhh.
Look throughout this entire thread. Many people have replied to me saying that, "It's not fair for the baby to die; the mom already has lived her life, she should give the kid a chance" or something to that effect.

I'll offer an arguement.

If a mother was being shot at, and she used her baby as a shield to save her life, would she be justified in doing so?

In both cases, the mother is sacraficing the baby to save her life. Neither are justified.

^^^^^^ Seeeeeee Justin?

It's not like she can sacrifice herself for the baby in that case. Either the baby would die alone, or they'd die together. If the mom dies, there's nothing to feed the baby, and if the mom's being shot at, the baby's likely to get hit anyway when it's inside her.

If you mean when the baby's already born, really, I wouldn't be so against the mother if that happened...she dies or the baby dies. I would probably save my own kid, but if someone didn't, I wouldn't hold that against them. It's human nature to try to live.

My arguement is a little stronger than "the baby hasn't had a chance to live yet."

I would not sacrifice the life of friend in order to save my own life. I think it's pretty cowardly to knowingly let someone else die in your place. How much more for my own child?

Also, wouldn't it be more sensible to make it so both live? I don't know of a case that delivering a baby could kill the mother while having a c-section is not an option.

abortion is so wrong its your stupif mistake for going out and having sex in the first place and getting pregnant don't make the baby suffer, and yes they are alive i read an article when they did a sugery on a fetus and it reached out and touched the doctor:ohmy:

if its thru rape explain it to your parents/guardians and its not your fault have it and put it up for adoption it is still your child

mother is dying of a disease. the cure will kill the baby.

she can either carry the baby to term, in which case she will die, or she can take the cure, and the baby will die.

That's not fair, Mr. Acid, Justin isn't here to argue with you...


But good example anyway.


You know, while I agree that abortion is just... wrong when a chick to get knocked up because she sluts around, but not all cases of abortions are like that.

You say that a girl can go to her parents and explain the rape and so everything will be okay? No, it won't be. Being raped is one of the most, if not the most, traumatic experience a person can suffer. Do you know that some girls just want to die after a rape? A woman experience the physical rape and then the mental rape after. How do you compensate for all that pain, anger, and loss of self? Some people have the mental strength to go through with the pregnancy, some people do not. I can't believe anyone would fault them if they do not have this strength.

Whether it's cowardly or not isn't relevant at all...

And there's plenty of cases in which a C-section is not an option. My aunt had to kill her baby during labor so she wouldn't die. I'm not exactly sure why, but I know that's what happened. It was a big family issue. She couldn't have any more kids afterwards ever.

My mother had me at age 17, pregnant at 16. Abortion was most definitely an option, and one which she was encouraged to take at that time. She did not. Personally, as one voice for the billions upon billions of unborn fetuses created in cases where abortion has been considered, practiced, or ruled out since abortion first became legal, I have to say I am thankful that my mother did not discredit, or dismiss the value of my life when I was nothing more than a brand new fetus, but chose, instead, to allowed me life. We all started out that very same way. Even the earliest phase of human development is no less significant than any other in order for a life to be brought into this world. No matter if you view it as taking a human life or not, a human's life is prevented when aborted.

Nonetheless, it is legal, and countless abortions happen everyday. A couple of my own dearest friends have chosen that option. While I've no doubt in where I stand on this issue, nor did they- judging others, especially my closest friends, is never my right nor my place. So, when one of my friends has made the choice to have an abortion, I felt it my duty to be nothing less or more to them than the friend they'd known me to be up to that point. A woman has to live with her own choice. A real friend can and will always be a friend. So long as the law supports abortion, abortion is going to be an option, even for those whom we know and love, whether we like it or not.

^ your mother made the choice. she decided your life was worth it, right?

what's wrong with letting the mother decide?
i don't see christian conservatives stopping the violence in darfur. i mean, come on. women and children raped by soldiers and rebels alike...

more people die from wars, AIDs, etc. than from abortion. yet they do nothing.

Oh, so you think that an 18-year-old mother (for instance) has lived her life already? Or worse, that a 14-year-old, raped girl has lived her life and she should give the kid a chance?

I don't think so.

Taylor``

Whaaat?

Are you capable of reading?

Taylor``

Well, I'm opposed to abortion. Cause, what did that living thing done to you so you can it's life? Anyways if you dont want, there's always adoption. Somebody's bound to want it. It's not like it's never going to be loved. And who knows, she could probably be the next mother Teresa or he could probably be the next Pope.

@ Taylor, i dont think you should be that mean

hm....i'm not sure but i think maybe abortion should be allowed...i mean it really is up to the mom to decided, right??...and others shouldn't interfere because they have their own reasons for the abortion...so it really is up to the mom to decide...

how about this?

in cases of rape ,incest, or danger to the mother's health, abortions are required.

in all other cases, abortions are illegal.

No, I don't think that at all...the exact opposite, actually. People have said that to me...

I'm for keeping abortion legal...

What are you talking about? I think you read me wrong.



Justin, anyone can go to an abortion clinic and say they were raped.
Also, contraception isn't infallible.
I agree that people shouldn't really get abortions unless they actually need to, but it's a matter of choice. Anyone and everyone should be given the choice...

Like I've said three zillion times, a case-by-case law is not going to work.

Aaaaah, no, I didn't know who you quoted.. so I quoted that.. Hahahah.. who did you quote? (I hate repetition)

Taylor``



Sorry, not good enough. I don't like the thought that the government can tell me when I must have a child and when not. It's a choice I can make. It's freedom. That's why I came to f**king North America, damn it.

Taylor``