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 May 20 2004, 09:09 AM
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should animals be used in experiments?
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May 22 2004, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE Then why are we using animals that arent similiar to us in some tests, like rabbits, pigs, dogs and cats? Pigs ARE similar to us, pig organs are sometimes used in organ transplants because they're so similar QUOTE noooo!!! why would you want to test on animals? animals and humans are different... if you wanted to test... test on a HUMAN! That would be the more.. moral approach I guess.. but realistically, its just not feasible because few, if any human would willingly volunteer for some untested product they might die testing |
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May 22 2004, 06:18 PM
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 technicolor girl Group: Member Posts: 1,075 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 4,104 |
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May 22 2004, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE unseen they suffer unheard they cry in agony they linger in loneliness they die I know its not very moral you could say, but what else can we do? Read my post above |
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May 22 2004, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 22 2004, 6:21 PM) I know its not very moral you could say, but what else can we do? I completely agree. On one hand it is animals dying on the other hand it is finding cures for cancer and other diseases. i think people out weigh animals |
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May 22 2004, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE On one hand it is animals dying on the other hand it is finding cures for cancer and other diseases. i think people out weigh animals Yes, its kinda like survival of the fittest, in order for our species to survive and combat these illnesses, other species must die, heartless I know, but its reality |
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May 24 2004, 08:48 AM
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QUOTE(phatty @ May 22 2004, 11:18 PM) people that protest against animal testing always seem to use pictures of cute furry little animals. I think that's to get false sympathy. |
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May 24 2004, 11:05 AM
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What about big scary ones? My hunting dog that can tear you to shreds in minutes is an animal just like that cute little abandoned cat on the corner.
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May 24 2004, 01:49 PM
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rookie Group: Member Posts: 723 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 2,291 |
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 24 2004, 4:05 PM) What about big scary ones? My hunting dog that can tear you to shreds in minutes is an animal just like that cute little abandoned cat on the corner. Is that question directed at me? What I'm saying is, why don't they use pictures of big scary animals or dirty ugly ones to promote animal rights? - it's because people won't feel as much sympathy for those kind of animals being mistreated. That's reality. |
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May 24 2004, 02:06 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 24 2004, 1:49 PM) Is that question directed at me? What I'm saying is, why don't they use pictures of big scary animals or dirty ugly ones to promote animal rights? - it's because people won't feel as much sympathy for those kind of animals being mistreated. That's reality. But I like my scary hunting dog. |
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May 24 2004, 03:24 PM
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rookie Group: Member Posts: 723 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 2,291 |
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ May 24 2004, 7:06 PM) But I like my scary hunting dog. but would you like some one else's scary hunting dog? Damn, I'm going way off topic... |
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May 24 2004, 03:32 PM
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Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 24 2004, 3:24 PM) but would you like some one else's scary hunting dog? Damn, I'm going way off topic... Comrade Red's Hunting Rule #1: Dog good, Kalashnikov better  .
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May 25 2004, 12:30 AM
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 Hi! I'm Dani :) Group: Member Posts: 5,637 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,369 |
i dont think that animals should b experimented on b cuz its animal cruelty which is wrong, instead they should probably use these one substitutions (i forgot wat its called) that has human skin cells in it n will react to chemicals like human skin realli does.
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May 25 2004, 12:46 AM
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QUOTE i dont think that animals should b experimented on b cuz its animal cruelty which is wrong, instead they should probably use these one substitutions (i forgot wat its called) that has human skin cells in it n will react to chemicals like human skin realli does. but what if we're testing other treatments? things not just pertaining to the skin? then what? and Minda.. what was that whole episode with the hunting dog? |
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May 25 2004, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 22 2004, 3:09 AM) Most people that argue for things like the war in Iraq and the death penalty (about how some innocent people get convicted), use the following argument: "We must sacrifice for the welfare of others". So if that's true, then surely the sacrifice of a few animals to save thousands of human lives isn't a bad thing at all. a few? millions would be a better number --- support your opinion with facts or resonable arguments |
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May 25 2004, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ May 25 2004, 12:46 AM) but what if we're testing other treatments? things not just pertaining to the skin? then what? and Minda.. what was that whole episode with the hunting dog? I said that I'd choose a Kalashnikov over a hunting dog any day. Mikhail Kalashnikov is the designer of the AK-47, AKM, and AK-74, among other things. I just like saying "Kalashnikov" better than "AK". |
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May 25 2004, 07:51 PM
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 Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
It's cruel alright, to use animals for expiriments. However, to see humans suffer because we cannot find test subjects for treatments is a bit crueler.
If a death of an animal can go towards betterment for science of health, then I suppose it's worth the sacrifice. BUT, there are disturbing people who would very much like to see animals suffer. I've read articles about people who eat monkey brains while they are alive! Now that's cruelty. |
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May 25 2004, 08:06 PM
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 always confused Group: Member Posts: 163 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 15,228 |
no,
 if they need to experiment with the product then find some other way.....how would u like pple comin to ur home, yankin you out of bed and put experamental stuff on to you???
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May 25 2004, 08:07 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(FlyingFries @ May 25 2004, 8:06 PM) no, if they need to experiment with the product then find some other way.....how would u like pple comin to ur home, yankin you out of bed and put experamental stuff on to you???What if it's not 'products' but on a drug that could be the cure for aids or cancer? |
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May 25 2004, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE(onenonly101 @ May 22 2004, 11:26 AM) it is not the same thing at all. Animals are not people. I really don't care for animals i mean if someone tortured them then i would get upset or somthing because that isn't right but anything i don't care rabbits are similar to us. they have 44 chromosomes We have 46... |
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May 25 2004, 09:10 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE it is not the same thing at all. Animals are not people. I really don't care for animals i mean if someone tortured them then i would get upset or somthing because that isn't right but anything i don't care IMHO, that kind of view on animals is too extreme in the sense that you do not consider that animals can feel pain and suffer as humans do. In fact, many animals have maternal love that most human mothers pale in comparision. They can cry, they can certainly feel. |
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May 25 2004, 09:18 PM
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We're the alpha species. Better to test on some animal then some human.
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May 25 2004, 09:23 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(WildGriffin @ May 25 2004, 9:18 PM) We're the alpha species. Better to test on some animal then some human. I agree, but these tests must serve a purpose that's worthy of the life of an animal. 
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May 25 2004, 09:27 PM
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Master Debater Group: Member Posts: 1,066 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 15,719 |
QUOTE I agree, but these tests must serve a purpose that's worthy of the life of an animal. Alright, lets take a rat who's born and kept only to be tested on. What's it's life worth to you? |
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May 25 2004, 09:42 PM
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Quand j'étais jeune... Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 |
QUOTE(WildGriffin @ May 25 2004, 9:27 PM) Alright, lets take a rat who's born and kept only to be tested on. What's it's life worth to you? Each life has its own worth. That rat that's being tested on may turned out to be the one rat that will carry the cure to whatever sickness that's being studied. That rat's life will worth the lives that will be saved. After all, if it weren't for that rat, all those 'saved' people wouldn't stand a chance. Now that is a little extreme, but life shouldn't be taken lightly. |
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Jun 24 2004, 04:57 PM
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NO NO NO NO
thats torture.... wat if it would be humans that r tested on.... have u seen any animal testing pictures.... its horrible  my friend did their research project on it and its not a good thing to see
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