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Man Claims to Be Christ
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post Dec 31 2005, 07:07 PM
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A Manhattan man's holiday spirits soared to celestial heights on Friday when a judge gave him permission to change his name to Jesus Christ.

Jose Luis Espinal (42) said he was "happy" and "grateful" that the judge approved the change, effective immediately. Espinal said he was moved to seek the name change about a year ago when it dawned on him, "I am the person that is that name."

Espinal, who acted as his own lawyer, got the change approved by Manhattan Civil Court Judge Diane Lebedeff, who said she was "satisfied that this application is neither novel, nor would granting it pose practical problems".

The judge said name-change applications usually are not denied just because the change might cause practical difficulties or be thought unwise, as long as a person with the same name does not object to the proposed change.

She cited a 2001 Utah case in which a man legally changed his name to "Santa Claus" and a Washington, DC, case earlier this year in which a name-change applicant obtained a driver's licence and Social Security card in the name of "Jesus Christ".

The judge compared those cases with that of actor Peter Lorre's widow, who objected to a man who said he was the actor's relative changing his name to "Peter Lorie".

Though laws differ by jurisdiction, the judge said, there seems to be a nationwide consensus that a name cannot be changed to a number. She cited a South Dakota court ruling against a change to "1069" and a California court rejecting "III" as name.

The judge said she held a hearing in which Espinal, who also uses the last name Tejeda, testified. She said he was aware of the "common-law right to assume another name without legal proceedings so long as the change is not made to deceive or perpetrate a fraud or to avoid an obligation", but wanted to go the formal route anyway.

The judge said Espinal's "reasons were primarily those applicable to his own private religious beliefs and he stated no desire to use his proposed name to secure publicity, to proselytise, to fund-raise or advise others that he had been cloaked by the courts or government with a religious authority".

Espinal, who is unemployed and unmarried and has no children, said: "This was not done for any reason other than I am that person. You're dealing with the real deal."

Discuss. How do we know he's telling the truth? How do we know he's another religious zealot?
 
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post Dec 31 2005, 07:55 PM
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What do his actions reflect? Personally, I don't care what he chooses to call himself.
 
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post Jan 1 2006, 12:34 AM
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saying h e is jesus proves nothing. his is obviously a aging man's desparate attempt at notoriety after a life that hasn't had him reap any benefis.
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post Jan 2 2006, 05:30 PM
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What is changing his name going to do? What is a claim?

My name stated is MF Doom. I am your Lord and Savior. Worship Me.

Can I make headlines?
 
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post Jan 2 2006, 10:18 PM
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I don't think the real Jesus would do that. stupid.
 
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post Jan 2 2006, 10:22 PM
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Hah. You can't really prove anything just by saying you are (blank). It's not really a big deal to me. Unless he starts getting a big group of followers or something...
 
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post Jan 3 2006, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE(HolyMoly @ Jan 2 2006, 11:18 PM)
I don't think the real Jesus would do that. stupid.
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Am I the only person who caught this? Jesus declared he was the son of Christ; thats one of the reasons he faced so much persecution and scrutiny.

What a dimwitted response.
 
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post Jan 10 2006, 12:01 AM
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does her actually think hes jesus? i guess it doesnt really matter what he changes his name too.
 
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post Jan 10 2006, 12:40 AM
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QUOTE(MF Doom @ Jan 3 2006, 5:03 PM)
Am I the only person who caught this? Jesus declared he was the son of Christ; thats one of the reasons he faced so much persecution and scrutiny.

What a dimwitted response.
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Jesus never talked like that. He was never like "Check me out, I'm Jesus Christ! The real mccoy!"
 
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post Jan 10 2006, 12:43 AM
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^ no, i think he said something like... i'm the son of god and you're betraying god!
 
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post Jan 10 2006, 12:46 AM
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Well he's not Jesus Christ. Jesus would not be concerned with the frivolousness of a legal name. Jesus would be saving the world, one person at a time.

And I seem to recall something about the end of time before Jesus returns.
 
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post Jan 10 2006, 12:48 AM
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george bush got reelected. that's good enough for me.

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post Jan 10 2006, 12:56 AM
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george bush got reelected.  that's good enough for me.

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post Jan 10 2006, 03:58 AM
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QUOTE(sporadic @ Jan 2 2006, 10:22 PM)
Hah. You can't really prove anything just by saying you are (blank). It's not really a big deal to me. Unless he starts getting a big group of followers or something...
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I agree
 
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post Mar 12 2006, 03:13 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jan 10 2006, 12:48 AM) *
george bush got reelected. that's good enough for me.

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lmao.

and of course this is bull. but if he wants to name himself that... whatever floats your boat...
 
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post Mar 12 2006, 03:15 PM
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uhh? just saying his name is jesus christ doesnt mean he is jesus christ.
 
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post Mar 12 2006, 05:43 PM
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i think the bigger issue here is who the f**k would want to change their name to 1069 or III?? that shit is funny tho had me thinkin wat number i would change my name to if i could
 
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post Mar 12 2006, 09:18 PM
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bigger issue it may be, but it's not on topic. this is about whether or not the man could be jesus christ.

to which i say: may christians believe in the second coming of the christ. when he does come, he will be thrown in a mental institute for saying he's god and refusing to prove it because "you should be faithful".

he would join the ranks of thousands of others who also claim to be god.
 
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post Mar 13 2006, 05:48 PM
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What I'm thinking is, hey, what if he actually IS jesus christ? Granted, chances are he isn't considering he isn't saving people or anything. But, I mean, at least from my crappy knowledge of religious history, no one really believed Jesus much when he said that he was the son of God, right?
 
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Let's learn how Jesus got his name.

QUOTE(Luke 1:26-38)
In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin's name was Mary. The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you."

Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end."

"How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?"

The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be barren is in her sixth month. For nothing is impossible with God."

"I am the Lord's servant," Mary answered. "May it be to me as you have said." Then the angel left her.
 
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post Mar 13 2006, 10:27 PM
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okay... so a bride to be turns up pregnant. she claims she's still a virgin, and that an angel told her she would have the son of god. her son is named jesus and grows up thinking he's the son of god.

it's the looney house for both of them in this modern world. even if all the people dealing them them were devout christians.
 
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okay... so a bride to be turns up pregnant. she claims she's still a virgin, and that an angel told her she would have the son of god. her son is named jesus and grows up thinking he's the son of god.

it's the looney house for both of them in this modern world. even if all the people dealing them them were devout christians.


So I guess if you have no response to scripture passages, you ignore them. I see.
 
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post Mar 14 2006, 01:06 AM
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i thought i did reply to it.

if someone said what mary said in that scripture passage, the looney house for them.
 
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i thought i did reply to it.

if someone said what mary said in that scripture passage, the looney house for them.


No. Instead of taking the passage I quoted, you chose to dismiss it as a made up story.
 
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post Mar 14 2006, 08:48 PM
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^ no, i was trying to show how that would sound if someone said it in the modern day

because jesus is supposed to have a second coming. and i'm trying to say that if he does have one, no one will believe him unless he shows some miracles, which is apparently against the way god works, as he works on faith alone, so won't prove himself.
 
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