i actually agree with you on jusun not being active enough

cb2 didnt make the boards more active, but it made more people use the layouts we have here because its much more simple

hopefully cb3 will be another upgrade but in different aspects of the site rather than just the layouts section. though, looking back at cb2 its not very likely is it.

maybe cb would be more active IF you actually included the members on changes and ideas for building up cb. its exciting and rewarding to be apart of something like that

Well, I didn't intend to come across that way, Steven (yo pusha). But I still feel that the subforums mentioned had a lot of potential. :/

I'm inclined to go w/ Steven's point on this one.

Radhika,
It is a shame that you unregistered from CB, because you are a great member.
And I understand your reasons for being upset about the Cars, Current Events(etc.) being taken away.
And about Jusun, please remember that he may not post a lot in the community center. But he is either active backstage, or now finishing up CB3. The fact that he even brought up a topic about making changes, and looking at the member input says something. Most people would just talk to the staff, make the changes, and not even listen to the members.
But your requests (and everyone elses) are being heard, and we KNOW that people are upset about those forums being taken away.
It is your choice whether or not to unregister, or when your time has been done here. However, I would give all this time to smoothen out.
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everyone please I beg you to be mature about this situation.
Staff is talking about all of this, so don't think that you are going unheard.
Be patient. And if something doesn't go your way in the end, i'm sorry.


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^I fully disagree with that.

Breathe in.

Breathe out.

Okay. Got your temper back in check now? Good.

You need to stop putting the blame on Jusun. If people didn't agree with him he wouldn't have done anything. It was a collective agreement, and if you actually read the topic you'd SEE that he had support for this.

And you have to have some faith in the moderators. We're not going to let something that is in high demand disappear, we WILL take everything into account. Believe me, the last thing we want is a dictatorship. I'd just appreciate it if you would be a little humanly polite about this.\


Oh, and by the way, Jusun KNOWS he's not active. Jusun KNOWS he's not up to make all these decisions, he's said so himself. The last thing he wants is to make decisions by himself, and that's also the last thing the mods want. He's perfectly knowledgeable about that.

Heather - I can see where you're coming from. Jusun did make a lot of big decisions unexpectedly --it's not like the mods knew about this months in advance.

Personally, I think Jusun is making decisions with the best interest for cB. I'm not that active, so I guess maybe my perception is biased.

Also, even if you say he's inactive, you never know--he might be viewing cB secretly. Also, no one has to log on to cB to see what's going on. Also, just because he doesn't post in the lounge, doesn't mean he doesn't know what's going on... Plus, even IF he's not here, we can have other ways of contacting him, without the use of PMing. I mean, he does have aim and email.

But anyway, yes there is that thread where you guys can post suggestions. Jusun WILL look over any feedback, whether it be positive or negative. I too am unhappy with the diminishing of the subforums, but hey you never know about cB3... They'll probably come back.

Also, Steven -- even though in the past, we were fine without the subforums, now cB has gotten bigger. There's so many more topics now on those different topics that belonged in the subforums. Just throwing them into the lounge isn't going to make it better, is it?

Edit - I concur with what Katie said. If you think about it, Jusun does ask us. It's not like one of those decisions that are like "I'll do it my way and no one can change it." Jusun doesn't make all the rules and decisions. Just look at the by-laws. You can't deny that Jusun did want feedback. Perhaps this is just a test. This shows that this little change really does make a difference.

I hold the upmost respect for jusun and his decisions...he is trying to organize a forum that has outgrown it's limits. i wish people would be more understanding...and allow this transition to take place without such a fuss. Cb2 when first released...was skeptical at first...as well...but look out it turned out? please hold your tongue until the release of cb3..and the majority of disatisfaction...will help the parts that need editing..later on...but right now...jusun needs time to...finish this project off...get off his back...

he's takes your suggestions into consideration...he created this site...he could do it without any of your input at all.

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"please hold your tongue "
correction: *please withhold from judging something you have not seen yet.*

i apologize im getting irritated by the lack of confidence...in our members

hey christina

how was your day? my day was alright, it was pretty windy and cold though.

but i respectfully disagree with your post. lets start in alphabetical order with cars. that forum was pretty inactive to begin with, with only about 10 topics that had been posted in for the previous month. 10 threads wouldn't necesarily clog up the lounge forum, would it? i hope not, but if it does then it could be merged into technology. i just see no reason supporting a dead forum. then the current events forum. i had a bigger problem with that one. current events is pretty broad. the winter olympics is a current event. the new kanye west cd is a current event. the new jordans coming out is a current event. i think that was perfectly fine in lounge and i saw no reason whatsoever to move it. the health forum i covered before, but i dont care that strongly if it stays in interests or not.

radhika! how are you? my apologies if i came off condescending but come on.. read your post again. i know you are trying to make changes but i dont think dissing the founder of cb and the forum itself is the right path.. neither is arrogance, i would know lol.. but come on, DEMANDING the forums back? you are just asking for someone to say "if you dont like it than leave". lol

peace im out for the night i think
xo, steven ding

I agree with this 100%



I dont think anyone has to hold their tongue. This is what the feedback forum was created for, whether it is to give negative or postive feedback. Since the staff is currently dicussing this issue feedback of any sort is welcome. We are never going to be to busy to listen to what the members, the people who make this forum possible, have to say.

Mmm Steven, I see what you mean. lol I guess I'm just a little unhappy about the Health disappearing. You're right about the cars forum, though. But even so, I don't think they should really be thrown into technology, much less into the lounge. They just don't seem to really belong anywhere, imo.

I still think the Current Events forum deserves a chance (as I do think of all subforums), but now that I've read your post you're right--many things could be current events. Plus, some might argue what might or might not be current. Also, there's topics in the past that were current and are now past events, yet would they be moved into current events? Now that I think about it, it is very broad. Perhaps we should've had a better discussion about the forum -- all it's pros and cons, before making the final decision, and now them disappearing.


And to Rico - If you think about it, some people don't want change. Change is good, but sometimes it's not. I guess you could say that perhaps Jusun's taking a gamble here, but you're right in the fact that we never know how big it will be. But, keep in mind, like Kiera said, feedback is important. Do you honestly think that Jusun did all of this himself? The interest forums -- there were suggestions taken. Sure us moderators do take part in decisions, but I'd have to say that cB2 is still built and developed on a foundation that relies on the community's feeback, positive or negative.

I absolutely agree with you as well. You make an excellent point.

here's a couple of words:

it's called stats. these allow jusun to know if the forums or active or not, thus resulting in their deletion.

well, you guys knew about cb3, and i think i remember him considering some of the suggestions we made for it too. it would just be nice if we werent told to keep it a secret until um like now?

its just
how long ago was it that jusun was beginning to build cb3? a longgg time ago
he may be active backstage but thats just it, its backstage


cb wouldnt be much without all of its active members that have built the skins section up tramendously submitted tutorials and helped enforce the rules(what mods do on a daily basis), doesnt that entitle everyone to a little headway, mods, official members, official designers?

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you can't assume that... we have no idea...how it would of turned out...
On another note you gonna be my valentine?



true as that my be...i just dislike members who refuse to give new things a try...i mean...i agree with you on the foundation of cb2 was built on both negitive and positive inputs. But cb3 has not even been release as of yet...and people are already bashing the idea....of this new forum...without giving it a chance...how does that not irritate you?

Why do all forums have to be buzing with activity? It's quite obvious we love them.

Jusun CLEARLY stated that if someone can come up with a CLEAR and well thought out FULL layout of the forums that he would lean towards using it. He ALSO said that he'd rather see that then us just sitting around accomplishing nothing through this back and forth conversation. Rico is right, we're just repeating the same things over and over again to each other.

didnt jusun say that about cb2? i remember pming him about it, but there wasnt very much elaboration on that

I'm sorry if I came off as angry and tempermental. It's just that I'd been lurking for so long and things were just getting to me, that's all.

But those words were said in a flurry of angry feelings and all. I really need to stop and think sometimes. My apologies, everyone.

if you want information, here's what i think i'm able to share:

cb3 is coming soon.
it takes cb2, which moved layouts out of the forum, a step further.
it's not orange.
the reason why the subforums aren't being reorganized right now is because of work on cb3.
we're a bit short on design staff.

draw your conclusions.

ask questions, if you want.

Hmm maybe I got it confused but I believe he said that in the thread in the lounge that he made.

Rico, you're right that cb3 isn't out yet. I'd have to say NO DUH --no offense though, I'm just being blunt. But I mean, I guess the big difference is that more is being done to cB (including the forums) with the coming of cB3. Whereas, in cB2, it was more of just the skins/layouts itself. The forum stayed the same. Then later, things got added--the extra subforums and whatnot.

It's kind of reverse now, if you think about it. That's why I'm saying it's not the same... The forum is changing as it is, before cB3 is released. But I'd have to say that people should be a little more accepting, only in the fact that we don't know exactly what is to come from cB3--I mean, look at the possibilities:
the subforums might be back and stay the same
the forums might be back with MORE subforums
the subforums that are gone now will remain gone and the forum will stay the same as it is right now
the suboforums will be gone and more subforums will be gone
OR there might be different subforums with other subforums and blah blah blah


So yea.. the possibilities are endless :P

Hmm, hey guys...uh...you don't have to post in a thread to be active. There are these things called eyes and they enable you to read.

I know that Jusun isn't as active as a lot of us, but now that I've been looking, I've seen him around the community forums just reading and skimming through.

If I had been in his place that night, I would have thought the same - the thread was going so fast, this must be all the community-wide feedback needed. He just made a mistake.

Also, the build-up of topics on this really isn't going to make them come back faster. Believe it or not, we do take members' opinions into account and we do take action.

They are steps leading up to cb3....with that understood... the question of you being irritated of people not giving this a chance... still has yet to be awnsered.
I just want your honest opinion about this. i don't want to make it seem like im putting you on the spot. so if you do not want to awnser this question you do not have to.

Are you saying cB3 in general, as a chance, or the subforums thing?

I'm all up for cB3--most definitely. People are bound to be irritated by it.

As for the subforum thing, I do want them back, or at least one of them back, that's all.

We should realize that this a transition period, it won't last forever.

no, but it was entered intoin haste, with the removal of subforums without adequate consultation.

and someone pointed out the bylaws as evidence of member input. yup. input. but NO OUTPUT TO MATCH. as far as i know, the last time jusun so much as looked at that forum was when he gave me and justin permission to appoint the original members of the bylaws staff. apparently, what we're waiting for is approval...

if he is looking without posting, he would stil have had plenty of time to get round to this. furthermore, so could mona and christina.

the probelm isnt a lack fo member input, it is a lack of results stemming from this input