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sadolakced acid
post Feb 7 2006, 11:10 PM
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yet i think it's safe to say that a completely unmylenated feotus is incapable of feeling?
 
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post Feb 8 2006, 05:15 PM
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A lack of myelin does cause nervous signals to be impaired or lost, so in theory, a completely unmyelinated nervous system would be completely nonfunctional. I'm not sure when myelination begins to happen, and a person can clearly be functional while some myelination is still occuring.
 
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post Feb 8 2006, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Feb 7 2006, 9:10 PM)
yet i think it's safe to say that a completely unmylenated feotus is incapable of feeling?
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Your entire argument concerning this issue rests primarily on the dehumanization of the abortion process, and only the extremists would try to justify abortion because a fetus hasn't completely mylenated and is different from you and I simply because it has no functioning nerve cells.
 
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post Feb 8 2006, 06:21 PM
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rather; i'm pointing out the absurdity of saying a feotus can feel at 3 months.


i'm not saying use mylenation as the benchmark for humanity.

however; i am saying that anything completely unmylenated is not wholely human.

mylenation has not happened in the 1st and 2nd trimesters; therefore, feotuses in the 1st and 2nd trimester cannot feel and mothers seeking abortions should be accurately told this, instead of getting the one sided anti-abortion view that will probably say something about pain to the feotus.
 
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post Feb 8 2006, 08:35 PM
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I know there are 40+ pages to this, but I only read the first. I believe that it's the woman/girl's choice whether they want an abortion or not, some people think it's murder, other don't. But if you are an abortion protestor outside a clinic and you see a young girl trying to get in, but you have all tried to block the entrance (yes, it's a little dramatic, but just go with me) Do you know her? or her family? or her situation? Do you really have the right to tell this girl that she cannot have an abortion? Maybe she was a rape victim, why would anyone want to even see their rapists child? Isn't it enough that they just got raped? Yes, she could give up the baby for adoption, but for some time, she'd have to drop out of high school, she may lose all repect from her parents, her classmates, her teachers, all for one mistake. I think that it all depends on the situation, and people who are against abortion should take into consideration other people's situations, and how they feel. Abortion should be a personal choice. One opinion should not choose for you.
 
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post Feb 8 2006, 11:56 PM
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QUOTE(hirador @ Feb 8 2006, 6:35 PM)
I know there are 40+ pages to this, but I only read the first. I believe that it's the woman/girl's choice whether they want an abortion or not, some people think it's murder, other don't. But if you are an abortion protestor outside a clinic and you see a young girl trying to get in, but you have all tried to block the entrance (yes, it's a little dramatic, but just go with me) Do you know her? or her family? or her situation? Do you really have the right to tell this girl that she cannot have an abortion? Maybe she was a rape victim, why would anyone want to even see their rapists child? Isn't it enough that they just got raped? Yes, she could give up the baby for adoption, but for some time, she'd have to drop out of high school, she may lose all repect from her parents, her classmates, her teachers, all for one mistake. I think that it all depends on the situation, and people who are against abortion should take into consideration other people's situations, and how they feel. Abortion should be a personal choice. One opinion should not choose for you.
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Most of the people who stand against abortion in this thread agree with you. However, when you see examples of women who abuse the privilege (upwards of 9 or 10 times), you can't honestly justify the crap spewing out of your mouth.
 
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post Feb 9 2006, 01:44 AM
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^ it isn't crap; it's quite valid, if overrepeated.

but i see no reason to curtail the rights of the majority because of the abuse of a minority.
 
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post Feb 9 2006, 03:35 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Feb 8 2006, 11:44 PM)
^ it isn't crap; it's quite valid, if overrepeated.

but i see no reason to curtail the rights of the majority because of the abuse of a minority.
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The abuses of that minority are becoming far too commonplace.

And on another note, who cares if a fetus can't physically feel the pain of abortion?

The definition of fetus is "unborn human" -- who are you to dictate that these unborn humans don't deserve the rights we have?
 
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post Feb 9 2006, 05:06 PM
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Because they unborn and not living.
 
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post Feb 9 2006, 05:16 PM
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Because they unborn and not living.
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Then are you for partial birth abortions?
 
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post Feb 9 2006, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Feb 9 2006, 12:56 AM)
Most of the people who stand against abortion in this thread agree with you.  However, when you see examples of women who abuse the privilege (upwards of 9 or 10 times), you can't honestly justify the crap spewing out of your mouth.
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I'm saying it should be a personal choice. I don't think it's any of our business how many times people get abortions, although I completly agree with you, it's abuse of the privilege.
 
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post Feb 9 2006, 09:16 PM
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Kryo, how many times have I stated my views in this thread? Go back and read. This is ridiculous that I keep getting questioned on the same things. I agree with you on everything except one point: all or none.
 
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post Feb 10 2006, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE(disco infiltrator @ Feb 9 2006, 9:16 PM)
Kryo, how many times have I stated my views in this thread? Go back and read. This is ridiculous that I keep getting questioned on the same things. I agree with you on everything except one point: all or none.
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Well, I entered "partial birth" into the search engine and found that you made no mention of it yet.
 
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post Feb 10 2006, 05:22 PM
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OK, I will explain my views YET AGAIN.

I do not agree with more than one abortion. I don't agree with anything that could potentially hurt the fetus, such as partial birth abortion if it's late enough for the fetus to be capable of feeling it. I am not in support of abortions after the 3rd week of pregnancy unless birth would be detremental to the mother or the baby. I don't think people that got drunk and were slutty and got pregnant should be able to have abortions. However, the law cannot be made case sensitive like that because there's too many exceptions and every potential mother thinks that their situation is dire enough for an abortion. The law made will come down to all (before the third week ends) or none. I personally hold the quality of life over the quantity. Yes, abortion cases that, by my and your standards, are considered legit only make up 5% of abortions each year. But let's look at some statistics.

# There are approximately 46 million abortions conducted each year, 20 million of them obtained illegally.
# There are approximately 126,000 abortions conducted each day.

Now, what will happen here if we outlaw abortions? Throughout the world, 20 million abortions are conducted illegally because these women aren't allowed to have them. Do you know how that happens? They unfold wire hangers into a straight line and stick them inside them selves to abort the pregnancy. Is that really any better? Is that what you'd rather have? Apparently, that's what's being pushed for, and to that, I very strongly disagree.

Approximately 1,370,000 abortions occur annually in the U.S. according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute.

Now let's look at that 5% in a number. 68,500. Now, I don't know about you, but if it's really the quantity of life that you're concerned about (which seems to be the case), I would think you would much rather prevent 68,500 potential lives from happening rather than kill 68,500 people who have already lived some of their life and still have a lot more to go.

A lot of people say that their opposition to abortion is based on their faith. However, 43% of women getting an abortion claimed they were Protestant, while 27% claimed they were Catholic. If Christianity actually is against abortion, why would 70% of abortion patients be Christian?

Let's take a look at contraception uses. Many of those against abortion make the claim that people use abortion as a form of contraception and don't really try otherwise.

* 54% of women having an abortion said they used some form of contraception during the month they became pregnant.
* 90% of women who are at risk for unplanned pregnancies are using contraception
* 8% of women having an abortion say they have never used contraception.
* It is possible that up to 43% of the decline in abortion from 1994-2000 can be attributed to using emergency contraception.

How is that possible? A majority of those getting abortions did try to prevent it. Abortion is used as a last resort for the most part, not an option out.

So, basically, we think the same way, but for me, I would rather go with all allowed over none.
 
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post Feb 11 2006, 04:22 PM
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Abortion is wrong and i think it should be consider murder. You are killing an innocent baby. You never know what they could have done in life.THey could have found a cure for some disease or made a life-changing invention. Also what would of happen if you were an abortion? Your mom chose for you to live so you should follow what your mother chose.

If you dont want the child then give it up for adoption for there are people who aren't capable of having a child and would love to have your child. If you didn't mean to have the child then you should of been more safe. You have to learn from your mistakes so you choose what to do and you have to live with what comes after.

I just think it's wrong because the baby never did anything to you and everyone deserves to live and accomplish things in life that may help others live their life better.
 
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post Feb 11 2006, 11:56 PM
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QUOTE(disco infiltrator @ Feb 10 2006, 3:22 PM)
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Now, what will happen here if we outlaw abortions? Throughout the world, 20 million abortions are conducted illegally because these women aren't allowed to have them. Do you know how that happens? They unfold wire hangers into a straight line and stick them inside them selves to abort the pregnancy. Is that really any better? Is that what you'd rather have? Apparently, that's what's being pushed for, and to that, I very strongly disagree.

Approximately 1,370,000 abortions occur annually in the U.S. according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute.

Now let's look at that 5% in a number. 68,500. Now, I don't know about you, but if it's really the quantity of life that you're concerned about (which seems to be the case), I would think you would much rather prevent 68,500 potential lives from happening rather than kill 68,500 people who have already lived some of their life and still have a lot more to go.
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You know what, if that many people that get pregnant are stupid enough to unfold a wire hanger and kill themselves to abort a fetus illegally, I'd say that what we have is not a conflict of ideologies or a hot-button issue anymore. What we have is a very stupid population, and the more of these idiots we get rid of, the better.

It may sound harsh, but let me take a page out of your book.

"Survival of the fittest."
 
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post Feb 12 2006, 09:42 AM
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That uh...wouldn't be killing themselves. Actually. Just the fetus.
 
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post Feb 12 2006, 12:38 PM
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QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Feb 11 2006, 11:56 PM)
You know what, if that many people that get pregnant are stupid enough to unfold a wire hanger and kill themselves to abort a fetus illegally, I'd say that what we have is not a conflict of ideologies or a hot-button issue anymore.  What we have is a very stupid population, and the more of these idiots we get rid of, the better.

It may sound harsh, but let me take a page out of your book.

"Survival of the fittest."
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well when you are getting an abortion arent you killing the baby? Do you even know how they do abortions?I read up and trust me it wasn't pretty.Also i went to someone's xanga that was all about it with pictures and also something about the whole planned parenthood program and it said the person who made it was like doing it because she knew minorities would be the ones getting abortions and she said something like she wanted a cleaner race.This got me so mad mainly since my boyfriend is considered a minorty and lots of my friends are too.

And well my science teacher said that the baby or fetus how u guys put it can feel it. And well i read that sometimes when they perform an abortion that the baby still lives so they put it aside to die.That is just plain out cruel.
 
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post Feb 12 2006, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE(BrunetteGoddess @ Feb 11 2006, 5:22 PM)
Abortion is wrong and i think it should be consider murder. You are killing an innocent baby. You never know what they could have done in life.THey could have found a cure for some disease or made a life-changing invention. Also what would of happen if you were an abortion? Your mom chose for you to live so you should follow what your mother chose.

If you dont want the child then give it up for adoption for there are people who aren't capable of having a child and would love to have your child. If you didn't mean to have the child then you should of been more safe. You have to learn from your mistakes so you choose what to do and you have to live with what comes after.

I just think it's wrong because the baby never did anything to you and everyone deserves to live and accomplish things in life that may help others live their life better.
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its not a baby. its a fetus. our mothers had us because they wanted a baby. what about the teens who get pregnant because of rape? what if YOU got pregnant because of rape? would you want to live your life delivering a baby knowing that that baby was a mistake? if abortion was made illegal, many to be mothers would go and get them done illegaly. the tools there wouldnt even be sterilized and theyd be dirty. the mothers could end up getting infections. sure, you could give that baby up for adoptiong, but do you really want to have a fetus in your stomach for 9 months and then just give it away?

but..if you were a teen who decided to go retarded, get drunk, and have sex willingly, then let them suffer through the pregnancy. its their fault.

also, i think that women should only be allowed a certain number of abortions. like, 3 or something. that way, they would just use abortion has an easy way out.
 
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its not a baby. its a fetus. our mothers had us because they wanted a baby. what about the teens who get pregnant because of rape? what if YOU got pregnant because of rape? would you want to live your life delivering a baby knowing that that baby was a mistake? if abortion was made illegal, many to be mothers would go and get them done illegaly. the tools there wouldnt even be sterilized and theyd be dirty. the mothers could end up getting infections. sure, you could give that baby up for adoptiong, but do you really want to have a fetus in your stomach for 9 months and then just give it away?

but..if you were a teen who decided to go retarded, get drunk, and have sex willingly, then let them suffer through the pregnancy. its their fault.

also, i think that women should only be allowed a certain number of abortions. like, 3 or something. that way, they would just use abortion has an easy way out.
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What do you mean by at least 3 abortions? In what cases?

I'm doing a project on pregancy so i have to talk about the fetus and all that. Fetus/baby whatever, the fact is it's growing inside of you. It's your responsability.
If someone was raped, i can understand if she considers having an abortion but i don't think it's the best thing to do.
If it's a matter of life and death, then i'm totally for it. I don't think it's called abortion when it reaches that stage. My mom had an "abortion" because she had to. If she chose to keep the baby, she'lld be dead. Luckily she chose to live. That's different.
If a stupid, irresponsible kid should have sex, get pregnant AND decides to get an abortion, that's messed up. I'm 100 % against it.
 
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post Feb 12 2006, 01:11 PM
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^ whats so confusing about it? women should only have a certain amount of abortions. and i said three because tahts just my opinon.
 
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What do you mean by at least 3 abortions? In what cases?

I'm doing a project on pregancy so i have to talk about the fetus and all that. Fetus/baby whatever, the fact is it's growing inside of you. It's your responsability.
If someone was raped, i can understand if she considers having an abortion but i don't think it's the best thing to do.
If it's a matter of life and death, then i'm totally for it. I don't think it's called abortion when it reaches that stage. My mom had an "abortion" because she had to. If she chose to keep the baby, she'lld be dead. Luckily she chose to live. That's different.
If a stupid, irresponsible kid should have sex, get pregnant AND decides to get an abortion, that's messed up. I'm 100 % against it.
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But what if the mother doesn't have the money nor the responsiblity to raise the child? Would you risk it so the child can grow up in an "unhealthy" environment? Would you risk overpopulation just so they can get punishment? I mean really, the reason for abortion is to help women who aren't ready for motherhood. I think it's stupid if you let a woman who doesn't even want to be a mother therefore "sucks" at being mother raise a child. It can mess kids up pretty bad.
 
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^^agreed.
QUOTE(Weird addiction @ Feb 12 2006, 10:05 AM)
What do you mean by at least 3 abortions? In what cases?

I'm doing a project on pregancy so i have to talk about the fetus and all that. Fetus/baby whatever, the fact is it's growing inside of you. It's your responsability.
If someone was raped, i can understand if she considers having an abortion but i don't think it's the best thing to do.
If it's a matter of life and death, then i'm totally for it. I don't think it's called abortion when it reaches that stage. My mom had an "abortion" because she had to. If she chose to keep the baby, she'lld be dead. Luckily she chose to live. That's different.
If a stupid, irresponsible kid should have sex, get pregnant AND decides to get an abortion, that's messed up. I'm 100 % against it.
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Why wouldn't it be right to abotrtion the baby when you've been raped?
Is there any consideration for the people who have been raped? Most people feel that no matter what, killing a fetus/baby is wrong, but have you thought about it from their POV?
Furthermore, if the raped woman does have the baby, do you think she'll treat him/her right? or give it the proper education?
 
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post Feb 12 2006, 02:58 PM
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3% of current abortions are because of rape, risking the mothers health, or the child has mental retardation
 
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QUOTE(APPLEjuicex @ Feb 12 2006, 11:55 AM)

its not a baby. its a fetus. our mothers had us because they wanted a baby. what about the teens who get pregnant because of rape? what if YOU got pregnant because of rape? would you want to live your life delivering a baby knowing that that baby was a mistake?
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Should a child be murdered just because of what his or her father has done? It's the same thing as you being thrown into jail because your father held up a bank, or you being put on the electric chair because he murdered a family. I don't think a baby should face the consequences of his or her father's mistakes.
 
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