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saintruthanne
post Nov 24 2005, 06:14 PM
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Its natural for men to want to protect women. So if/when girls are screaming in battle, mens natural instinct is to save them. but they can't. and they have to try and consentrate on war. but how can they when there's a bunch of girls screaming all around them? I agree with BrandonSaunders.

come on girls, don't kid yourselves. Women are not as strong as men IN GENERAL. I know that SOME women are stronger than SOME men, but that doesn't mean that ALL women are stronger than ALL men.

and WHAT exactly is wrong with 'having the women stay home and take care of the kids'?? what?? i know a lot of women wouldn't want to....but does that make it bad to want to stay home with the kids?
 
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post Nov 27 2005, 09:04 PM
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QUOTE(saintruthanne @ Nov 24 2005, 6:14 PM)
Its natural for men to want to protect women. So if/when girls are screaming in battle, mens natural instinct is to save them. but they can't. and they have to try and consentrate on war. but how can they when there's a bunch of girls screaming all around them? I agree with BrandonSaunders.
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just wondering...but from where do you get your reasoning that its natural for men to want to protect women?
and the screaming? men are capable of screaming as well.

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and WHAT exactly is wrong with 'having the women stay home and take care of the kids'?? what?? i know a lot of women wouldn't want to....but does that make it bad to want to stay home with the kids?


theres nothign wrong with having women stay home and take care of the kids. however, women are the ones that want equality. and because they want equality, they want to dispell the common, stereotypical image of stay-at-home-mothers.
 
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post Nov 27 2005, 09:07 PM
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Women can't be drafted...it wouldn't make sense. Who would take care of the new born babies who need their mother? Or, who will take care of the children? Besides, think about all the pads and tampons the army would have to buy. That's a major loss of money; not to mention risks of sexual abuse/rape. That requires a whole lot of extra medical supplies...
If a woman chooses to fight, then fine (crazy to me; being around all those horny men...) but being drafted wouldn't make sense for all women

Men are built differently, so if there is a war, men are more suited to fight. They don't have to worry about boobs being in the way, or periods to slow them down. We are built differently, so in some cases, one sex is suited more for a situation than others...nothing wrong with that

some women feel they have to prove something if they join the army....to me, i don't have to prove anything if I run the risk of dying or getting raped. just doesn't make sense to me...
 
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post Jan 22 2006, 05:51 AM
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QUOTE(DrEaMgUy2K1 @ Nov 18 2005, 4:15 PM)
I dont think anyone should be drafted , because alot of people that are draft dont want to be there, and arent fit for the job. its better to train the soldiers you got really well rather than having a shitload of people who arent passionate and fit for the job.
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then if a country were to invade america, you would be perfectly content with sitting there and watching it happen without putting up a fight?

men are physically stronger than women, it is proven. i dont think women should be drafted because i think that is like drafting middle school kids. maybe working in desk jobs or as medics but not fighting. that would only raise the death toll substantially

i think equality is only deserved when you are actually equal. its 3 am and il probably regret to saying that, but that is how i feel in this situation
 
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post Feb 8 2006, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE(WindSorcerous @ Nov 27 2005, 10:07 PM)
Women can't be drafted...it wouldn't make sense. Who would take care of the new born babies who need their mother? Or, who will take care of the children? Besides, think about all the pads and tampons the army would have to buy. That's a major loss of money; not to mention risks of sexual abuse/rape. That requires a whole lot of extra medical supplies...
If a woman chooses to fight, then fine (crazy to me; being around all those horny men...) but being drafted wouldn't make sense for all women

Men are built differently, so if there is a war, men are more suited to fight. They don't have to worry about boobs being in the way, or periods to slow them down. We are built differently, so in some cases, one sex is suited more for a situation than others...nothing wrong with that

some women feel they have to prove something if they join the army....to me, i don't have to prove anything if I run the risk of dying or getting raped. just doesn't make sense to me...

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I think that people need to stop thinking of women as "weak" and not being able to fight for their countries. Drafting might be a negative thing, but if it's happening to men, it should also happen to women.

I think that men have the itelligence to take care of babies. And more and more men are becoming stay-at-home-dads. The kids are shouting "I want my daddy" more often now. It's a slow transition, but I don't think that women should be denied to go to war and fight for their country, they are citizens too. I also don't believe that periods would be the biggest issue concerning women in the army. A lot of women are not slowed down at all because of periods. It's natural, not a disadvantage to women.
 
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post Feb 8 2006, 08:54 PM
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Women are just as capable as men when it comes to physical activity. Men may look more capable, but that doesn't mean that they are.
It goes back to when the males would be the hunters and the females would tend to the children and cook. Females actually can endure pain more than males, and have many more advantages over males, why not draft them?
 
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post Feb 8 2006, 08:56 PM
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If you can draft men, what's wrong with drafting women? Sure they have different physical features and abilities, but besides the organs they're almost the same! It's just sexist to not include a woman.

QUOTE(WindSorcerous @ Nov 27 2005, 10:07 PM)
Women can't be drafted...it wouldn't make sense. Who would take care of the new born babies who need their mother? Or, who will take care of the children? Besides, think about all the pads and tampons the army would have to buy. That's a major loss of money; not to mention risks of sexual abuse/rape. That requires a whole lot of extra medical supplies...
If a woman chooses to fight, then fine (crazy to me; being around all those horny men...) but being drafted wouldn't make sense for all women

Men are built differently, so if there is a war, men are more suited to fight. They don't have to worry about boobs being in the way, or periods to slow them down. We are built differently, so in some cases, one sex is suited more for a situation than others...nothing wrong with that

some women feel they have to prove something if they join the army....to me, i don't have to prove anything if I run the risk of dying or getting raped. just doesn't make sense to me...

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Not all women actually like kids. And if they want, women can have their own seperate bunks. Besides, in the army, women can get the same training, they can protect themselves from rape. And in some ways, women are built for more "gymnastic" missions and such because of their curved bodies and flexibility. They can use the women as spies. Why not?
 
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post Feb 9 2006, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE(yo pusha @ Jan 22 2006, 6:51 AM)
then if a country were to invade america, you would be perfectly content with sitting there and watching it happen without putting up a fight?

men are physically stronger than women, it is proven. i dont think women should be drafted because i think that is like drafting middle school kids. maybe working in desk jobs or as medics but not fighting. that would only raise the death toll substantially

i think equality is only deserved when you are actually equal. its 3 am and il probably regret to saying that, but that is how i feel in this situation
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This kinda made me laugh, not in a bad way though. I agree with you about the equality thing, but I don't think that equality is based on physical strength. And also, I don't think you should be comparing women to children who are 11-14 years old. I know that personally, I am not built like a middle schooler, and it's kind of insulting.
 
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QUOTE(yo pusha @ Jan 22 2006, 5:51 AM)
then if a country were to invade america, you would be perfectly content with sitting there and watching it happen without putting up a fight?

men are physically stronger than women, it is proven. i dont think women should be drafted because i think that is like drafting middle school kids. maybe working in desk jobs or as medics but not fighting. that would only raise the death toll substantially

i think equality is only deserved when you are actually equal. its 3 am and il probably regret to saying that, but that is how i feel in this situation
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You're comparing a fully grown woman to a school-aged child?

Yes, men are physically stronger than women, and men have historically been dominant, but that has changed over the years. Women have come an extremely long way, and having the draft apply to both genders would, in my opinion, would help the push for equality.
 
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post Feb 10 2006, 06:50 PM
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NO. If all the women are killed off who is going to have the future gernerations? It's okay for woman to fight in battle but to be drafted is wrong.
 
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QUOTE(george_fred @ Feb 10 2006, 7:50 PM)
NO. If all the women are killed off who is going to have the future gernerations? It's okay for woman to fight in battle but to be drafted is wrong.
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wtf? Not every woman is going to be drafted! For years men have been drafted and they haven't gone extinct for all you know!
 
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post Feb 11 2006, 09:01 AM
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People shouldn't be drafted. Period.

But .. women are humans, am I right? They should be drafted if men are drafted, but perhaps assigned jobs like nurses, supply managers, computer technicians, something in safety and stuff..
 
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post Feb 11 2006, 04:17 PM
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Women shouldn't be drafted because they have things to worry about that men don't.They need to take care of the family and plus you dont see many women playing sports such as football because of why? Because as my boyfriend says a lot of women aren't strong enough and couldn't deal with some of the things that would happen. Also i know a lot of women who are way too emotional to ever be in the army. As for me i wouldn't join because i couldn't handle all the pressure nor could i kill someone for it goes against for what i believe in.
 
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QUOTE(george_fred @ Feb 10 2006, 6:50 PM)
NO. If all the women are killed off who is going to have the future gernerations? It's okay for woman to fight in battle but to be drafted is wrong.
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By that logic, one could ask, if all the men are killed off, who is going to produce future generations?
 
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post Feb 11 2006, 10:34 PM
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Lamo... yeah I siad that horribly but I can't think of another way to put it.
 
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The people that are arguing that we should draft women aren't looking at things in a broad enough perspective, though. Here's why.

The military is a completely different world. What this means is that what we know and think in our civilian lives is separate from what happens in the military. This creates a situation called civil-military relations. Essentially, it means that the good relationship between the civilian population and our servicemembers must be maintained. Should we not maintain this relationship, we'll see certain devastating effects to our national security.

Now, if you look at the ratio of male to female servicemembers, you'll see that there are upwards of 1,250,000 men as compared to just over 215,000 women. This is a 6:1 ratio, which portrays a long-running tradition of male participation in an organization that, as I pointed out earlier, must be left to make its own decisions on how it operates. What I see from the people arguing that women should be drafted into the military is an insistence; a very certain, very absolute position that states we should draft women. When you see the civilian population insisting that the military act a certain way, you'll find many devastating impacts from it (including military disintegration, poor foreign relations, conditions for nuclear war, etc).

Now, don't get me wrong, I agree with the people in this thread in that women are undeniably capable of serving their country in the armed forces. However, when the circumstances warrant a military draft (and some day they will), I'm willing to bet that the United States' military will not be looking for women to draft to the front lines. Thus, when that day comes, the people in this thread pushing for the military to allow women into the draft will be sorely disappointed because frankly, the military doesn't care what they think.
 
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post Feb 12 2006, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE(Paradox of Life @ Feb 11 2006, 9:01 AM)
People shouldn't be drafted. Period.

But .. women are humans, am I right? They should be drafted if men are drafted, but perhaps assigned jobs like nurses, supply managers, computer technicians, something in safety and stuff..
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If they started drafting women well i just get pregnant and they couldn't draft me for i have a child inside of me and then i have to take care of it so they couldn't.
 
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QUOTE(BrunetteGoddess @ Feb 12 2006, 12:53 PM)
If they started drafting women well i just get pregnant and they couldn't draft me for i have a child inside of me and then i have to take care of it so they couldn't.
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Wow, that's a great reason to get pregnant.
 
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post Feb 17 2006, 08:11 PM
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Men develop muscle mass faster than women (it's true although I'm not sure if all fields of the army need brute strength). It takes less time and effort and money to train women. Logically, those who would go out on the field quickest would be draft first. Most military people wear heavy packs and armor that can weigh well over twenty pounds (I roughly remember this number - someone can check). Aside from that, women naturally and generally have a smaller build than men. I know women can be just as strong, if not stronger than men but using general statistics, if a country really needs soldiers on the front, it would take the easiest trained individuals. And then it's generally accepted that women are smarter than men (hooyah!) so they are assigned jobs that require thinking. Like honestly, I'm all for equal rights because well... I can be just as important and valuable as any dude. However... I'm not going fight for my right to be placed into combat...
 
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Okay, this is a touchy subject. I as a women do not want to be drafted as i'm sure many of you don't. But I do think that in this day and age people should be considered equal, and if that means same pay, same treatment, etc., then it should also apply to war. I would fight for my country any day, even if I don't agree with the reason we're at war..at all. But that's just me.
 
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Hey, they want to be equal with guys. So why not. And plus I don't think we'll see a draft for a very long time. We're the strongest nation in the world, there's no need.
 
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Why Not?

I think women are just as usefull as men maybe they shouldnt be in like the actual battle but maybe like doing computer work of medicine... Girls can do just as well if not better than men. biggrin.gif
 
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People say that we should be drafted because we want everything else but not to go to war..

I think woman shouldent.. You dont want some one like me with a gun in my hands.. I would pee my self :-/
 
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in all honesty, i think no, guys would be more occupied staring at boobs than shooting
 

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