is george bush out of control?, spying on us citizens |
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is george bush out of control?, spying on us citizens |
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Is this "War on Terror" getting out of hand? It has been disclosed that Bush ordered wiretaps against US citizens without first getting warrants. Click here to read the NY Times article.
His comment that those who oppose him are putting the nation at risk is, in my view, are way out of line. How is breaking the law going to safeguard us when it's a violation of the very liberties he is supposed to be protecting? Arlen Specter, a PA Republican Senator, is conducting hearings next year to investigate possible illegal activity. Personally, I'm glad the renewal of the Patriot Act is stalled and people are starting to voice concerns over this whole "War on Terror." The total cost of the war now exceeds $220,000,000,000. That's about $700 for every citizen of the US? Do you feel that much safer after shelling out that much money? Here's a link to a site that keeps a running total of the cost. I think it's time to take a hard look at what we are willing to sacrafice in order to fight terror. |
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And now the Justice Dept. is investigating the leak that led to the domestic spying disclosure, which is scary--illegal government activities are exactly the sort of thing that the First Amendment is meant to protect.
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Yeah, I heard about that on the news a while ago.
Can't believe they're spying on us without even telling us first hand. Jeez... QUOTE Con is the opposite of pro. So... what's the opposite of progress? Interesting quote I saw on somebody's away message. ![]() |
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So, just play around on those sites and tell me if you believe or not?
and i'm pretty sure it's not photoshopped..i have video and i saw some from the news. i have a whole video on it but i guess you can view it from these sites? How could 19 Arab hijackers possibly thwart the entire $40 billion a year U.S. intelligence apparatus? Why, against all standard protocol, did NORAD fail to respond on that awful morning? What was the role of the four simultaneous war games on the morning of 9/11? Why did WTC building 7, which was not hit by a plane, mysteriously fall in a symmetrical implosion eight hours after the attacks? Where is the investigation into the massive 9/11 insider trading scandal? Why did the Bush Administration fight to the hilt against any investigation into the attacks? Why has the media refused to address these and other critical questions? http://reopen911.org/ http://lonelantern.org/911news.html |
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umm... can someone kill him already?
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QUOTE(mipadi @ Dec 30 2005, 12:53 PM) And now the Justice Dept. is investigating the leak that led to the domestic spying disclosure, which is scary--illegal government activities are exactly the sort of thing that the First Amendment is meant to protect. It's tragic that the whistleblower is being presented as the "criminal" rather than those who are responsible for the domestic spying. |
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Why the hell hasn't he been impeached yet??
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QUOTE(xcaitlinx @ Dec 31 2005, 12:00 PM) Because he hasn't been found guilty of an impeachable offense? QUOTE fighting terror? what terror? the suicide bombings that r on the other side of the earth? the bush administration is causing more terror than anything else. Actually, Cheney's arguement is that because the administration is doing all of these things, there hasn't been any terror attacks. Although, I'm starting to question the extent of what the government is doing, if it is true. |
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I didn't like him since the begining. He's a liar and a cheat and should be impeached.
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*mipadi* |
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QUOTE(kryogenix @ Dec 31 2005, 12:13 PM) No, it's because charges haven't been brought against him--because his party controls Congress. The violation of the domestic surveillance law is only the first of a string of "high crimes and misdemeanors" Bush has violated. If Clinton can be impeached for lying about a sexual relationship, I think Bush should be impeached for lying to the American public and breaking federal law. But will that happen? Not when a single party controls Congress. |
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QUOTE(mipadi @ Dec 31 2005, 1:03 PM) No, it's because charges haven't been brought against him--because his party controls Congress. The violation of the domestic surveillance law is only the first of a string of "high crimes and misdemeanors" Bush has violated. If Clinton can be impeached for lying about a sexual relationship, I think Bush should be impeached for lying to the American public and breaking federal law. But will that happen? Not when a single party controls Congress. Is there absolutely concrete evidence? I'll admit that I haven't been paying too much attention to the news lately. If it's true, then he does deserve to be impeached. What other high crimes and misdemeanors has he commited though? |
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Bush has admitted to allowing the NSA to spy on the American people. The Justice Department "interpreted" the law to allow Bush to circumvent the court that was set up to monitor such surveillance--which is funny how the Justice Department keeps "interpreting" American law to allow for domestic surveillance, torture of prisoners (who are arguably illegally detained), the detention of foreign nationals who are not soldiers, allowing for such detainees to be classified as "enemy combatants", rather than POW's, and thus arguing they are not subject to the rights accorded prisoners of war... So yes, there is no question that Bush authorized domestic surveillance. And there's really not a question of legality--it's illegal. End of story.
As for lies, start with lying to Congress about the reasons for the war in Iraq, and move up from there. Since then, there's been a string of lies in order to justify the war. Let's see, the reasoning originally was that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction. Bush claimed we had solid, irrefutable evidence--evidence that suddenly evaporated once we actually occupied Iraq. I can't even remember all the reasons that have been used since then. I think the current one is "Bringing democracy to the Iraqi people." (I guess torture and illegal detention are considered a way to spread democracy.) And what of the Valerie Plame affair? Scooter Libbey has already been indicted. Karl Rove likely had something to do with it. I wouldn't be surprised if the masterminds are even higher up. Of course, this hasn't been proven--yet--so it's not an impeachable offense, but it's just another illustration of the abuses of power of the Bush administration since it came to power. And besides, it doesn't matter if it's not impeachable--there are enough other impeachable offenses that the House of Representatives should seriously consider drawing up articles of impeachment, if only to save their own skin--there's growing discontent with the Republican Party and their insistence on "toeing the party line," no matter how out of control the Congressional and Presidential leaders are. Of course, examining Congress leads to a whole other list of offenses and corruption--Tom DeLay being but one of them--but we don't even need to examine that in order to see how out of control the current administration is. |
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bush is psycho.
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Bush is crazy.
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QUOTE(faithin_felix @ Dec 31 2005, 12:38 AM) Why, against all standard protocol, did NORAD fail to respond on that awful morning? What was the role of the four simultaneous war games on the morning of 9/11? Why did WTC building 7, which was not hit by a plane, mysteriously fall in a symmetrical implosion eight hours after the attacks? i believe you misunderstand the purpose of NORAD. NORAD doesn't protect america from passenger planes. they protect north america from soviet nuclear bombers and missiles. and as far as WTC 7, you've heard of fire, haven't you? |
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Dec 31 2005, 4:20 PM) i believe you misunderstand the purpose of NORAD. NORAD doesn't protect america from passenger planes. they protect north america from soviet nuclear bombers and missiles. and as far as WTC 7, you've heard of fire, haven't you? It's not him talking, I think he's just copying and pasting. |
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this is old news. the patriot act has been allowing bush to spy on us since it was first passed.
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