Log In · Register

 
4 Pages V  « < 2 3 4  
Reply to this topicStart new topic
Wal-Mart Confronted on 'Happy Holidays'
EddieV
post Dec 21 2005, 11:36 AM
Post #76


cB Assassin
********

Group: Official Member
Posts: 10,147
Joined: Mar 2004
Member No: 7,672



America is a mixed nation. Christmas isn't the only Holiday around this season. There's also Kwanzaa and Hanuka, and don't forget New Years. Those Christians are forgeting that this time of the year there's many Holidays going on not just one that rules them all. All the Holidays are important to different cultures. If they're just going to say "Merry Christmas". How about the people that don't celebrate Christmas, but instead they celebrate Hanuka? What would they think? I pretty much just repeated everything that everyone said. But yeah, those Christians are being unfair.
 
Spirited Away
post Dec 21 2005, 11:41 AM
Post #77


Quand j'étais jeune...
*******

Group: Staff Alumni
Posts: 6,826
Joined: Jan 2004
Member No: 1,272



QUOTE(digital.fragrance @ Dec 21 2005, 10:55 AM)
1) And if you read my previous post, I said the "most" Christians do not hate this.  They are extremely perplexed. Big difference.  And I can speak for a lot - they are my friends, my fellow church members - my peers.  I can't speak for all, but I can for some.  We protest because we feel as if anything "Christian" is being taken out of everything - schools, government buildings, stores... heck, even nativity scenes have come under fire.  If you don't want to see see those, just ignore them. 

2) Okay, schools forbid teachers from talking about God. My fault - no clarification. 


3) About discrimination - you misunderstood me - leaving out Merry Christmas and not other holidays is discrimination. Walmart did that - check my source.


4) I didn't say that - we are not angry at that.  We are angry that people aren't allowed to say Merry Christmas - like that Target operator I mentoned before and WalMart employees.
Or it could be a better say to say, "I'm not allowed."  In the context of hte radio discussion, trust me, it was obvious.  I suppose it's just the way you can take things.  The lady could have been a Christian and in that case, this chapter in the Bible explains it all - Romans 13.  It tells us to submit to our authority. 


5) Okay, so what's so bad about a religion doing what they believe in?  For Christians, we are supposed to share God's love and tell them about how Jesus died on the cross for them.  I guess Yule wasn't a good celebration because the World switched to Christmas.  There was no "conspiracy" to get the world to
switch holidays....  how did we force them to get out of the way....?


6) So know I'm not logical... and I'm narrow-minded, self-centered.  Man, you guys really now how to flame somebody.  I'm sticking up for my beliefs - I'm not trying to make "christmas" the only holiday.  I love "Happy Holidays," and it's a great inclusive term.  I just wish people were permitted to say "Merry Christmas" at their jobs.
*

1) You said most Christians do not hate this, yet you do not know most Christians. Someone mentioned that Christianity is the dominant religion in the world, do you know how many Christians that is? Your number of friends and family and fellow church goers does not tantamount to most Christians. You must also consider that there are people in the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, Reverends, American Family Association in Tupelo, Miss., and even people who writes books to protest the use of Happy Holidays. [source]
And in your logic, if these Christians don't want to see or say "Happy Holidays", just ignore it!

2)... no, you've misinterpreted the law. Teachers CAN talk about God just as they can talk about Buddha and/or Shiva. Going further than this would violate the establisment clause (seperation of Church and State). They can speak about religion because it's our history and culture. Students have the right to dig deeper if they are interested on their own.

3) But CHRISTMAS wasn't left out. Again, Happy Holidays is INCLUSIVE, not exclusive, thus there is no discrimination.

4) Again, have you thought about the possibility that she simply didn't want to say Merry Christmas? Though Romans 13 tells you to submit to your authority, it doesn't tell you to submit to authority at the price of God. Also Romans 13 says you should owe no man anything but love and that he who loves fulfilled the law. Thus, if she were Christian and loved in the contexted of this discussion, nothing would have stopped her from wishing evil-radio-man a Merry Christmas. She would have fulfilled a "higher" spiritual law.

5) Easy for the ones with Money and Power to say that people turned to them in the end because they didn't have enough to go on. You're saying that Yule wasn't good enough so people turned to Christianity, right? I'm guessing you're not at all familiar with the ways of conversion and the history of Christianity in Ancient Rome. Pagans, better known to Christians as heathens and witches, were *gasp* discriminated! Emperor Constantine FORCED pagans to be baptized and accept Christianity. Yea, right, according to you then, being forced is simply "switching" to Christanity. Right. Lets continue on though. These Pagans begin attend church after a while because to them, they're still worshiping idol-gods. While this is going on Church adopted PAGAN TRADITIONS of celebrating Yule—calling it Christmas, gift giving—calling it gift giving to baby Jesus, the mother-Goddess and the birth of her child0—callling it the nativity scenes, the evergreen tree that symbolizes immortality and fertility—calling it a Christmas tree. I assure you, any educated and true theologian or historian will tell you this history. You needn't hear this and believe me. And so, it looks more like Christians "switched" to paganism to appease the Pagan in order to convert them. What sly planning.

And not to mention how easy it could be to "switch" a pagan when they will believe anything clergymen say because they can't read and write latin.

So, how did Christians force them? How else do you think? Read up on history.

6) Again, would you tell me which company doesn't allow employees to say Merry Christmas? That radio man example is faulty. The lady never admited that she is not allowed to say Merry Christmas, therefore we can assume that she simply didn't want to.
 
heyyfrankie
post Dec 21 2005, 01:09 PM
Post #78


This bitch better work!
********

Group: Staff Alumni
Posts: 13,681
Joined: Jul 2004
Member No: 28,095



QUOTE(klumzy @ Dec 21 2005, 1:50 AM)
not all christians are like that.. dont stereotype us with those weirdos
*

us..? i'm a christian..blink.gif

and i think you may of gotten the wrong idea of my post or perhaps i just worded it wrong but i know that all christians aren't like that. but the ones that are, like the ones in the story, really piss me off.

i didn't mean to offend.
 
klumzy
post Dec 22 2005, 02:56 AM
Post #79


Senior Member
*****

Group: Member
Posts: 538
Joined: Nov 2005
Member No: 75,615



QUOTE(Frankie @ Dec 21 2005, 1:09 PM)
us..? i'm a christian..blink.gif

and i think you may of gotten the wrong idea of my post or perhaps i just worded it wrong but i know that all christians aren't like that. but the ones that are, like the ones in the story, really piss me off.

i didn't mean to offend.
*


no offense taken, guess i misunderstood what you were trying to say

and yes, the over-zealous christians piss me off too..
 
dreamergirl
post Dec 22 2005, 03:04 PM
Post #80


Newbie
*

Group: Member
Posts: 9
Joined: Dec 2005
Member No: 329,706



This whole thing is a scheme my eztreme liberals to take Christ out of everything possible. My cousin is a teacher and she cant even say Merry Christmas or ask if someone has a "Christmas" tree because of this thing. Its sick, all of it. And just in case the liberal media doesnt know it Holiday means Holy Day. So HAHA.
Im a Christian, and I say Happy Holidays, the thing that really really ticks me off is when they make it illegal to say in schools: just like the Bible, the Ten Commandments, and prayer. To all you fellow Christians out there, Jesus is definately coming back very soon!!
 
sadolakced acid
post Dec 22 2005, 03:16 PM
Post #81


dripping destruction
*******

Group: Staff Alumni
Posts: 7,282
Joined: Jun 2004
Member No: 21,929



if you read the thread, you can find out why you're wrong.

of course, it's not debate, so you're not required to read the thread... ehhh.

anyways. jesus has been back for a while.

i am jesus.

and you know what? there is no one in the world pure enough to save.
 
dreamergirl
post Dec 22 2005, 03:18 PM
Post #82


Newbie
*

Group: Member
Posts: 9
Joined: Dec 2005
Member No: 329,706



Christians arnt trying to advertise God to people by wanting to keep Dec 25 --- Christmas, or to say Merry Christmas. Its not just Christians that say Merry Christmas, millions and millions of other people have said it and are saying it. And has far as " political correctness" goes its the liberals who started the whole thing, not Christians. And WILL SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT A HOLIDAY HAS TO DO WITH """SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE""""??????? GOOD GOD this whole thing makes me mad. And to all you people who think " its no big deal " or " the Christians just need to forget it" IT IS A BIG DEAL. Why should anyone care if its called Christmas, ITS BEEN THAT FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS!!!!!!
 
*mona lisa*
post Dec 22 2005, 04:09 PM
Post #83





Guest






QUOTE(dreamergirl @ Dec 22 2005, 3:18 PM)
Christians arnt trying to advertise God to people by wanting to keep Dec 25 --- Christmas, or to say Merry Christmas. Its not just Christians that say Merry Christmas, millions and millions of other people have said it and are saying it. And has far as " political correctness" goes its the liberals who started the whole thing, not Christians. And WILL SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT A HOLIDAY HAS TO DO WITH """SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE""""??????? GOOD GOD this whole thing makes me mad. And to all you people who think " its no big deal " or " the Christians just need to forget it" IT IS A BIG DEAL. Why should anyone care if its called Christmas, ITS BEEN THAT FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS!!!!!!
*
Just asking. Have you read the whole thread?

Debate here please.
 
xosteffanator
post Dec 22 2005, 06:33 PM
Post #84


Senior Member
*******

Group: Member
Posts: 3,055
Joined: Jul 2005
Member No: 174,796



Gosh, those darn religous fanatics
 
Spirited Away
post Dec 22 2005, 08:11 PM
Post #85


Quand j'étais jeune...
*******

Group: Staff Alumni
Posts: 6,826
Joined: Jan 2004
Member No: 1,272



QUOTE(dreamergirl @ Dec 22 2005, 3:18 PM)
Christians arnt trying to advertise God to people by wanting to keep Dec 25 --- Christmas, or to say Merry Christmas. Its not just Christians that say Merry Christmas, millions and millions of other people have said it and are saying it. And has far as " political correctness" goes its the liberals who started the whole thing, not Christians. And WILL SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT A HOLIDAY HAS TO DO WITH """SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE""""??????? GOOD GOD this whole thing makes me mad. And to all you people who think " its no big deal " or " the Christians just need to forget it" IT IS A BIG DEAL. Why should anyone care if its called Christmas, ITS BEEN THAT FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS!!!!!!
*

Since I brought it (establishment clause) up, I'd like to give you an answer: read the damn post fully before acting stupid.

Yule existed CENTURIES before Christmas. Do you know what "centuries" mean? It means hundreds of years. Go learn your Christian history, little girl.
 

4 Pages V  « < 2 3 4
Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members: