I wish people would just say, "merry christmas" - it's an official holiday anyway. It's not like Dec. 25th is marked down in calendars as "Holiday."

Also, I think Christians need to realize that "Xmas" isn't bad. The "x" is from the greek letter that looks like an "x." The letter means ichythus (sp?), which means fish (you know that the fish symbol means Christian), and is often used as an abbreiviation for the word "Christian." My Bible teacher often used that letter on the marker board, and we about died because we thought it was wrong... then he told us what it really meant.

ok, i have a question.

how is it being disrespectful to christians to say "happy holidays"? holidays encompass christmas, as well as kwanzaa and hannukah. in a country where we have freedom of religion, it would make sense to make it clear that there is no "set" religion.

It's not - it's just the push to get rid of "christ" that is disrespectful.

how is saying "happy holidays" getting rid of christ?

christmas = one day. one day.

the season is not christmas.

the month of december is not christmas

the holidays, therefore, are not exclusively christian.

can any non-jews tell me the story of hannukah.

and yet everyone knows what christmas is.

thats disrespectful.

3. So the meaning of Christmas is the birth of Christ, YAYAYAYAY, however, December 25th isn't Christ's birthday.
4. Respect works both ways. Christians aren't the only ones with holy days, you see, the Pagans celebrated Yule before Christians celebrated Christmas on that same day. It would be disrespectful to accept a younger religion's celebration as the only thing holy on Dec. 25th.
5. Christianity may be the most dominant religion, but the combined number of non-Christians would be dominant group.

jesus liked to get chitty chitty with the bang bang with men.

if you have a problem with what i just said then you can just not read it, right?

They used to say "Merry Christmas" - until someone said that was religious. They ought to say Happy Hannukah too - but they aren't allowed to say that either - so I suppose that it is disrespectful to both groups - not that fact that they aren't saying "Merry whatever" but the reason behind it.



3. No one is quite sure when His birthday was - therefore we choose to celebrate it on Dec. 25th.
4. Then everyone needs to change the actual name of the holiday. The push to remove anything Christian is limiting our freedom - store empolyees ought to have the right to say "Merry Christmas."
5. Who cares about dominance. Every people group ought to have a voice - ought to have the right to say "Merry Christmas" at their jobs.

i love you

4. That, my friend, does not make sense. A single person did not come up with the name for this "holiday". Employees DO have the right to say Merry Christmas, but there is no reason why a Christian or any customer should be angry about Happy Holidays being said to them. No one is trying to remove any Christian meaning of any Christian holiday. Is it wrong to take into account the other holidays that take place around the same time, which happens to be celebrated by people from other cultures?

5. "Who cares about dominance"? Why did you say that Christianity is the dominant religion in the first place?

4. They shouldn't, but the reason behind it (they removed "Merry Christmas") should. The holiday called "christmas" is a much cultural as religious. There is no reason to remove it, but they do anyway.
5. I didn't - someone else in this thread did. I was just responding to other points made.

I've always put it this way...

I'm Christian but not Christian to the point of recklessness.

4. And there is no reason why Happy Holidays shouldn't be used. I'm not Jewish, but I'm pretty sure Hanukkah is both a religious and cultural holiday as well.
5. Oh, sorry. I thought you were the same person. Very sorry.

Anyway, this can be continued in the actual debate topic. :)

oh phew! i started that topic because i thought people were starting to debate in here...

[offtopic] thats from Anchorman! hahaha his arm gets ripped off by the bear.....[/offtopic]



Amen!

This is how I see it, Most stores such as, Target, Kohl's and a few others arent allowed to say "Merry Christmas", I think thats stupid. People should be allowed to say "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays" or which ever they prefer.
But I also think it is stupid that people flip like that and protest.

Actually, they used to have a choice in saying Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays until some Christians thought it was un-Christian to say Happy Holidays. The president recently got dogged by fellow Christians for sending Happy Holidays cards.

3) Actually, it is quite certain and agreed by all religious institutions that Christ was not born on December 25th. The date is used for the convenience of conversion. That much is clear and undebatable. Christians didn't choose to celebrate on December 25th out of the blue and to claim that it's wrong to say Happy Holidays when Christians took over the holidays from Pagan traditions is RIDICULOUSLY hyppocritcal.
4) The said term isn't copyrighted. If Christians want the word to be holiday specific and not used freely by non-Christians or for commercial means, get it copyrighted or turn it into a trademark. It's NOT only non-Christians that's doing the limiting, haven't you heard that there are Christian lead movements to kick Happy Holidays out? The reason to remove Merry Christmas is simply CHOICE. If I hire you to work for me and do not like the fact that you can't say Merry Christmas, you have the CHOICE to quit.
5) Stephir did and I answered within context. Why don't you ask him/her what's that got to do with anything?

Fae...

Hmm... I should Google this and see what sort of results I get.

We live in a free enterprise nation where dominance rules.
Hence voting.
That's why it was brought up.
I'm a chick...:S
Anyway this all boils down to the AGE OLD question, Freedom or equality;;Free Enterprise or Communism?
I want the freedom to say Merry Christmas, and I want others to have the freedom to be able to say Happy Hannukkah or Merry Kwanza.
I'm not going to say "Happy Holidays" just to make other people happy.

The MSNBC link was an interesting read, but it expired. You can google on Bush and Happy Holiday cards and something should pop up.

Edit> here is the article. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5120601900.html


So it makes sense then to consider that free enterprise should allow Happy Holidays to be used since it encompasses a respect for all religions, thus giving a competitive advantage since all target markets can relate to "holidays" and not something religion specific like "Christmas".
You have the right to say Merry Christmas just as everyone else has the right to say Happy Holidays. Again, if you work for a company that CHOOSES not to allow employees to say Merry Christmas, quit and find one that will.

Not really. My whole choir group(choir is also my second hour) got bitched at by pinchy liberals in the park for saying Merry Christmas at the end of our concert. Pfft. I can't quit school. It was a christmas concert and we got yelled at, them threatening "sewing" the teachers for not teaching us "right". WTF@That.

School didn't disallow you to say Merry Christmas (no need to quit), neither did those "pinchy liberals". Just as you have the right to say Merry Christmas, people have the right to complain. Christians are doing just that about Happy Holidays.

I know, I'm not disagreeing.

3. I know - they decided they needed to celebrate something on the same day. And we're not saying it's wrong to say "happy holidays." We just hate the fact that they are removing "CHRIST" out of a nationally celebrated holiday because they say it's "Christian" when it really isn't anymore.
4. I know it's not copyrighted. We don't want it to be holiday specific - we just wnat people to have the right to say it if they want to (in the context of employees). Some people really don't have the choice to quit. Many people haev different financial situations, and jobs shouldn't dictate what people have a right to say and not to say. They can't limit our freedom of speech.

3) Christmas is still very much Christian if it is meant to be celebrated for Christian purposes. "Christ" is removed by individual choice, just like it's individual choice to not remove "Christ" out of Christmas. That is the freedom promised by our government; the Christian God was also said to have given us free will. And just because something is celebrated nationally doesn't mean we all celebrate it for the same reason. Is your hatred, yours and other Christians, justified?

4) Um, no one is going to force anyone to continue working for him/her without violating some kind labor law. If it's financial reasons that a person would stay at a work environment that he/she doesn't like, then it's still by CHOICE that the person chose to stay. So yes, EVERYONE REALLY DOES have the CHOICE to quit. The law supports it; no one forbids it. If you really think that employers should not have such rights, what's the point of owning your own business if you cannot tell your employees what to do within the legal limits? Which company is forbidding their employees to say Merry Christmas? I'd like to know. As I've said, even the President was attacked by Christians when he sent "Happy Holidays" cards. Why don't Christians take a look at who's actually doing the limiting of freedom of speech on a larger scale? I haven't seen much protest for Merry Christmas, yet I've seen plenty of protest of Happy Holidays.

It's not political corectness, it's just not excluding someone else because of their religion. I didn't celebrate Christmas until I was 10 so I understand.

But Wal*Mart will do anything to boost it's sales.

wow some ppl are so stupid. r u really gonna waste ur time boycotting "HAPPY HOLIDAYS" signs. I celebrate x-mas (not christmas) but for them to exclude the other religous holidays would be even worse for the stores. I really don't understand these people at all.