Which is cool and all, but... don't you also believe that everyone who does not believe what you believe is going to burn in hell forever because of it?

If so, don't you almost think it is kind of sick to disagree with "pushing" religious beliefs on others? Don't you think it seems a bit immoral that you do not seek to make people believe?

Because, under your own belief, if you don't, they will all burn in hell forever.

How exactly do you reconcile that?

Or, are you for spreading the word, just not being that aggressive about it?

I am

Actually rather than condeming them for their beliefs I pray for them in hopes that maybe something will change their minds. & i truthfully dont believe just because someone doesnt have the exact same beliefs as me that they are going to hell. Besides...you have until the day you die...& so i have to have hope that a lot of people will change. I try to be optimistic. But as for me I feel that my part in it is just to pray, being that is my belief.


O yeh..& wuts evangelism? i need a larger vocabulary

That may be so, however, in the end, God will condenm them for their beliefs. If they do not bow before his majesty, like a jealous meglomaniac child, he will throw them down into the eternal fires of hell so that they may suffer forever.

Not cool.

thats kinda scary when u think about it...but i think there is hope enough for everyone. Like my brother, for instance. He is a non-believer. I just pray for him & i know that things will get better ....Please dont burst my lil bubble I am in my happy place

What the heck? Are you not a Christian? If you are, you've just contradicted your own faith when you said you do not agree with pushing your belief on others. Evangelism is very much a part of Christianity.

im sorry...but im not religious, and i dont want you to pray for me.

im not going to say you're wrong for believing. your beliefs are your own. dont try to change mine.

I'm not an expert on Bible scriptures, but in the Beatitudes during the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus gives a description of what a person should be like for them to go to heaven.



He doesn't once say "Blessed are they who accept me, and only me as their God" or something like that.
I've always thought that the idea of "All non-Christians will go to hell" was something that "believers" have come up with, not the religion itself.

Thank you. That made sense to me.

- "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him." (John.3:31).

- For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life... He who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. (John.3:16,18)

- Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John.14:6)


Countless other areas of the Bible condemn non-believers and those who worship other gods. Refering to them as "doomed", incapable of "doing good", as well as commanding that they be stoned to death and murdered for their offense to the one and only true God.

So then what is true in Christianity if all are contradictions?

hey dude i dont get y ppl care about something that u cant see or anything...all ur doin is believing in something thats not there. ur lying to urself about soemthing that u never know sum1 way back coulda wrote a funny comic about soemthing and then he turned it into a story that turned into the bible. i dont get y ppl care so much and are like oh if u uh go steal a penny off the ground in the middle of new york gods gunna strike u down oh its over. and y should u devote to something that doesnt change anything... it puts confidence in u that shouldnt be there. tellin a person wut u did wrong might help u out but it puts them into a bind. going to church and just sitting and stuff and listening to wut he has to say i hav eno problem with that but devoting ur life to it is retarded. sorry ppl i dont hate religion but im mad at the fact that ppl make their life revolve around soemthing that u cant see or hear or feel or anything

Hm, I beg YOUR pardon, but was I talking about YOU, specifically? Was I replying to YOUR post? Perhaps, maybe, you could read the post I was replying to, and then you would have an idea of what I was saying in my post.

Nowhere have I EVER said that every single Christian thinks they are better than others, or makes fun of others, or believes to be safe, nor have I ever said that every single Christian follows strict Evangelism.

And, since I don't think you've been told yet, Evangelism is the spreading and attempting to convert others to the Christian faith, in the slightest of words.

Perhaps you should read the thread a bit, before just picking out some random post and feeling offended by it. I don't just say things randomly; most of the time, someone else has to say something for me to respond to it.

I really have no problem with you if you're Christian. That's a-O.K. I don't cut down on you either, do I? Have I ever insulted you, or your faith? Oh, I think the answer is no, I have not. So why are you making me out to be the bad guy?

There are many contradictions, because the bible was written by different people, and changed over the years (whether on purpose, or mistakes in translation).

For example, Acid Bath Slayer used all of his quotes from the gospel of John. Large portions of this gospel are even said to have been written years later (at a time when John the Apostle would atleast have to have been 90) Also it's so different than Matthew, Marc, and Luke. John's book doesn't follow the same order and it focuses on different things. It also seems to be written by a man with higher education that the actual John would have had (he was a fisherman). I on the other hand chose a text from the gospel according to Matthew who was a completely different person, so of course his writings might be different.

So what is true?

disco infiltrator:

I do appologize. After my post on "If you dont believe in God, you better be right" your post had a lot of the use of the word "you" & i happened to take offense to that. If your intentions were not against me personally then I do appologize for over reacting. I did not mean to rub you the wrong way. Well I hardly know you to judge you now dont i? Sorry for the misunderstandings

My humanistic ideals are accredited to my belief in Buddhism. However, I personally feel as though religion isn't a necessity to be a good person and for self actualization. But if someone is genuinely a better person thanks to religion without sacrificing an open mind, then whatever the religion is, I'm in full support.

I'm well aware of the inaccuracies of Christianity, but historical semantics cannot discredit spiritual fulfillment. Put into that perspective, religion as a whole, is false and its replacement should be scientific knowledge and common logic.

You can't have a truly open mind and be religous because every religion has guidelines tat you must follow.

That's not always the case. Take Buddhism, for example: it is easily integrated with many other religions. It's not exclusive.

But I think all Brandon meant to say is that you can hold a belief, yet still understand and tolerate the beliefs of others. That's keeping an open mind.

Well, can you give me the opportunity to change your mind back?

And how exactly do you plan on going about that?

Me= not religous, says god, doesn't go to church, but still prays a bit, and believes in god.

Words.

I have this friend who is quite religious and while we are good friends and I value his friendship, it's always awkward when he tries to convert me.

But I'm all for religion if it makes you feel better and it makes you a better person, go for it.