so, i was talking with someone about this about 2 minutes ago and wanted to know what everyone though of how it went being the first time it was implimented.

i didnt want to put this just randomly in another thread, i wanted it to be seen.

so, pros and cons.

pros
-i liked the idea of nominations.

cons
-nominations seemed like endorsements which we did away with due to the fact that only people were picking their friends. i did talk to many mods, and noted it for myself too, that mods werent nominating just friends. i was nominated by 3 people i didnt even talk to.

-not everyone seems to get their chance. just because they dont stand out, doesnt mean they shouldnt be given a shot. sure, there was the discussion thread, but how much of that was taken in when nominations were made?

alright, so here's what i was thinking.

maybe combining both of the forms. anyone who wants can apply, but the staff can also hold nominations. those nominated wont have to apply. this way it gives everyone a chance to at least be considered.

i know someone said they could have just posted a reply in the discussion thread, but some werent nominated. i think everyone deserves a chance, but not everyone has to be hired. they could at least be considered even if they wouldnt make a great mod at all.

^ Hold both??...nah, I dont think so. What would be the purpose in nominating at all when everyone can just go ahead apply (doing both makes no sense)....If some have to go through an application process then all them should to make it fair if thats the case..Its either one or the other.

well, in toyas case...she would never apply because she wouldnt write an application.

idk. i think we either stick with the one or just vote on it again since a bunch of people seem to be voicing opinions of not liking it. maybe the next time jusun is on we can talk to him about it.

^x2 I agree, if you have the application process, everyone should go through it.

I'll agree with you Spencer on you saying that everyone deserves a chance. The nominations thing isn't a terribly bad idea, It worked pretty well this time around. However, I would like to give everyone a fair chance. It's like holding an audition (here comes the theatre freak), We want to hold an open audition, and let everyone show their stuff and keep them in mind even if we dont' hire them, atleast it'll show they want to be a part of the staff. We'll keep an eye on them. The nominations thing kinda resembles closed auditions, where the director/producer calls up people they've seen around or know would be good for the part. I think having the applications would give a more open feel to picking a staff member, we want to give everyone a fair chance. Eh, maybe the audition thing was a bad analogy, but hey that's how I think.

if it had been applications i certainly would not have applied.

i don't like applications. no one ever follows the instruction of "one paragraph on how you would make cB better". it basically means either you have to be well known, or you have to toot your horn very, very well.

mayhaps, if used, the applications should not be basis for choosing new mods.

and i think having a system why you can apply for mod review, in which mods would individually decide whether to nominate you or not, would work out fine.

ahhh, i REALLY wasnt trying to be disrespectful
but i wanted to state my opinion instead of just saying "some of the mods/one of the mods" *flashback to mod performance thread*

i just think its another reason to have more community input next time

You guys are missing the point of the nominations and not applications...we don't WANT people who would otherwise go unnoticed...

I hated the applications. They were suck-up things and some people just had way too much of an ego to write them without coming off cocky, or they would put way too much and even if they were qualified, I wouldn't want to hire them because they were just trying way too hard. I want people to just naturally stand out, not stand out because they put a lot of crap on their application.

i dont see why you have to stand out. for a design staff position its not as important to be noticed.

I agree. I think the best way to show that you WANT a position on staff is to just be patient and prove you can handle it. I don't mean by mini-modding by any means, but the qualified people will be seen and chosen. Obviously, though, not every person who is fit for the job will be picked, because if that happened we'd have WAY too many people on staff. From what I gather, the only point really of putting in an application is to say "Hey, I'd like to be a mod" and then the rest depends on posting history, attitude, etc. No matter what method we choose, not everyone will be happy and the people who stand out as being most qualified will still be chosen.

I particularly liked this method. I would never have submitted an app, the whole idea just scares me. I just don't think highly enough of myself to try to convince a group of people that I'm qualified for something. To me, people who are fit to be on staff don't HAVE to tell everyone to consider them. And do note that I am NOT denying that several people here are qualified. I'm just saying that I don't think the results would have been much different by any other method.

acutally, i'd think it'd be more important for prospecitve desing staff to be notieced by current design staff.

if you're helpign people, designing skins, etc... how would you not be noticed?

^ Not a lot of people go in design forums, it's a lot of newbies who say their thanks and leave. It's not like the lounge, where people develop relationships and friendships. It's harder to keep track in there.
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I understand where you're coming from, Sammi, and I have to say that's a reasonable argument.

However, another reason why I don't like nominations is because we need to ASK the qualified members. I don't want to look through the thread right now, but someone said "If it weren't for the fact that they were nominated, these people wouldn't apply otherwise." Well, that's a bad sign.

I think people need to show intiative and show that they're really passionate about createBlog, and by picking "qualified" people who aren't really excited and obsessed with cB like some other members are...I don't like that.

This is my take on apps:
- They are a way to make a "list" of those interested -> Easier to deal with, and gives everyone a chance.
- By making people write an app it shows that they're at least a little serious about it.
- Other than that, I think that all the decisions made should be based on performance, contributions, overall helpfulness, friendliness, etc. Not the app itself.

then why not just have people submit thier names? goblet of fire style and all.

^I very much agree with you on that. I think you explain things much better then I ever could Gigi.

^lol goblet of fire style. I find that funny :)
Well, i think there should be more of an effort then submitting your name. If I were choosing someone to be on the staff team , I would want to know why they would want to be a part of the staff....How they would contribute, I would also like to know general information about them, how old they are, interests, blah, blah. Just to understand that person better. I mean the person that gets choosen will ultimately be representing CB as a staff member, and I would like to be sure I'm hiring the best. If they are too lazy or whatever to write out an application like they would for a job in the real world then personally i wouldn't bother hiring them. I just think it's one of those steps you have to take. But that's just my opinion, I know other people don't think it's necessary, and I respect that.

but what benefit does making people write "one paragraph about how you'd change cB" when most people really won't be doing much changing do?

and plus, people write like... 8 paragraphs about how they found cB and how they love it and such...

i mean, sure. it's fine and dandy. but it doens't really seem to be much of an application...

and i'm against having people do something as busyworkish.

I really disliked applications. Either people thought WAY too highly of themselves, tried to hard, or didn't try at all. I didn't really see any happy mediums. Nothing impressed me with those applications.

And Michelle, I agree with Justin. Design people should stand out MORE than People people. In a mass of people, only some will have design skills. Plenty can have people skills. It's harder to pick out those who really stand out in the community. It was pretty easy for me to pick out those I saw right away, standing out from the rest of the people in those forums.

i didnt know who reili was until i started visiting the xanga forums. i dont know who half the staff are there. for people staff you should be well known, but for a design staff position, as long as you're somewhat known..

eh.

id like to go back to applications. its how you apply for a real job. i prefer it rather than being nominated.

do we all remember the applications:

SAMPLE APPLICATION QUESTION:

write one paragraph about how you would change cB if you were a mod.

SAMPLE APPLICATION:

i really really want to be a mod. i'm a very dedicated member. ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod. i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community. I'm able to be on the computer a lot. while cB is not my life it is close to it. if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard. i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules. i really really want to be a mod. i'm a very dedicated member. ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod. i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community. I'm able to be on the computer a lot. while cB is not my life it is close to it. if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard. i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules. i really really want to be a mod. i'm a very dedicated member. ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod. i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community. I'm able to be on the computer a lot. while cB is not my life it is close to it. if i were a mod, i'd work long and hard. i also should be a mod becuase i know all the rules. i really really want to be a mod. i'm a very dedicated member. ever since i first came to cB i've wanted to be a mod. i think i'd make a very good mod because i post a lot in introductions and am very helpful to the community. 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i always thought that question was pointless..but touche.

an application basically stating any previous mod experience.

basically. thats what you put on a normal job application. well, at least the ones ive had to fill out.

For Design-related Staff, it's obvious that you don't have to stand out as much the candidates for People Staff. However, and this isn't directed towards a specific person, being known shouldn't count as a big factor. If you're upset you didn't get on Staff, maybe you should think about why you didn't. If you wanted a design position, you should stand out most in that forum.

Nominations are not necessary, but they really are not that bad. I hardly know/knew any of the members I nominated, but they stood out to me when I went all around the different forums. If you looked carefully, most staff didn't just nominate their friends. If they did and it was evident, then clearly they wouldn't be/weren't modded.

There are both good and bad things about the applications. One doesn't exactly write the way they act. You can have a total goof write a convincing and meaningful application. You can have a great candidate who just isn't good at writing, but its doesn't really make them any less qualified. There are others that try too hard and others that don't make the cut. But don't you think the Staff especially the Admins and Heads would be able to comprehend the applications in a proper way? They can look at their behavior and qualities as well as their helpfulness that would help them choose the best candidates for new staff and carry on from there.

i wasnt asking why i didnt make staff.

i pretty much understand why, and im ok with that. im not trying to cause trouble over that.

and i do think that admins and heads can discern between the "real" and the "fake" of the applications.

i dont think applicants should have to write a paragraph though. maybe just basic info..their age, mod experience, extra-curricular activities that might affect their ability to be a mod...

stuff like that.

Again, it wasn't directed towards anyone. I said that. :)

Maybe all those things you mentioned could be written properly into a paragraph. I mean, you could state why you think you would be helpful to the createBlog community; state any mod experiences you have/had and basically, anything that would make the staff want to hire you, but being truthful at the same time. Anyone can just list all that information and as lazy as some people are, they will turn away if they see that a paragraph is required. Those who are interested will do it and those who aren't will not. Simple.

sorry

and i agree..but the paragraphs usually dont turn out like that. ideally the aplicants would put only relevant information..and not say things like "i love createblog so much and i would love to mod it because its awesome!".


and i have modding powers in this forum now! yay.

The way I see it is the application process doesnt sway much in whether you get modded at all. Its all going to boil down to your overall presence on the forum, how you interact with other members, whether or not you stand out, activeness, how helpful you are around the boards (both for design and people), how long you've been a member and how much you have contributed to the site. I honestly think should we have had an actual application process with same people that were nominated the outcome would have been the same. The only thing I see about the traditional way is that is open it up for everyone pretty much. Personally, dont see anything wrong with that just like I dont see anything wrong nominations. In conclusion, the biggest draw about the traditional way is that everyone is considered and with nominations only the most qualifed are considered as deemed by mods. They both have pros and cons. With nominations there is a possiblity of overlooking somone (even though that is highly unlikely in my opinion considering all the mods we have), also, there is the possibiltiy of nominating someone for a positon they really dont want (for example nominating someone for Myspace staff when they really want to be People) in which case I say they should reject their nomination. With the traditional way, while everyone is considered, only the ones that really stand are going to be seriously considered. For example, when all the mods had our backstage discussion on the nominees some of the mods stated that some nominees didnt "stand out" . If some nominees dont stand out even when mods are nominating imagine how much more you must stand in the traditional process. Just a thought.

alright...so if everyone is against writing out a paragraph about mod experience and how someone can be "fake" about it...just make it like nominations, but a person can nominate themself. just make a thread for all of the interested and they can just reply by saying something like "im in" or whatnot. like kiera said...with that being said, no one is going to be picked on how fake they were. its their overall general being in the forums. if they dont stand out, they should at least be given a chance even if they are not going to be modded. everyone deserves a chance to be at least evaluated.

i guess what im saying is mods can nominate people who feel that they make great mods if someone or themselves didnt nominate themselves.

so in other words...a person can nominate themself, someone else can nominate someone, or a mod can nominate them giving everyone a fair chance.

Why do people have to nominate themselves?

Everyone's evaluated anyway. That's how they're chosen to be nominated. I'm not seeing your point.