Dude, no more of the double posting.

Anyway... As for it being uncomfortable, for one, I highly doubt that considering Nintendo makes some of the most comfortable controllers out there. Secondly, youve never held it, for all you know it could be made partially out of some form of memory foam or gel that conforms to your hand so well that you cna hardly tell its there.

On to point number two. Gaming was never about looking cool, and a bunch of people play DDR to prove it, not to mention Eyetoy. Secondly, you aught to have incredibly accurate control considering, one, what my previous friend here said, youre pointing it yourself, and secondly, youre using a far more stable and accurate form of pointing or aiming. its like a ball mouse Vs an optical or laser.

Playing Halo with a lightgun? Not gonna happen considering MS owns it. But another FPS, say a marginally better sequel to Geist? Or any other new FPS idea, I could definitely imagine, and would love it. better yet, how about a pedal peripheral and some Time Crisis action up in there? Damn that would be sweeeeet.

Your arm will start to hurt? Your thumbs will start to hurt, your hands will start to hurt, your eyes will start to hurt, your head will start to ache, your stomach will start to churn, and youll go BLIND. All common accusations towards regular controllers and video games as a whole. Seriously, do people not play football, soccer, baseball, tennis, and any other sport in the world because they may get a bit sore doing it? Like he said, suck it up, pack on some muscle, and get active!

We have yet to hear EVERYTHING about this controller. There is a big secret that the Big N is keeping from everyone, and we may not hear about it until E3 next year. So lets hear all the info, and then we can talk about what we know, because most of you guys are talking about what ifs and creating your own facts based upon nothing.

WTF? This is probably the most natural thing that could be use. Movement in real life corresponds to movement in the game.



How is it not a good idea/make you look stupid. What kind of gamer cares how they look when they play videogames? If you're too concerned with how you look, then you're not concentrating on the game, and you lose.

How will the control not be accurate? Developers that have actually played with the thing say it's great.



Attach modules? That's what the expansion port is for.



Uh, that would kick ass, unless you suck at aiming.



As opposed to your fingers hurting?

You fail to realize that you can use a traditional controller instead of the new controller anyway.

i rock at light gun games.

give me a joystick with which to aim a gun... you've got to be crazy. that doens't even remotely correlate with real life...

i wont quote all of you sooo,

personally, i think nintendo made themselves more suseptible to be hated. the general audience is going to look at this and say "what the hell" and dismiss it as a dvd player with games. and its gonna be gamecube all over again. with only the nintendo faithful buying it. it just seems too much like a peripheral to me. I don't see how u can build a system and games around this. because they will have to make games catering to these controllers. when i talk about your hand being tired i mean hand and wrist fatigue. extend your arm with the remote in your hand towards the TV for a few hours and see how you'll feel. another thing is with the "slashing" and wrist and arm turning you'll be doing you cant be too far from the tv. and button option only seems limited to "A" during fast paced gameplay. and if im going to EVER be using a light gun it better resemble a GUN. just like real light guns in the past. Do you want all your fps's to be like Time crisis? where the computer moves for you? i dont. and with the sword flinging things, reflexes play a toll, so, if you have good reflexes and is pretty quick with this you will get bored, because they will slow down things for the masses. and how is this supposed to work with older games? i notice another flaw, different size hands will have different results gripping the controller. all in all, a good example of how regular controllers are better than this one is.....well, imagine playing a versus game against somebody with the rev controller and you have a regular controller....you would woop his ass. basically this seems like the power glove all over again. and nintendos gonna lose alot of potential buyers because of this , you cant get around that. it seems REALLY directed toward casual gamers,and i mean really casual, like grandmother casual. its almost arcade like. nintendo wanted to produce something that less intimidating to new coming gamers (though who would be intimidated besides 70 yr olds i dont know) they wanted to make something more familiar to them. but i think its a sacrafice. and a risk for real gamers to buy it. but there is one good thing! when you get pissed playing smash bros, you can strangle your friend.

AHhh that's what i need after a hard days work .To sit down to some jumping ,flailing,disco dancing gaming.A cool gimmick but a gimmick at that.

i can whoop you with a rev controler on light gun mode( if it's anything like light guns of the old) and you with a reg contoler.

well if the game caters to the light gun all around, like time crisis, then probably.

i love time crisis. :-)

a light gun if more intuitive than a joystick for just about every FPS, i'd say.

I'd prefer not to use a light gun. I normally play videogames in a confined area--while sitting on a futon with three other people, for example--and I don't have room to be waving my arms around.

^ Who said you have to wave your arm around, you just have to angle it the right way, unless you have a really big TV screen that's a different story.

Except its being reveled in by critics and fans alike, not to mention its being revered by game producers and creators.

Of course they will, they had to do it for the 64, they had to do it for the PS1, and they had to do it for the Xbox. Controllers cant stay the same forever, and when they do, they become obsolete to a newer and better version. Take the original xbox controller Vs the current 360 controller. Which is better? Who still owns an original xbox controller? Everyone went out and bought an S controller, why? It was better, more comfortable. Every generation controllers have differed on every system except two, PS2 and Xbox 360(yes there are minor differences such as the xbox menu button which is annoying as hell). Changes like this happen all the time. Just because it looks a little different than what youre used to doesnt mean its that far out, or that its horrible because its different.

I dont see how thats different than holding a controller towards the TV/Console. You CAN rest it on your leg, lap, arm of the chair, etc when youre not directly using it to slash and shoot.

Why?

Dont forget the B trigger button, and the possible shoulder buttons on the joystick peripheral.

You have a joystick peripheral to use for movement while you aim with the remote. Just like a keyboard and mouse, but better.

The same thing goes for all other controllers. If your Dead or Alive reflexes are out of this world, youre going to guffaw at the computer's measely AI, that is, unless you raise the difficulty. Oh, yeah, sorry, I forgot about DIFFICULTY. Youre better at a game? Make it harder! Its so easy, just a menu selection or two.

NES games? Turn it sideways. SNES/N64? Peripherals, probably. Possibly changed control schemes as well. Gamecube? The Revo is compatible with GCN controllers.

Same goes for all controllers. I cant wrap a rope around the original xbox controller let alone my hands.

exactly, and my game systems are in my theatre room 110 inches




what? ....no. the rev controller effects gameplay, tremendously. games like prince of persia for example that usually come out for all systems wont be able to be played on rev.
so most of the games that come out for rev. will be ONLY for rev. will it be able to get Call of Duty? Soul caliber? brothers in arms? Tony Hawks? NBA games? etc

Well yeah me too, that's why once I get the Revolution, it's going to be in my room, not my entertainment room, lol.

i assume the revolution controler could have a traditional controler like the dreamcast, and have the rev controler slide into it...

let's wait untill we try it before passing judgement on it's difficulty of use, shall we?

^ I was thinking the exact same thing, this topic wasn't made so people can make fun of it, but rather what people should expect from it.

well, we certainly know it will be different.

i think any change is good. simple processor upgrades or software upgrades aren't very much of a step. change is always, although it may be backwards.

Of course you can, with changed controls. Just like the GCN controller VS the PS2 VS the Xbox. Sure, theres a striking difference now, but its the same basic scheme.

At any rate, there're talks of a controller "shell" peripheral which makes it into a traditional controller, and so that could solve the problem as well.

The impression I get from the online consensus is that this thing is a change for the better, and it has the potential to, well, revolutionize gaming. Even EA Games wants to develop for it.



My wrist only starts to hurt after three sets of tough tennis. I doubt the revolution controller will cause any more pain than a traditional controller. And it doesn't really matter where you are, since motion is detected by gyroscopes, rather than the way it is with past light guns.



Your point? Wouldn't actually slashing downward be more natural than pressing quarter circle forward a+b?



NES zapper and Super Scope. Nintendo has made light guns in the past, they're not going to screw this up.



I'm getting the impression you didn't even see the mockup video of the revolution controller in use. How about you watch that first, then you come back and continue this arguement.

As for the fast reflexes, they have this thing called tiered difficulty level...



Not really, since I don't know anyone who can't hold a remote control comfortably. Meanwhile, My friend has trouble with the Gamecube controller, while I struggle with the xbox controller.



You know this because? And guess who would have more fun actually playing.



Read up on your videogame history. Nintendo did NOT make the powerglove. Mattel (the company that makes barbie) did. You really can't blame them though, the idea was there, but the technology wasn't. Nintendo has put a lot of research into this, and nintendo hardware has always been of superior quality.



I can't see anyone turned off by this controller, except for fanboys. It seems like one of those things that is easy to learn (for your 70 year olds and little kids), but difficult to master (for the gamer). This is exactly the way Smash Bros is, and that's exactly the reason why everyone likes it so much.



As opposed to throwing a boomerang or remarking how much your controller looks like the Dreamcast controller? You can find a reason to hate any controller.

i saw it about a week ago on IGN. i never knew what the rev's controller looked like, so i typed it in on google. and the ign site came up. i saw the controllers and i thought "nooooo that cant be it, thats gotta be like the remote to a dvd system or something" then i saw the video, and i was like ":mellow: ooookay..." have fun with that. look at the video, and listen to the sounds that the "games" are making as the player swing their remotes like fools. to me this implies that the games will be arcade like. which turned me off. to me this is a gimmick, more than trying to be "revolutional" i mean c'mon without this new controller, what else does the nintendo have to offer that the others dont? the others have better games and more fans. which pits revolution in 3rd again. so what did they do? the brilliant idea of the remote. and if it is not a gimmick, why did they have a WHOLE commercial centered around the controller? BEFORE advertising even a clip or photo of a graphics shot at the least. and actually, it seems as though to me that the revs controller makes things more complicated, throwing your arms about, and hopping around just to play a damn game, ehhhh. geared towards kids much?
please someone, please explain to me how, in detail, you would play a game like prince of persia with this controller. please.



whats my controller? are you talking about xbox? because, i dont even own an xbox 1.

but the 360 doesnt look much like the dreamcast controller.

erm close to same color and thats about it.

He means the original xbox. Which is litterally, just a friggin black copy of the dreamcast copy, except with a few differences.


Compare that
to that.

I see...at least four more buttons on the Xbox's, one more control stick, and a much more ergonomical design...

Sounds like sour grapes and fanboyism to me. Well, if you're not into the immersiveness, and if you're really concerned that you'll look like a "retard," then obviously the revolution is not for you. I can't imagine why someone who calls themself a gamer would think this way, but to each his own.



I've never played any of the newer Prince of Persia games, but from what I saw of Sands of Time, I'm sure it's playable with the analog stick dongle.

The only game I can't see it being played with are fighters, and ironically, Super Smash Bros.



Very good, you linked to an image from Sockmaster's Controller Family tree. But did you take a look at it? The Xbox line can clearly trace its roots to the DC controller.

Look at the button/stick locations, the color scheme, the expansion slots. It's clear that the 360 was heavily influenced by the DC. Hell, take a look at this:

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145154&did=1

Although that kinda diverges from the point about controllers, you get the point.

yea the xbox controller looks like an advanced dc controller.

fanboyism? lol and what system am i being a fanboy to? i dont even want an xbox 1.5. i never even said anything good about it. so what are you talking about? your the one making constant threads dissing sony buddy i WAS hoping nintendo would come back and woop ass, but then they do this, they just had to do something that would give them controversy. and it is, indeed giving them controversy.


and as for the dc controller and the 360 one. first off they are two TOTALLY different shapes. thats should already shut down that theory, look at it as from artist stand point. wow the analog and the D-pad are in the same spot, wow. but how many things can i list that are different? well the start and select buttons are in a totally different spot, the secondary triggers are in a totally different spot also sooooooo. its like saying pokemon and full metal alchaemist look the same just cause they are animes. and besides, even if it did look like the dc controller thats not a reason to hate it, because at least ps3 and 360 controller dont change almost everything.



naw, for prince it would be difficult. its not about the analog, its about the combinations, fighting combos and acrobatic moves, like running up the walls, and controlling the sands. ESPECIALLY with the newer versions. it just cant be done or at least done well.

its not all about that man, thats just another peice as to why its bad. It would effect my gameplay for an ultimately unecessary cause,and it would make my accuracy worse, my control worse, and limit me from things i wanna do. another huge huge flaw that was pointed out to me from my friends and even my female friends is "look how far the b and o (is it o?) buttons are from where your hand is!" thats a huge flaw. and will ruin ALOT, and slow your movements down also. wow i didnt even notice that.

You're already dismissing the controller, implying that it will be hated by a large percentage even though the vast majority of people who have actually played it absolutely love it. This is not to say you can't have a different opinion. However, the reasons you have used to support this opinion are extremely superficial. Seriously, who the hell cares what they look like when playing videogames? And the video was just something to emphasize how different the controller was, and how it could attract so many people. In fact, I don't see how playing with this controller would make you look retarded anyway. If you're so against the idea of going through the motion of swinging a sword or shooting a gun, why are you playing a sword game or shooter in the first place? Do you say "Hahaha, Mitsurugi looks like a retard!" when playing Soul Calibur? The character would only move like a retard if the person holding the controller moved in an akward fashion. If one has problems swinging a sword correctly, it's not the controller's fault.

What's your point about me making threads that point out what Sony is doing wrong? Maybe because Sony IS doing something wrong (unless you actually like rootkits and a corporation perverting the artform of graffiti and the Kutaragi talking arrogantly). Maybe if the validity of what Sony is doing is debatable, you'd have a point, but the allow a customer's system to be exploited and vandalizing public property is unnacceptable from a company. I'm not the only one that believes this either, nor am I the one making threads on these matters. If you're not concerned, you really should read up on it.



Shape? Give me a break. That's like saying the SNES controller didn't influence the DualShock because it doesn't have handles. The handles are angled on the Xbox controller. If you subtract the extra buttons the Xbox 360 has (it was made for console FPSes while the DC's controller was more geared towards fighters), they look very similar. In fact, I believe Microsoft even admitted that the original Xbox controller was based on the DC's controller.

I don't think I said I hate the 360 controller. I feel quite the opposite, it looks like it's a change for the better from the original Xbox controller, especially the relocation of the white and black buttons to triggers.



Again, I admit that I have no experience playing the new Prince of Persia games, so it would be imprudent for me to argue here. If indeed it requires more than what the Rev controller can provide, then the gamer can always revert back to the standard controller shell.



I don't know, to me it seems like it'll help gameplay out alot. Ever since I've been playing videogames, I've thought "if only it felt like I was more in the game." The controller is pretty small (I believe about the same size as a NES controller). If anything, it seems like it would enhance gameply because corresponding movements are more natural than button combinations.

Jesus Christ, what have I created....?