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 Nov 26 2005, 10:37 PM
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QUOTE(saintruthanne @ Nov 26 2005, 8:27 PM) If homosexuals grew up in devout Christian families, who cares? So what if they know its wrong? Obviously they've been exposed to it somewhere, i.e. public school, TV, possibly church....and they might be rebelling or they don't agree with their family that homosexuality is wrong. You know that picking your nose is bad, but you do it anyway right? you know that lying is bad, but you still do it right? And, by the way, i'm not justifying being kicked out of your house.  That's the crux of the whole thing. My friend wholeheartedly agrees with his parents AND the Bible that homosexuality is wrong. This belief that the way he is was "detestable" was why he tried so hard for YEARS to change himself. He was, and still is to this day, the most devout Christian I know and he followed everything that his church, his parents, and the Bible (ESPECIALLY the book of Leviticus) taught him to do. His orientation is the one thing that he couldn't possibly control no matter how hard he fought and it is the one thing that keeps him from being accepted in his family and his church community. He believes that he is detestable to God and tries desperately to change himself but he is unable to turn himself straight. |
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Nov 26 2005, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(Tribal J_Rome @ Nov 26 2005, 11:36 PM) ^so ur saying u choose to be straight? please, i'm not gay and i'm smart enought to know they don't have a choice. i find that funny, no offense but try doing ur research first next time you try to sound like you know what you're talking about cuz you obviously don't know so much ignorance in here..  so....what am i ignorant about?? i think you're the stupid one here. of course you're born straight!! did you choose to be straight? were YOU born gay and then SWITCHED to straight?? You wouldn't believe what I said whether I researched or not, so don't throw that "research" stuff at me. QUOTE(yummy_delight @ Nov 26 2005, 11:37 PM) That's the crux of the whole thing. My friend wholeheartedly agrees with his parents AND the Bible that homosexuality is wrong. This belief that the way he is was "detestable" was why he tried so hard for YEARS to change himself. He was, and still is to this day, the most devout Christian I know and he followed everything that his church, his parents, and the Bible (ESPECIALLY the book of Leviticus) taught him to do. His orientation is the one thing that he couldn't possibly control no matter how hard he fought and it is the one thing that keeps him from being accepted in his family and his church community. He believes that he is detestable to God and tries desperately to change himself but he is unable to turn himself straight. I'm glad that he knows its wrong....really. If REALLY wants to get out of the homosexual lifestyle, and he's repenting of it, and he's asking God for help, he will come out of the lifestyle. he IS able to come out of it....have you ever heard of homosexuals anonymous? |
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Nov 26 2005, 11:41 PM
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Homosexuality is not wrong. It is not a defect. It is not horrible. It's what people are. It's not a choice, it's not an addiction, it's not a disease, it's not a "problem" or an "issue". That's who they're attracted to.
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Nov 26 2005, 11:50 PM
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^ Exactly.
Most homosexuals, if they had the choice, would definitely rather be straight. Think of all the discrimination that people have against them, all the pressures in life from keeping a huge secret, from not being accepted even by your closest family members. IF homosexuality was a choice, most would choose to be straight. Unfortunately, that's not the case. You can't "learn" to be gay, people are born with it. |
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Nov 27 2005, 12:08 AM
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i have always wondered that question, since i have heard that its true before
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Nov 27 2005, 12:47 AM
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QUOTE(gigiopolis @ Nov 26 2005, 11:50 PM) ^ Exactly. Most homosexuals, if they had the choice, would definitely rather be straight. Think of all the discrimination that people have against them, all the pressures in life from keeping a huge secret, from not being accepted even by your closest family members. IF homosexuality was a choice, most would choose to be straight. Unfortunately, that's not the case. You can't "learn" to be gay, people are born with it. i dont think they'd choose to be straight.. you love who you love. it would probably be horrible to have to turn your back on that. but i completely agree otherwise. as society has grown and changed, so did new views.. maybe over time people caused the idea of homosexuality to come about. i dont know. its existed for centuries. its not a disease. a homosexual doesnt need to be "cured" of "saved". they just like people of the same sex, just as heterosexuals like people of the opposite sex. |
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Nov 27 2005, 01:11 AM
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There's always a case where a straight man is so uncomfortable with himself and women that he has a reaction formation and thinks he's gay.
That's kinda like turning gay. But only stimulated by a subconscious survival tool. IMO you're bi and nurtured to a side. |
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Nov 27 2005, 01:20 AM
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QUOTE(insomniac @ Nov 26 2005, 9:47 PM) i dont think they'd choose to be straight.. you love who you love. it would probably be horrible to have to turn your back on that. but i completely agree otherwise. as society has grown and changed, so did new views.. maybe over time people caused the idea of homosexuality to come about. i dont know. its existed for centuries. its not a disease. a homosexual doesnt need to be "cured" of "saved". they just like people of the same sex, just as heterosexuals like people of the opposite sex. Sorry I wasn't clear about that. Well, obviously if they liked their own sex they wouldn't want to be straight...so they wouldn't choose to be straight... But I'm saying like...social acceptance-wise. Say a baby in the womb has no sexual preference. If the baby were to know about the challenges of being accepted as a homosexual, they'd choose to be straight. What I'm trying to say is that if people had a choice, they wouldn't want to be shunned from society. Heh, sorry. |
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Nov 27 2005, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(DaTru KataLYST @ Nov 27 2005, 1:11 AM) There's always a case where a straight man is so uncomfortable with himself and women that he has a reaction formation and thinks he's gay. That's kinda like turning gay. But only stimulated by a subconscious survival tool. IMO you're bi and nurtured to a side. That's not true either. One of my friends is gay and he was brought up in a highly Christian home where homosexuality was not accepted, at all. Any time he showed any "gay" tendancies, he was told not to, and to do something different, more "straight". How would that be nurturing him to a different side? And hmm, have you read any previous posts? Because we've been through this already. This topic is going around in circles, so I'll post mine again. QUOTE I think it has to do with hormones, the way your hormones interact with eachother. You weren't actually attracted to someone until you went through puberty, right? Why wouldn't it be the same with gay people? Gender is just another aspect of attraction, like the color of someone's hair or a part of their personality. Different people are attracted to different things. Just as I am usually interested more in guys with darker hair, someone else may be attracted to guys with blonde hair. And just as I am attracted to guys, another girl may be attracted to another girl. Same thing. Your hormones control the qualities of a person that you are attracted to. Why wouldn't it be the same for gay people as it is for straight? Both types of people are people.
And before anyone asks, because people have, the reason this isn't true for animals is because our hormones are more developed than theirs. We include more to be attracted to, because the way in which a human looks, acts, how their personality is, etc. varies so much from the next human. That's not true for animals. A lion looks pretty much exactly like another lion. Animals don't need as diverse a range of qualities of attraction, so gender just wasn't in there. It didn't need to be with the rest. |
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Nov 27 2005, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(gigiopolis @ Nov 27 2005, 1:20 AM) Sorry I wasn't clear about that. Well, obviously if they liked their own sex they wouldn't want to be straight...so they wouldn't choose to be straight... But I'm saying like...social acceptance-wise. Say a baby in the womb has no sexual preference. If the baby were to know about the challenges of being accepted as a homosexual, they'd choose to be straight. What I'm trying to say is that if people had a choice, they wouldn't want to be shunned from society. Heh, sorry. ah. i completely agree. |
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Nov 27 2005, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE(saintruthanne @ Nov 26 2005, 8:58 PM) so....what am i ignorant about?? i think you're the stupid one here. of course you're born straight!! did you choose to be straight? were YOU born gay and then SWITCHED to straight?? You wouldn't believe what I said whether I researched or not, so don't throw that "research" stuff at me. I'm glad that he knows its wrong....really. If REALLY wants to get out of the homosexual lifestyle, and he's repenting of it, and he's asking God for help, he will come out of the lifestyle. he IS able to come out of it....have you ever heard of homosexuals anonymous? come on now, i just went to ur myspace and it says ur in community college. you should have learned this shit by now. you call me stupid and you're making statements on which you have no way in backing up. obviously you're the idiot here, why don't you take psych and you'll learn something. *ATTENTION* this just in, NOT EVERYBODY BELIEVES IN GOD! shows how narrow minded you are... |
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Nov 27 2005, 04:00 PM
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homosexuals anonymous. hahahahhaa. I understand it may exist, but it's as if it's inferring that being homosexual is negative.
But yea Tribal J_Rome > saintruthanne Using God as an argument in here should be prohibited. You're trying to pursuade non-believers (mostly), thus you shouldn't be using God as an argument. |
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Nov 27 2005, 06:32 PM
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i read in a magazine once that scientists believe that its ginetic
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Nov 27 2005, 10:31 PM
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That's amazing and does not contribute anything to our debate at all, considering we are discussing our own opinions!
And it's genetic. |
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Nov 27 2005, 10:33 PM
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hmm really its genetic? haha wow.. but i still believe that theyare born straight but its just there decision on which way they want to "turn" lol
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Nov 27 2005, 10:55 PM
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i believe that homosexuals got to where they are through more than one way...I mean, not ALL of them were "nurtured" down the path of homosexuality because of the environment around them//how they were brought up when they were kids.
I think that yes, it is a genetic problem//chemicals in their brain. however...i believe that this doesn't account for all homosexuals out there. There are also those who were originally straight, but due to the environment they were brought up in, they were slowly nurtured to homosexuality. This explains why some homosexuals say there were born that way (the genetic problem), and some say they were originally straight, then became homosexual/bi (nurtured//led a confused path in their childhood years/etc.). hope this makes sense, this is at least my opinion... |
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Nov 27 2005, 11:36 PM
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homosexuality is unnatural.
i think people are born gay becauuse there is some problem with them that leads them to be attracted to males. Naturally, men are attracted to females for the purpose of reproducing so an attraction to men by men is unordinary. (please don't think im homophobic, i have gay friends. I just see it as totally wrong from a natural standpoint.) |
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Nov 28 2005, 01:18 PM
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I love how there's an entire thread of heterosexuals speaking on behalf of homosexuals. Just as I was reading this (in the computer lab on campus), I asked one of my classmates (who is openly gay) if this were a choice or if was born gay.
He told me it was his choice. What I'm trying to understand is how someone who isn't gay is able to speak so strongly in favor of the 'they were born gay' argument. It doesn't really make much sense and any claim lacks credibility if you aren't actually gay. My personal opinion; does it make a difference? |
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Nov 28 2005, 01:24 PM
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^ you must have noticed that bi sexuals also gave their opinion. I wouldn't say "speaking on behalf of..." i'lld say "giving an opinion". Definately we aren't 100 % sure what is what but we are saying what we THINK is what.
I didn't choose to be bisexual, i didn't choose to be attracted to girls...like i said earlier on, sexuality is not really debatable. Maybe it was your friend's choice but it wasn't my step brother's choice. He's had different girlfriends, but he's gay. He said that he liked the girls he dated but now he's 100 % gay. He didn't choose to be gay...he doesn't know how to explain it actually. I'm guessing one day, he had an erection when he saw justin timberlake's body  . Lol
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Nov 28 2005, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Nov 28 2005, 1:18 PM) I love how there's an entire thread of heterosexuals speaking on behalf of homosexuals. Just as I was reading this (in the computer lab on campus), I asked one of my classmates (who is openly gay) if this were a choice or if was born gay. He told me it was his choice. What I'm trying to understand is how someone who isn't gay is able to speak so strongly in favor of the 'they were born gay' argument. It doesn't really make much sense and any claim lacks credibility if you aren't actually gay. Well, if you read the thread, I did mention testimony from a friend of mine who is gay, who said that it isn't a choice. |
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Nov 28 2005, 03:18 PM
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Homosexuality is genetic. Acting upon your genetic impulses is a choice (for humans, barring out any free will arguements). Consider that or something.
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Nov 28 2005, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE(verlorenrivets @ Nov 28 2005, 3:18 PM) Homosexuality is genetic. Acting upon your genetic impulses is a choice (for humans, barring out any free will arguements). Consider that or something. i dont think its genetic.. i think its cultivated out of society. its not like, if you like to buy clothes, you must be gay. no. its formed out of centuries of... such a "rich" culture. |
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Nov 28 2005, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE Using God as an argument in here should be prohibited. You're trying to pursuade non-believers (mostly), thus you shouldn't be using God as an argument. Well as a believer you are invading my freedom of speech. If I cannot talk about God in my own opinionated words then you should not be able to voice that you feel that i shouldn't talk about him. God is the only thing that keeps me happy in my life & I will continue to use him as an argument in everything i say. Now...Personally...I have a gay friend & a lez friend...I do not treat them any different than before or any different than my other friends....BUT...I do not agree with them. They both come from hard background..bad father....etc...(which i believe has caused their homosexuality) Plus...the lesbian has always been boy crazy...like there was NEVER any hint of her becoming a lesbian...BUT she did always want to be the center of attention & as soon as everyone at my school starting turning "homosexual" BAM! she was a lesbian....From being around both of them everyday I conclude that you are NOT born homosexual...& that homosexuality is purely a confused person. Now dont get me wrong...I TRUELY believe that a "gay" person believes 100% in their mind that they are gay BUT I also believe that they are only mislead and confused. But you cannot blame them for that. |
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Nov 28 2005, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE(insomniac @ Nov 28 2005, 5:31 PM) i dont think its genetic.. i think its cultivated out of society. its not like, if you like to buy clothes, you must be gay. no. its formed out of centuries of... such a "rich" culture. Those aren't really the same thing. Sexuality isn't in the same category as an interest in buying clothes. Just because one is influenced by society, does not mean the other is, too. |
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Nov 28 2005, 05:36 PM
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I stick by my opinion.
How can it really be a choice? Do you choose who you're attracted to? No, you just are. You can't help it. You can either hide it or give into it, yes, but you will be attracted to them, no matter how much you try to tell yourself you aren't. |
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