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QUOTE okay answer this question, without a white history month right now, do you think we are deprived from knowing your history? without a white history month now, people know about white history more than any other. minorities can probably answer more questions that would concern "white history"(i rather say history that has to do with caucasions) than they can their own. including myself. dont you realize that? white history is basically history itself in america. with a splash of some black accomplishments. for example, if i went to school and asked a white kid (or even asian or hispanic etc) to name 10 black inventors. they could most likely only answer one "george washington Carver". do you think they would know any of these names? those are all black inventors and their inventions, did you even know that sammi? i know i didnt even know some of those inventors. i hope i made a good point. It seems more like you're pointing out that the average American teenager is ignorant about US History. That's different from what we're talking about. Agreeing with Spirited here, you can't say that people of other ethincitys(sp?), know more about American inventors, just because they're minorities. You're making a really broad generalization when you say that most kids wouldn't be able to name 10 black inventors. Black or not, I'd be surprised if I could meet someone on the street able to name me any 10 inventors who contributed to US History. (In my opinion there seem to be very few.) Also, when you say that American History is blatant White History, I disagree. People of many different backgrounds had a lot to do with shaping America as it is today. During the Gold Rush Chinese immigration highly influenced California's cultural standings, along with the large amount of Mexican traditions that are heavily imprinted in areas in Southwest America. Those ase just a few examples. My point is, there's nothing wrong with having a month to honor and celebrate someone's culture or cultural roots, but it's not the same thing when you're demanding some sort of recognition or compensation because of your skin color or something that happened to people of your race hundreds of years ago. Holding on to past grudges does not pull us closer to the future, but moreover holds us back. As corny as it sounds, our differences as people should be what defines this country as a whole, not what divides it. |
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QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Nov 8 2005, 7:02 PM) and btw im not agianst an asian history month of any sort at all. matter of fact i think, i know, there should be one. that goes with any other minority. ![]() |
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QUOTE What do you mean 'without knowing there were more'? This is another stereotype. You're basically accusing White and Asians of being ignorant to the contributions of Black Americans, which is absurd and discriminatory! what!? no! lol its funny how the only races you heard out of all that was white and asian. i said white, asian, hispanic etc including blacks. im not singleing out anyone. and why would i single out asians? QUOTE If you mean to say that we are undermining Black contributions because we don't know their names, that is just as silly and unfounded. If you were to ask a random person on the street who James Garfield was, they'd give you a blank look. So why do you expect someone to know names specifically? Do you know who James Garfield is without using any research tools? I hope you should answer no, or else I won't believe you. first of all, James Garfield was a president. ask a harder question than that. i knew that as soon as you said it. ill answer more stuff later. right now, i gotta memorize a Mark Antony monologue ![]() |
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![]() Quand j'étais jeune... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 ![]() |
QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Nov 8 2005, 8:38 PM) first of all, James Garfield was a president. ask a harder question than that. i knew that as soon as you said it. ill answer more stuff later. right now, i gotta memorize a Mark Antony monologue ![]() What's the point of asking you harder stuff when you can use a search engine? You knew who James Garfield is? LOL without looking it up? I refuse to believe it when you didn't even know there was a month dedicated to Asian heritage. QUOTE what!? no! lol its funny how the only races you heard out of all that was white and asian. i said white, asian, hispanic etc including blacks. im not singleing out anyone. and why would i single out asians? ... if all the races I read were white and asian, why did I mentioned blacks and hispanics before that? I specifically said whites and asians because I was referring to groups Sammi and myself can identify with, thus "we" is used in the same passage. Get it now? Try reading the whole thing next time before accusing me of bigotry in so many words. |
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QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Nov 8 2005, 11:30 PM) What's the point of asking you harder stuff when you can use a search engine? You knew who James Garfield is? LOL without looking it up? I refuse to believe it when you didn't even know there was a month dedicated to Asian heritage. ... if all the races I heard was white and asian, why did I mentioned blacks and hispanics before that? I specifically said white and asian because I was referring to Sammi and myself, thus "we". Get it now? ![]() i always remember him because his name reminds me of garfield the cat :). i knew there was some kind of asian heritage month or whatever but i was too lazy to edit my post. but i dont know when or anything....because its not like anyone makes it known ![]() |
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ok, id like to segway back to the actual topic we're debating..if thats ok?
theres nothing wrong with celebrating various cultures. id even be ok with months dedicated to them. but race has absolutely nothing to do with culture. nothing. id actually provide examples but ive got a test tommorrow, an essay to write on a book i havent read..and...to read my history chapter. |
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QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Nov 8 2005, 10:34 PM) i always remember him because his name reminds me of garfield the cat :). i knew there was some kind of asian heritage month or whatever but i was too lazy to edit my post. but i dont know when or anything....because its not like anyone makes it known ![]() Oh, isn't that the whole point of the thread though? How some races get more recognition and overcompensation than others? ![]() I think you just disproved your own point there, buddy. |
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QUOTE(disco infiltrator @ Nov 8 2005, 11:49 PM) Oh, isn't that the whole point of the thread though? How some races get more recognition and overcompensation than others? ![]() I think you just disproved your own point there, buddy. Oh yeaaaah!? well then. the whole point of the post actually is about should there be a white history month! so HA! yeah you just got pwned :D |
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okay i only read the first post, but it reminded me of a time when my dad was watching an african american awards show and then said "and to think. they would be mad if we had an all white show". now, i assure you, we are not racist, but that is a good point.
i think we all need to drop this whole he said she said racism bullshit and get on with our lives. living with people of mixed races makes life more enjoyable. id rather have that than to all be the same. |
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your dad is the most racist person ever ;)
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I think everyone should watch the Boondocks. 'Nuff said.
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that show is the shit
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incoherents' dad is the most racist person ever everyone :D
but i guess the boondocks is racist too huh? ![]() HEY EVERYONE! WATCH THIS: clickit lol time for yall to get edumacated [this is just a joke for all you dramatic folks out there ![]() |
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QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Nov 8 2005, 10:51 PM) Oh yeaaaah!? well then. the whole point of the post actually is about should there be a white history month! so HA! yeah you just got pwned :D I haven't seen anyone who is actually pushing for a white history month, but rather, just using it to make a point that there shouldn't be any since only one is really recognized, and overly so. I see you haven't responded to my related post in "I wish I was white". May I ask why? ![]() Because I completely proved what I've been saying the whole time with solid facts and statistics that can't be argued with? Perhaps I should post that post here, ending that point. |
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QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Nov 8 2005, 10:34 PM) i always remember him because his name reminds me of garfield the cat :). i knew there was some kind of asian heritage month or whatever but i was too lazy to edit my post. but i dont know when or anything....because its not like anyone makes it known ![]() If you knew there is an Asian heritage month, the choice of words you used was completely off. That lends me the evidence that, as Sammi has said, you disproved your own argument. As for Garfield, don't play me for a fool. Average college students don't know the answer. You're saying that White folks don't know Black inventors, well, let me tell you something. Be it Whites, Blacks, Asians, Hispanics...etc, the average Joe cannot name all American presidents. If you mean to say that any minority group is undermined, think about the fact that even American Presidents, the group that should be most well-known, remains unknown to the majority of the population. |
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When ever I ask the question of why there is no white history month. I always get the same answer that every month is white history month. Or why do we need a black history month? Because Blacks have been mistreated and blah blah blah. Do we have a Jewish history month. Does Germany have a Jewish history month. No. I think the Jews went through a whole lot more. It doesn't make any sense. Black history month is politically correct racism. It has gotten to a point where we have gotten away from the idea of a unity that Martin Luther King taught, in fact it past that and moved to the other extreme. Everything works against white people, espcially men if there not gay. Again there is no problem with celebrating your heritage but why cant we celebrate humanity.
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alright, before i say anything i just wanna say that i haven't read this whole thread. so i'm just putting the first thing that comes into my head here.
to the person above me: you said "because blacks have been mistread and blah blah blah." that comes across as a little disrespectful to me. i don't think you can address the suffering of a huge number of people WHATEVER race they are as "blah blah blah." i mean, we all know what you're talking about, but i don't think it sounds right. whether it's "the jews suffered so much blah blah blah," or "black people suffered so much blah blah blah" it doesn't sound right to me. ![]() and to the point somebody made a little while ago. "some races get more recognition and overcompensation than others..." what the hell is wrong with that? i think it's better to give compensation and recognition NO MATTER WHAT to WHATEVER race. the question shouldn't be about giving "too much," but rather about being glad that there actually is recognition. and in my opinion, in the united states every month is white history. what's the point of dedicating a white history month to a predominantly white culture? ![]() |
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Sorry about the blah blah blah thing. Didn't want to reittarate what was state so many times before. No Disrespect was meant by that. How ever. Saying every month is white history month is unfair. This country was founded by white eastern Europeans. Therefore the history potrays that. The history of the US up until the time of slavery was white. So how is that discrimination. Do you have to change history to make everybody feel good. What is in the books is what happened for the most part. Africans were brought over as slaves which was pretty f*d up, but that was for the most part the first time in AMERICAN history that they appeared. Not to say Africa didn't exist before that. but most American schools teach American history or world history. Not being my fault but for the most part European and Asia where the main aspects of that . Whether it is because they wrote the history books or that they were more advanced is not the issue. The issue is that it is a complete turn around to what equality is susposed to be by having a black history month. I don't think there should be a white history month either but if there is a black there should be white, asia, hispanic, etc. It is not fair to hold the black population above ALL others. All men are created equally.
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i understand what you mean, and i think we're saying something similar.
to me, i think every month is a white history month, and i agree with what you're saying. you can't change it, because what was written down is how it went. because our culture is predominantly white. that is exactly my point. therefore, having a white history month is just stupid and pointless. however, just because you have a black history month doesn't mean you need a white one. i agree that other races should get recognition (but again, why white when the culture is predominantly white), but i do not think that the black population is "held above all others." are you saying that because there's ONLY a black history month that we should just get rid of it to make everyone feel better? so that nobody else is excluded? i think that we should be PROUD of special recognition, and put things into perspective. it seems like the argument for a white history month then turns into an argument against black history month, because it's obviously inconveniant to create a month for the 1923892785 cultures that are out there. i don't think that right. ![]() we should just be happy that there is a black history month, and that recognition is great. while there definetly should be more cultural recognition in the united states, i think that it's a good start. |
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QUOTE(cmoiles @ Dec 6 2005, 12:44 PM) The issue is that it is a complete turn around to what equality is susposed to be by having a black history month. I don't think there should be a white history month either but if there is a black there should be white, asia, hispanic, etc. It is not fair to hold the black population above ALL others. All men are created equally. Black History month isn't about changing history, or raising one race above another; it's about recognizing the accomplishments of one race. To understand Black History Month, you have to know its history. Its roots began in 1926--a time a scant sixty years after the end of the slavery in America, where Blacks were still looked down upon as poor, uneducated, second-class citizens. Black History Month was an attempt to bring greater recognition to a people who had not gotten much recognition in America. |
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QUOTE(TreesTurnMeOn @ Jan 22 2005, 12:15 PM) Okay, so I am not trying to be racist or anything, but who here agrees with me that the black people are getting way more recognition than the whites? Now we have black history month, black activists month, and negro colleges/college funds? This is just not fair. Everyone believes that if we have a white history month then we will be racist? We aren't. Blacks are getting everything nowadays and if the white people try to put say into anything, it gets shoved back in our face as a racist comment. I love black history and everything, but I have pride in being white and we get no recognition whatsoever? Does anyone agree with me.. And please don't say I am being racist. I live in the South for God's sake. To answer this question personally, no I don't think African Americans are getting too much 'credit'. I don't think you're being racist either, its just an Curious George question. In my opinion, black people deserve the acknowledgment that they are getting now. African Americans are just now starting to get enough recognition that they deserve. Most whites don't know what its like to be a slave, and today neither do the African Americans---but their ancestors do. ((And slavery just didn't occur doing the times that history books show, I know some of you aren't religious---or Christians, but slavery was traced back (((or some believe))) to the lives of Cain and Able in the Bible.)) Whites don't know what its like to struggle with life because most are born into financial stable families. There are scholarship programs for the African American because most can't afford to go to college. Not saying that all whites are rich and that all whites can afford to go to college, but blacks are a larger part of the minority and they need it more than others. If we want America to survive, and not to plummet, we need to accept the equality of education of all races, genders, ages, and etc... America is on its way to getting outsourced ((and outsmarted)) by other countries. We know of Columbus and how he practically claimed America as his own even though the Indians lived their first. But what we have to get used to is the fact that its a white man's country and there will never be such things as equal rights, only because humans exist. There will always be faults in the world as long as ignorance of man ((or woman)) prevails. |
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mzbbc, if you will note that compensating a race is very, very racist.
what compensating a race does is it tells people look, because of you're race, you're inferior, and here, because of that, we'll help you. also, if you don't think compensating a race is racist, imagine if it were compensating whites. could i go out and create a "distinguished whites" scholarship where i paid exemplary whites to go to college? probably not. however, may "distiguished black" scholarships exist, and are equally racist. two wrongs don't make a right, and two evils don't make a good. |
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QUOTE There are scholarship programs for the African American because most can't afford to go to college. Not saying that all whites are rich and that all whites can afford to go to college, but blacks are a larger part of the minority and they need it more than others. If we want America to survive, and not to plummet, we need to accept the equality of education of all races, genders, ages, and etc... America is on its way to getting outsourced ((and outsmarted)) by other countries. wow. you're sounding pretty racist. QUOTE but blacks are a larger part of the minority and they need it more than others. if you really believe in equality of the races, then there is no minority. and i dont know where you live, but there are plenty of white people who cant afford to go to college. you're acting as though african-americans need to be helped because they cant live by themselves or something?.. ![]() wow. |
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