thanks bunches!

here's the thing tho: his daughter has no problem with the words "under God". she says them willingly. the guy and his wife are divorced, and the wife is a born-again Christian, and the daughter follows Christian values. he's just using her as an excuse to fight it against having those words in the pledge.

It's always been there. Why is our country suddenly questioning everything that it was built on? Geeze. If you don't like that we are "one nation under God," then leave that line out. It's simple, but that doesn't mean that everyone has to say it or no one can.

No!!! It needs to stay there!!! Its all about respecting our country, our forefathers and most importantly GOD!!!

No... leave it in, it's been like that forever... why start complaining about it now??
And also, people aren't forced to recite it... i never do, I just stand up..

At my school we have to stand and say the pledge or we are sent to the office i been down 13 times for refusing to say the pledge....i love me country i really do...but not sayin the pledge everyday of my school career doesnt mean i dont love it ne less....i dont say it because there is one thing that i dont agree with...the fact that religion is begin forced on me in school

i believe that the athiests have rights too.. and it's not always "majorty counts"...

it's become such a ruitine that i don't even remeber that i do it everyday

no

all i have to say is that

the goverment is stupid

1. always got something to hide

2. always think they can handle everything on their own

3. think the public is a bunch of rats

4. think that public voteing is an "educational" way of saying "yes we are giving you power" when i bet in the end the goverment forced all those electives

and 5. the goverment sux period. Their gay laws

and this has to be the dumbest of them all "oh no you cant say "undergod" in school anymore what shal we do?"

i say no and its not like the poll counts and i hate the stupid government. thank to them i cant go back home becuase i have to have a green card i order to come bck to the Philippines. Screw theGovenment an their stupid laws an shut up! if ur atiest y do u post here its not likeu can do aything about it.

And you can?
They want to be heard and you should let them. The"no" choice on the poll is there for a reason you know.
And before you start rambling about how they're going to hell, God loves everyone. Even those who don't believe in him. If he didn't love them, then that kind of contradicts everything that's been said about him.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi
Oh BTW, I'm Catholic and by no means an atheist.

^ Damn, That's pretty deep. Where'd you find that? Or did you take the pic?

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

THe bible was written by many diffrent authors. It goes by the JEDP theory. J for yahwists who believed god in form of personification or as bieng humanly. Elohists - I forgot their motives, gotta look up rel notes on this, Deutronomony - forgot also, and priestly - which was made by priests to get people to practice the faith more. THats the reason why when you read the bible you see soo many diffrent versions of one event. For example, the creation stories. Theres a yahwist and priestly version.

But what im getting here is that the Bible was written by many diffrent people, incorporating cultural diffrences and needs of that time. The real message of the scriptures are not visibly seen they are up to your interpretation. Thats why people say the bible is alive, because each time you read it you may come to a diffrent conclusion of the message.

As for proving religion. Thats impossible. Religion itself especially christianity is based on faith and interpretation. THe religion will always change even if new scientific finds disagree with it.

For example, Scientifically the earth could not be formed in seven days. What do we say now? It was written in the interpretation of what God days or how long God days might be.

As for the created in God's image, It is not to be taken literally. It means we were built in the image to do good like God. But to others it may be taken literally. Thats the hard part about religion. You really dont know the real belief of one's real religion unless you study it. Heck ive been FORCED to study it by going to a catholic school all my life and still am and I still dont know alot of concepts. And frankly im not up to read the whole CCC (catholic catechism of the catholic church).

As for the 'under god' my views stay the same as it did on the earlier post. The guy is merly using his daughter to promote athiesism without the oppertunity to state what others believe.

Greetings!!

tat's a pretty good explanation but hey, we all will end up other GOD at the end of it all!!

CHEERS CB!!

I just say leave it in because it's always been that way. They can't make you say the pledge in the morning. In fact, I don't really say the pledge anymore.

the pledge is already optional, and no one puts a gun to your head and forces you to say it...the beauty of this country is you can say what you want and believe what you want, so why make a case. It's retarded.

Hmmmmm... This is a tough one... Keeping "Under God" in the pledge would be blending in with public religion, but taking it out would be against your religion... Argh, I have no idea!

No it should not. Is it harming anybody? No. It's not doing anything bad to anybody in the country, so why should it be changed? Just because it says God, woooo~ everybody's all scared and uptight about it.

Geez. If you dont like it, then dont say the Pledge of Alliegance at all.

yehh i agree!! at least have respect!

yup.... take it out.... NOW.... lol i just dont like that .... ah so were the only one ey?

please move this to debate

i've always thought it should be taken out. our country is supposed to be a diverse one where all religions are accepted and cherished; so why must we say "under God" when a lot of people don't believe in God or believe in a religion other than Christianity? I'm atheist, and when we say the pledge in the morning i say everything BUT "under god" because i choose not too. some people look at me weird but i could care less...not my problem.

"NEW! Polls are not allowed in debate forum. It's because debate aren't voting on sides. Debates are giving evidence to prove your own points. If everybody vote, there there'll be no point to debate"

under debate guidelines. i know this topic was made a while ago, but since the guidelines restrict polls, is it possible that a mod take the poll away?

It really depends on how you look at it... I don't think it's necessary to take it out... this idea of seperation of church and state isn't specifically writen into our Constitution and this country *was* founded on
"Christian" values.. our founding fathers were very religious men.

Reciting the pledge of allegiance isn't required... it's optional... if you don't feel comfortable with it you can just opt not to recite it.. it's not a big deal.

Seperation of church and state.

This country is full of people that do not follow Christianity, Catholicism, etc. so why should the country itself go under a Christian flagship? Please don't argue that the country was built on the faith. Things have changed immensely. This country was also built on muskets and horses. Are you to say that we should abolish cars as well? Times have changed and we must adapt as such. I'm not anti-religious in any sense. I don't mind if people have their own religions, but do not involve them in politics concerning those that don't believe, those that have differing beliefs, and those that do believe.