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post Oct 26 2005, 01:32 AM
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please try to at least skim through this lenghty article.

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Oct. 20, 2005 —  Thirteen-year-old twins Lamb and Lynx Gaede have one album out, another on the way, a music video, and lots of fans.

They may remind you another famous pair of singers, the Olsen Twins, and the girls say they like that. But unlike the Olsens, who built a media empire on their fun-loving, squeaky-clean image, Lamb and Lynx are cultivating a much darker personna. They are white nationalists and use their talents to preach a message of hate.
Known as "Prussian Blue" — a nod to their German heritage and bright blue eyes — the girls from Bakersfield, Calif., have been performing songs about white nationalism before all-white crowds since they were nine.

"We're proud of being white, we want to keep being white," said Lynx. "We want our people to stay white … we don't want to just be, you know, a big muddle. We just want to preserve our race."
Lynx and Lamb have been nurtured on racist beliefs since birth by their mother April. "They need to have the background to understand why certain things are happening," said April, a stay-at-home mom who no longer lives with the twins' father. "I'm going to give them, give them my opinion just like any, any parent would."

April home-schools the girls, teaching them her own unique perspective on everything from current to historical events. In addition, April's father surrounds the family with symbols of his beliefs — specifically the Nazi swastika. It appears on his belt buckle, on the side of his pick-up truck and he's even registered it as his cattle brand with the Bureau of Livestock Identification.

"Because it's provocative," explains April of the cattle brand, "to him he thinks it's important as a symbol of freedom of speech that he can use it as his cattle brand."

Songs like "Sacrifice" — a tribute to Nazi Rudolf Hess, Hitler's deputy Fuhrer — clearly show the effect of the girls' upbringing. The lyrics praise Hess as a "man of peace who wouldn't give up."

"It really breaks my heart to see those two girls spewing out that kind of garbage," said Ted Shaw, civil rights advocate and president of the NAACP's Legal Defense Fund — though Shaw points out that the girls aren't espousing their own opinions but ones they're being taught.

On that point, April Gaede and Ted Shaw apparently agree.

"Well, all children pretty much espouse their parents' attitudes," she said. "We're white nationalists and of course that's a part of our life and I'm going to share that part of my life with my children."

Since they began singing, the girls have become such a force in the white nationalist movement, that David Duke — the former presidential candidate, one-time Ku-Klux-Klan grand wizard and outspoken white supremacist — uses the twins to draw a crowd.

Prussian Blue supporter Erich Gliebe, operator of one of the nation's most notorious hate music labels, Resistance Records, hopes younger performers like Lynx and Lamb will help expand the base of the White Nationalist cause.

"Eleven and 12 years old," he said, "I think that's the perfect age to start grooming kids and instill in them a strong racial identity."

Gliebe, who targets young, mainstream white rockers at music festivals like this past summer's "Ozzfest," says he uses music to get his message out.

But with names like Blue-Eyed Devils and Angry Aryans, these tunes are far more extreme than the ones sung by Lamb and Lynx.

"We give them a CD, we give them something as simple as a stick, they can go to our Web site and see other music and download some of our music," said Gliebe. "To me, that's the best propaganda tool for our youth."

Gliebe says he hopes that as younger racist listeners mature, so will their tastes for harder, angrier music like that of Shawn Sugg of Max Resist.

One of Sugg's songs is a fantasy piece about a possible future racial war that goes: "Let the cities burn, let the streets run red, if you ain't white you'll be dead."

"I'd like to compare it to gangsta rap," explained Sugg, "where they glorify, you know, shooting n****** and pimping whores."

Sugg shrugs off criticism that music like his should not be handed out to schoolyard children, arguing that "it's just music, it's not like you're handing out AK-47s."

Perhaps not, but Shaw says it's the ideas in the music that are dangerous.

"When you talk about people being dead if they're not white," said Shaw, "I don't think there is much question that that is hateful."
Despite the success of Prussian Blue and bands like Max Resist within the White Nationalism movement, most Americans don't accept their racist message.

Like many children across the country, Lamb and Lynx decided to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina — the white ones.

The girls' donations were handed out by a White Nationalist organization who also left a pamphlet promoting their group and beliefs — some of the intended recipients were more than a little displeased.

After a day of trying, the supplies ended up with few takers, dumped at a local shop that sells Confederate memorabilia.

Last month, the girls were scheduled to perform at the local county fair in their hometown. But when some people in the community protested, Prussian Blue was removed from the line-up.

But even before that, April had decided that Bakersfield was not "white" enough, so she sold her home, and hopes that she and the girls can find an all-white community in the Pacific Northwest.
 
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post Oct 27 2005, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE(EmmalieV @ Oct 27 2005, 4:49 PM)
WTF , cant the goverment or someone shut them down. Last thing we need are  little kids basically shouting out white power , ugh , this is disgusting.
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Well, as much as you disagree with their opinion, they're still entitled to it. The government would be imposing upon their First Amendment rights. Hopefully once the girls get old enough to realize what they're doing is insane, they'll change.
 
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post Oct 27 2005, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE(Retrogressive @ Oct 26 2005, 5:24 PM)
I heard about them in BUST. I guess you could sompare it to some gangsta rap but honestly-- none of the music is worth anything.

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i saw this on 20/20, so i know alot about this little situation also. how can you even say rap along any mainstream genre of music right now can even compare with someone praising hitler and spreading hate? just because you dont like rap, doesnt mean you have to be ignorant and say the stupidest things. god.
 
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post Oct 27 2005, 09:10 PM
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^ I was talking about the nazi girls!
 
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post Oct 27 2005, 09:13 PM
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but you said "it could be compared to gangsta rap" wtf?

and evan bunnell this is all i have to say to you stubborn.gif
 
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post Oct 27 2005, 09:16 PM
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Not all gansta rap, I'm sorry let me restate that. Could be compared to some American racist music. I guess the only racist comments I've heard in music is in some rap. Racist to whites and blacks. I guess I should have said that instead.

//edit not only whites and blacks I guess there is music that has racist statements to make about all races. I believe that all that music is horrible vile creations.
 
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its better than what you've heard before..... but if you say its the only racism you've heard in music before , i cant argue with that, even though there is a whole underground of racist hitler praising music that is trying to produce these girls, i cant argue with the only things you have heard. but saying it can be compared to rap is..... stretching it, and im not even a big crazy fan of gangsta rap, but i know that statement was untrue

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Tweaks:  They're "preserving" the white race because they feel that eventually down the line it's just going to be one big race of humans because of interracial relationships.  I'm not racist by any means, but I don't think I could ever be with a black woman...  latina sure, maybe asian...  But yeah, things like that.

I see many hate crimes spawning from this


dude, your racist and dont even know it
you say "i could never date a black woman, as if they are all the same
and it sounds like you agree with what the girls are doing.

im ashamed to share the same name as you stubborn.gif
 
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QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Oct 27 2005, 8:22 PM)
you say "i could never date a black woman, as if they are all the same
and it sounds like you agree with what the girls are doing.
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He's not being racist. Like he said before, it's a preference. You're being racist by being over-defensive of the races he mentioned as if they needed re-inforcement. Stop acting like you know everything.

And about the article.. why should we make such a big deal about this? They're just a couple of controversial, ignorant girls. There will always be racism which is looked upon negatively, so I doubt they'll have any real influence on society. They'll probably end up being shot if they continue being so openly racist.
 
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QUOTE(Paradox of Life @ Oct 27 2005, 10:37 PM)
He's not being racist. Like he said before, it's a preference. You're being racist by being over-defensive of the races he mentioned as if they needed re-inforcement. Stop acting like you know everything.
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im being racist by acting like these races need re-enforcement? do you even have a clue of what race i actually am? stop actinglike i know everything lol how so? explain to me. and im not the only one to call him racist by the way.
 
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post Oct 27 2005, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Oct 27 2005, 8:43 PM)
im being racist by acting like these races need re-enforcement? do you even have a clue of what race i actually am? stop actinglike i know everything lol how so? explain to me. and im not the only one to call him racist by the way.
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Um, I don't care what race you are. Nor do I care if you're the only one calling him racist. I'm not directing this only to you. And by re-enforcing those races, you're subconsciously saying that they're inferior and they need it. The dude just feels more comfortable dating someone of the same race. That's not racism.
 
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lol are you kidding me? that was my race he was talking about , im not trying to speak for anyone since IM offended. now you know how stupid your statement sounded to me.

basically saying he would date any other race except for blacks kinda erked me a bit. thats the only reason people had a problem with it.
 
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post Oct 27 2005, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Oct 27 2005, 8:50 PM)
lol are you kidding me? that was my race he was talking about , im not trying to speak for anyone since IM offended. now you know how stupid your statement sounded to me.

basically saying he would date any other race except for blacks kinda erked me a bit. thats the only reason people had a problem with it.
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Then so be it. It's not his fault if he doesn't feel comfortable dating a black, so there's no reason to try to convince him otherwise or accuse him of being racist.
 
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thats not the only thing that made his comments seem biggoted by the way. the black girl thing didnt spark that issue, it only made it burn brighter.

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and thats being biggoted right there wink.gif

and you said "its not his fault" really? then whos fault is it?
the blacks?
 
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post Oct 28 2005, 01:16 AM
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All the fun arguing I miss when I'm away to work.

No, I'm not racist. I'd tell you my best friend in High School was black, but that would be too clichι of an argument. I've stated before and I'll say it again. I don't see myself dating a black woman. It just doesn't appeal to me. I also don't eat broccoli... am I racist towards broccoli now?

A small scenario I cooked up in my 1:00 am madness:
Being human I hold certain things higher in value than others. I'm physically attracted to women/girls (I'm only 18 so I can date within both realms. One of many perks of this particular age.) with small-medium size breasts, nice legs, decent sized buttocks, full lips, pretty face, etc. I don't mind a little bit of weight. I also don't mind the medium-lighter tone skins, but that's not saying there isn't such a thing as too dark. (Please attack this comment. I mentioned something about skin color. </sarcasm>) Mentally and emotionally, she has to be fun, be funny, laugh a lot, be touchy-feely, etc. (All things which black girls are capable of doing, right?) If a white girl who was drop-dead gorgeous with blonde hair and blue eyes was standing next to her black look-alike --Only with darker hair, because blonde would be creepy-- I'm more apt to talk to the white girl first. What I don't know by looking at her is that she's a bitch and the black girl is a complete sweet-heart. Talking to the two further, I choose to be with the black girl because she is more of what I'm looking for. (As in less of what I'm not looking for. Having a great personality out-weighs being black. *gasp*) Basically, I'm not saying I absolutely, flat-out will not date a black girl. I'm saying that given the choice between the same personality but of different ethnic background, I'd choose the caucasian.

That being said, I certainly don't treat black people any differently than I do white, asian, or latino people. Example. I work at RadioShack. White guy walks in. "Hi, welcome to RadioShack. Anything I can help you with?" Black guy walks in. "Hi, welcome to RadioShack. Anything I can help you with?" And I say that with the same tone and same excitedness. I don't say to the black guy when he walks in, "Hi, please don't steal anything." THAT would be a racist stereotype, which I frown upon. Although, the majority of black comedians and musicians don't mind using the word "nigger" in their dialogue, yet still seem offended by it when it comes from someone else's mouth.

To conclude, I'm not racist because I have differing tastes than your own, I'm different. The joys of the world, I'm afraid.

P.S. I'm still proud of my name, Evan, and haven't resorted to slander... yet.
 
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it reminds me of that movie, american history x
if you know that movie, than nuff said
 
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QUOTE(racoons > you @ Oct 28 2005, 6:47 AM)
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I don't like "evan bunnell", if you should come to belgium, i'll kick your butt. Anyways, you're not a racist, i was just pissed off. All i'm saying is that what you said about you not dating black women WASN'T necessary.
 
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QUOTE(Weird addiction @ Oct 28 2005, 11:47 AM)
I don't like "evan bunnell", if you should come to belgium, i'll kick your butt. Anyways, you're not a racist, i was just pissed off. All i'm saying is that what you said about you not dating black women WASN'T necessary.
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Quit being so ignorant. You're no more tolerant than those girls. Face it, there are things about people that you just don't find attractive, I can't help it if I don't find black women that attractive. There are white men that think that black girls are the only attractive girls.

Whether or not it was necessary is irrelevant. It was on topic and pertained to the post and quote that I had selected, so it was more necessary than not.

So shut up, and quit bringing this back up. A verbal warning has been issued already, I don't think they'll care too much about hitting the ban button.
 
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Hmm, talk about member bashing. Remember the stupid topic you made in the feedback subforum?...i think you do.

Besides, whatever. I'm not that proud of my white roots, so yeah.
 
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QUOTE(Weird addiction @ Oct 28 2005, 12:09 PM)
Hmm, talk about member bashing. Remember the stupid topic you made in the feedback subforum?...i think you do.

Besides, whatever. I'm not that proud of my white roots, so yeah.
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I love it too!!! You should do what it says.

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Both of you stop before you get warned. This is your verbal warning. Thanks.
 
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You know what, either there is e-arguing going in here or spam. Julia has already given the verbal warning but anyone wants to continue on with it, go right ahead, but dont get mad when your warning level is raised. _smile.gif

I would close this but I dont want to ruin it for others who actually have something to say on this topic......
 
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http://mfile.akamai.com/16688/wmv/abcondem...l_hatemusic.wmv

i was watching this and it made me sick hearing some of this stuff coming out from these kids.
 
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