Young Singers Spread Racist Hate, what is the world coming to? <_< |
Young Singers Spread Racist Hate, what is the world coming to? <_< |
Oct 26 2005, 01:32 AM
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![]() dakishimetainoni... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 4,322 Joined: Dec 2004 Member No: 75,318 |
please try to at least skim through this lenghty article.
source=ABC News QUOTE Oct. 20, 2005 — Thirteen-year-old twins Lamb and Lynx Gaede have one album out, another on the way, a music video, and lots of fans.
They may remind you another famous pair of singers, the Olsen Twins, and the girls say they like that. But unlike the Olsens, who built a media empire on their fun-loving, squeaky-clean image, Lamb and Lynx are cultivating a much darker personna. They are white nationalists and use their talents to preach a message of hate. Known as "Prussian Blue" — a nod to their German heritage and bright blue eyes — the girls from Bakersfield, Calif., have been performing songs about white nationalism before all-white crowds since they were nine. "We're proud of being white, we want to keep being white," said Lynx. "We want our people to stay white … we don't want to just be, you know, a big muddle. We just want to preserve our race." Lynx and Lamb have been nurtured on racist beliefs since birth by their mother April. "They need to have the background to understand why certain things are happening," said April, a stay-at-home mom who no longer lives with the twins' father. "I'm going to give them, give them my opinion just like any, any parent would." April home-schools the girls, teaching them her own unique perspective on everything from current to historical events. In addition, April's father surrounds the family with symbols of his beliefs — specifically the Nazi swastika. It appears on his belt buckle, on the side of his pick-up truck and he's even registered it as his cattle brand with the Bureau of Livestock Identification. "Because it's provocative," explains April of the cattle brand, "to him he thinks it's important as a symbol of freedom of speech that he can use it as his cattle brand." Songs like "Sacrifice" — a tribute to Nazi Rudolf Hess, Hitler's deputy Fuhrer — clearly show the effect of the girls' upbringing. The lyrics praise Hess as a "man of peace who wouldn't give up." "It really breaks my heart to see those two girls spewing out that kind of garbage," said Ted Shaw, civil rights advocate and president of the NAACP's Legal Defense Fund — though Shaw points out that the girls aren't espousing their own opinions but ones they're being taught. On that point, April Gaede and Ted Shaw apparently agree. "Well, all children pretty much espouse their parents' attitudes," she said. "We're white nationalists and of course that's a part of our life and I'm going to share that part of my life with my children." Since they began singing, the girls have become such a force in the white nationalist movement, that David Duke — the former presidential candidate, one-time Ku-Klux-Klan grand wizard and outspoken white supremacist — uses the twins to draw a crowd. Prussian Blue supporter Erich Gliebe, operator of one of the nation's most notorious hate music labels, Resistance Records, hopes younger performers like Lynx and Lamb will help expand the base of the White Nationalist cause. "Eleven and 12 years old," he said, "I think that's the perfect age to start grooming kids and instill in them a strong racial identity." Gliebe, who targets young, mainstream white rockers at music festivals like this past summer's "Ozzfest," says he uses music to get his message out. But with names like Blue-Eyed Devils and Angry Aryans, these tunes are far more extreme than the ones sung by Lamb and Lynx. "We give them a CD, we give them something as simple as a stick, they can go to our Web site and see other music and download some of our music," said Gliebe. "To me, that's the best propaganda tool for our youth." Gliebe says he hopes that as younger racist listeners mature, so will their tastes for harder, angrier music like that of Shawn Sugg of Max Resist. One of Sugg's songs is a fantasy piece about a possible future racial war that goes: "Let the cities burn, let the streets run red, if you ain't white you'll be dead." "I'd like to compare it to gangsta rap," explained Sugg, "where they glorify, you know, shooting n****** and pimping whores." Sugg shrugs off criticism that music like his should not be handed out to schoolyard children, arguing that "it's just music, it's not like you're handing out AK-47s." Perhaps not, but Shaw says it's the ideas in the music that are dangerous. "When you talk about people being dead if they're not white," said Shaw, "I don't think there is much question that that is hateful." Despite the success of Prussian Blue and bands like Max Resist within the White Nationalism movement, most Americans don't accept their racist message. Like many children across the country, Lamb and Lynx decided to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina — the white ones. The girls' donations were handed out by a White Nationalist organization who also left a pamphlet promoting their group and beliefs — some of the intended recipients were more than a little displeased. After a day of trying, the supplies ended up with few takers, dumped at a local shop that sells Confederate memorabilia. Last month, the girls were scheduled to perform at the local county fair in their hometown. But when some people in the community protested, Prussian Blue was removed from the line-up. But even before that, April had decided that Bakersfield was not "white" enough, so she sold her home, and hopes that she and the girls can find an all-white community in the Pacific Northwest. |
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Oct 27 2005, 02:01 PM
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^
Wtf. O_O Left handed people? that's ridiculous. |
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Oct 27 2005, 02:34 PM
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![]() Physical Challenge ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 181 Joined: Oct 2005 Member No: 264,490 |
You're confusing racism and preference. I don't have a problem with minorities or anyone who isn't white, I won't treat them any differently. I'm just saying I would date those of my same race more likely than I would those of others. And yes, not dating left handed people is a ridiculous example, but it's the same thing. There's nothing wrong with that person and you wouldn't treat them any differently, you're just not looking for a left-handed companion in your life.
Now quick looking for things to tear me apart with just because you don't like me. |
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Oct 27 2005, 02:39 PM
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Well, I think they overreacted in response to that comment too, actualy, but yeah.
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Oct 27 2005, 02:41 PM
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have i mentioned i really dont like evanbunnel? i havent actually seen him post anything pleasant
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Oct 27 2005, 02:45 PM
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![]() Physical Challenge ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 181 Joined: Oct 2005 Member No: 264,490 |
I really don't care if you like me. What I do care about is why you don't like me. What have I posted that's pleasant/impleasant?
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Oct 27 2005, 02:47 PM
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well, mainly im talking about the way you acted like a five yearold in that topic you created in fedback.
this just sort of reminded me that you exist. |
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Oct 27 2005, 02:48 PM
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QUOTE(xcaitlinx @ Oct 26 2005, 6:07 PM) haha i find it pathetic yet funny that people are STILL racist. it's the freakin 20th century, please stop acting like it's the 1950s. i always knew that unintelligent people like this still existed, but it makes me chuckle to hear stories about them. it's the 21st century mind you... owell racist people. they can't just learn how to appreciate other cultures. I think a lot of other cultures are admirable although **not a racist comment** the truth is, some people are becoming prejudiced just because a person on tv gives a bad example and now everyone thinks that the person of the same culture does that. I won't say "I wish those girls would die because of their f***ing stupidity" but I will say that I hope they learn how to get off a "one-sided" point of view and learn how to love diversity btw evanbunnell ignore racoons>you... He doesn't seem to be a person who enjoy a little bit of youthful immaturity |
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Oct 27 2005, 02:50 PM
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I posted a petition for people to sign, not come in and call me "n00b" because they disagreed. It pissed me off that everyone came in and said, "No, it's not happening and we don't care to listen because you're new and don't have any say... blah blah blah, we're better than you." I tried to handle it calmly in the beginning, but when all you get is harsh negativity, then what are you supposed to do?
What was "5 year old" was the "This is OUR community, stfu noob." attitude of all the people who replied. |
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Oct 27 2005, 02:53 PM
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James, as glad as I am that it's not me you're arguing with, don't provoke things.
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Oct 27 2005, 02:54 PM
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realize that it was a ridiculous idea?
plus, early on in the thread you were provided with a link that should have dealt with all your queries furthermore, you offended me and others righ toff the bat with the title alone, let alone the content |
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Oct 27 2005, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE(evanbunnell @ Oct 27 2005, 2:50 PM) I posted a petition for people to sign, not come in and call me "n00b" because they disagreed. It pissed me off that everyone came in and said, "No, it's not happening and we don't care to listen because you're new and don't have any say... blah blah blah, we're better than you." I tried to handle it calmly in the beginning, but when all you get is harsh negativity, then what are you supposed to do? yeah when i was a noob everyone was mean... now people that say that are hypocrites especially if they say they hate racism and prejudice. cuz in a way, they're judging you by your status some people shouldn't take things THAT seriously and i agree about what you said about that dating a person of the same race or something. well i actually like hungarian/greek boys or sometimes caucasian but it's not that i hate black or asians (besides, i'm asian), it's just i don't find myself physically attracted to them...don't get me wrong i'm not racist, i am actually best friends with a lot of black people. |
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Oct 27 2005, 03:00 PM
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i think its dumb.
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Oct 27 2005, 03:01 PM
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![]() Physical Challenge ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 181 Joined: Oct 2005 Member No: 264,490 |
No, I still don't think it's a ridiculous idea, but as "open-minded" as everyone is, there was little to no discussion, merely argument.
I'd looked at that link before, said that in the thread, nobody cared, invalid comment. Well, I'm sorry that you were offended by the title of the thread. It was not meant to be offensive, merely to declare my views in a humorous fashion. Realize that humor will offend some people while others find it funny. I certainly hope you're "open-minded" and "mature" enough to fathom such a thing. Now... can we drop this charade and get back to the topic at hand? EDIT: Hahaha, o0olaalaa. I agree. V EDIT2: How open-minded of you! At least hate me for a good reason, not because I have differing tastes than you. |
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Oct 27 2005, 03:03 PM
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well, yes. some wil find it funny. that much is obvious. however, i find it offensive. which is why I dislike you. which was your question.
*shrugs* |
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Oct 27 2005, 03:03 PM
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Oh shut up, all of you
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Oct 27 2005, 03:06 PM
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basically, i want racoons>you to shut up... he's been mean to everyone and even me when I was a newbie...
you know what i find sad? that a record studio actually agreed to help the twins get a music career |
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Oct 27 2005, 03:08 PM
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I had wanted to see this report on TV, but I missed it. It's disgusting in my opinion. But hell, nobody would care if they happened to be murdered... or at least, I won't 9_9 White supremacy- or racism in general should be left behind with the 20th century, and we should move on to the 21st!
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Oct 27 2005, 03:09 PM
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I've told you to stop and drop it already. This is your verbal warning.
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Oct 27 2005, 03:10 PM
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presumably, it was a white supremesist label.
and im not mean to everyone. i think you'll find you were the one who type-screamed obscenities at me in the boys' locker room. seriously. you came close to toppling my emotional wall *sniffle* |
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Oct 27 2005, 03:12 PM
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I don't think you're mean to everyone o.O
Also do you know WHICH label it was? |
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Oct 27 2005, 03:27 PM
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![]() Don't worry guys, size doesn't matter...to lesbians ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 2,444 Joined: Jan 2005 Member No: 85,066 |
I was only mean to you (racoons) because you said something that really hurt my feelings, but I'll drop it and say you're a really nice person for I had a verbal warning...
those girls should mature into an understanding term |
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Oct 27 2005, 04:49 PM
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![]() insanitys contagious. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Official Member Posts: 4,210 Joined: Feb 2005 Member No: 99,707 |
WTF , cant the goverment or someone shut them down. Last thing we need are little kids basically shouting out white power , ugh , this is disgusting.
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Oct 27 2005, 05:29 PM
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Sigh. Racists. I doubt ignorance will ever die.
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Oct 27 2005, 05:36 PM
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![]() Don't worry guys, size doesn't matter...to lesbians ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 2,444 Joined: Jan 2005 Member No: 85,066 |
Unfortunately, ignorance is a human feature we all have, from racism to pessimism, we have it...unfortunately...
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Oct 27 2005, 06:14 PM
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![]() Bay Area YadadaDiiiig. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Official Member Posts: 4,249 Joined: Feb 2005 Member No: 103,202 |
Wow. I dont even know what to say to that article.
Kinda speechless ... I feel sorry for those girls though. Their mom has done exactly what she could have by law, and taught her girls ignorance towards the splendors of multi-cultural things |
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