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^Did I say "wait?" anywhere in my post. What i was saying was that we came to that "worst case scenario" where the admins weren't active, and CB didn't "fall apart". Why i even brought that up in the first place was to underline the point that we don't need a law about every single thing. Does that make sense? Yah i agree admins should be active...duh. i think we ALL agree on that. And now we are getting intouch with the admins about this subject, so something IS being done. ok, but what i'm saying is there is no need to break down every little thing and make rules about it.
I'm sorry you had an inconvience when those 2 major spamathons broke loose, but ur job as a mod is to deal with this stuff right? If you guys are feeling so strongly about all of this then why don't you add more admins. (not 8 you crazies, like another admin or 2)
And yah i think both our points is that admins should be active, i was just telling ya'll to chill about the admins and not do the sky is falling routine.
ok, so now we've brought this up backstage to the admins attention, ok.
but man, there shouldn't have to be such laws on every single thing. I mean everything about this site doesn't need to be changed. Relax, u know.

Then what's the point of saying "You say that the admins were all inactive in the past, and cb didn't fall apart and all hell didn't break loose"? I said "wait" as admins stepping in after damage is done. Did you not understand the context of the question?


Again, this isn't about cB falling apart, it's about working as a team and being there when another team member needs you, it's about knowing who is going to be brought onto the team. No, I wasn't inconvenienced or put out, I felt helpless and frustrated because I was helpless. Two different things. I knew my job well and others have said I was a good staff person so I understand that I have to "deal with this stuff". Please don't demean me like that. I dealt with it as best as I could and so did the other staff, but being able to "deal with it" does not mean I cannot have an opinion. My point is that we don't even need so many admins, we could have active head staff to temporarily take admin roles while admins are away. That's all. No one is saying the admins aren't doing their jobs because that is NOT the case. They're doing wonderfully.

^Obviously everyone doesn't think the admins are doing "wonderfully", because if that were the case everyone wouldn't be all, " the admins aren't active enough", "were they around for the voting?", "do they know we have bylaws? blah blah"
Again, again, again....i'm NOT talking about cb falling apart either, i just used that to talk about a point i was making in another post. I know it's about working as a team, trust me i do. I think you are reading into it wrong. Oh, and don't get offended by anything i said, i wasn't "demeaning" you like that. I'm sure you dealt with it the best you could, and of course i know you have ur own opinion. i'm not saying anything against that. Do you think it would work lending powers to head staff? you don't think it would get messy?
All my point was that people need to take a deep breath and relax about these laws. I think we are just talking about two different things

I dont think giving temp admin powers to head staff would be so messy. I mean there already qualfied for their postion and who handle the powers given to them responsibly. Afterall, head staff is next in line to being an admin so it would kind of be a way of testing how they would handle themselves as an admin. One of the reasons Jusun increased the head staff positions from to 2 to 4 was for competiton between the head staff for an admin spot. One thing he pointed out was that just because you're a head staff member doesnt automatically mean you become an admin. Of course I think one of the best ways to deal with this issue is to increase the admins we have but you always need a back up plan just in case. The thing I am cofused about is how would head staff be given their temp powers, this may have be discussed earlier.

maybe the back-up admin would be better than adding more admin. because if we add more admin we need to add more headstaff o.o.

well, i really like the idea of having headstaff take over as admin when the reg admin go away for a while. its not like it would be happenign all the time either

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but it seems like they are constantly away. now, lets not get mad because of what i just stated, im just stating a fact. this bickering is getting old. what if an admin takes an unexpected leave? would the head staff take over for them after a week? 2 weeks? you have to think about that as well if they are just going to "fill in" for the time being.

1) Um, attendence is a given; that's all we've been discussing all along. I do think they're doing wonderfully because I noticed Admin related jobs are kept up, but I also already addressed the problem of inactivity since my very first post in this thread.

2) I understand your original point because I quoted you and responded. Your point was that cB doesn't fall apart when Admins aren't here, my refuter is that cB needs Admins regardless if our community is falling apart or not.

3) How was I supposed to "read into it" when you have to tell me that my job was to "deal with [the spam fests]" as a moderator? a) It's the same as telling me not to complain because it's my job to "deal" and b) you have to tell me what my job was even though I was a mod at one time? Sorry for being defensive, but that's exactly how I "read into it".

4) No, I don't think it would be messy. I think it's a generally safe idea and that's why I'm supporting it. However, I am, too, confused how to go about giving temp powers. That's going into technical details and a lot us don't have a clue. I think it would work in that whether temporary or actual, we'd see admins more.

5) Relax about these laws? As in these laws are no big deal? As in, it's a waste of time to think too much into these laws? So, what's the point of this forum again? I know a lot of people think everything is fine the way they are, but it doesn't hurt to discuss it in full detail. That's why this forum is here. If it's not a big deal, then... we're all wasting our time folks.

This post has been edited by Spirited Away: Oct 17 2005, 03:05 PM

no, head staff can't just take the powers of an admin. the admin would have to GIVE it to the headstaff when they know they are going to be away from cb for more than 2 weeks. admin don't need to be taking unexpected absences that last more than 2 weeks at all...which is why there should be a rule. they have the most responsibility over the forum so i see no reason to be lenient about that in the future and to make a 2 week rule for activeness-thats not a hard thing to do at all.

even with a rule like that an admin might not be online when a spam parade happens, it would be more likely they would be online. however, next time we decide to choose more mods, admin will deffinately be there and have a say in the selection; as well as whenever new changes and suggestions are awaiting their input

What a crappy day. I'm going outside and am just gonna run out this day, ok, but first here...l

let's start with 5

5) No, i'm not saying the laws aren't a big deal. If i thought they weren't a big deal or unnecessary then wouldn't be here posting about them would I. Nor is it a "waste of time" to be thinking of them. You are putting words in my mouth. What i'm saying with relax is that there doesn't have to be laws on every little thing in createblog...ah.

4)that's what i'm saying. Technically, wouldn't it be messy? i'm sure the head staff could do the job...but how would that work? No clue how it could be done, although it probably could.

3)oh god, ok. i'm not in the mood or mindset to even answer that. When you are given a responisibilty or a job to perform, usually things go wrong. people spam, things happen...it's part of the job. Taking that job basically says you are aware that things can go wrong and you are capable of handling a situation.

2)i agree with ur refuter.

1)ok. case closed.

Cool. Goodbye. I'm going to the dance studio or i'm running.

3) ...okay, now we're getting somewhere. Indeed moderators are capable of handling most situations. The situations I referred to required admin assistance. Thus... the feeling of helplessness. Yea? What part of that don't you understand from me?

4) You weren't specifying technical matters, I only meant to say I was as confounded as Kiera who actually implied technical details. How would you or anyone aside from admins, Jusun, and/or those who have administrated other forums know if it would be messy? It could be just a simple transfer of power by adding the head staff to the admin group, but we don't know that.

5) I'm not putting words in your mouth, I am only implying things from what you're writing. For the last few posts, you've said for us to "relax". From what I understand, you haven't specify which part you want us to relax on until now. There needn't be law on every little thing, but what we're discussing isn't a "little" thing, as you know. Therefore, I assumed you said "relax" because the matter at hand isn't important to you. It isn't a relaxing matter, so I don't understand why you kept on telling everyone to relax on it. Now that I know you mean to say cB don't need laws on everything, I agree, but cB do need active admins and laws may be able to help with that.

Just wanted to mention..

Not only is the activity of the Admins and Heads a problem, but .. Jusun needs to be here more too. He is the big man of this here CB family, and he makes all the decisions. Everything we do is left up to him. However, I've only seen him do behind-the-scenes stuff, which is great that he is here for that seeing as we didn't have him at all before, but for stuff like hiring and promoting, he needs to be here more so he can know the people he's putting up higher in the chain.

half of our heads are having comp problems >_> toby says shes been around but not posting really and mona has been active as always.

3)i understand
4)yah i dont know if it would work or not, i was asking if it would be messy. it could be just a simple transfer. That would be great if it was. For once, something in life being simple. I'm all for it if that's the case.
5)ok next time i will be more elaborate. yes i agree with active admins, and active everything ok.
cool, case closed. i'm going to run into a wall and go to bed. night all

Like what Heather said..Heads can't just take up the powers of Admins. And..the absences that the Admins have had have (mostly) been unplanned. Even a week of complete absence can be a detrement to the community. I don't think that would work out.

it seems that roxy has become more active, but christina...thats a different story. i dont know if she planned it this time, but shes been gone for 3-4 days. hopefully she comes back soon.

I think we need less that 8 admins and more than 2. If you're an admin, you should be more active than any other mod!

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bit late.

but yeah, we dont need 8 but 1-2 more wont hurt. we discussed this earlier with sammi moving up to head staff and toby or mona going to admin, but thats not our decision.

i agree. just_dream hasn't been on very much. she has still has to make regular members into official members. and still some official designers too.


most admins need to be on more.
and it's funny because more official members/people staff/other mods are more active then admins. and.. the one's that didn't get the job are like online more often then the admins...

^ Exactly. I think Eve should be promoted to administator. Is there going to be a vote?

I actually think Mona should be promoted to admin.

Eve hasn't been too active lately, and Mona is more active in general. She's always been active, never fail. So atleast we'd know we'd have an active admin..not promoting another inactive admin.

Though I doubt...anything we say in here will have any overall influence. Micron/Higher Power as the ultimate say.

Ahahah. Do you think just because you're making the by laws that you can decide on admins?

This is still in the hands of Jusun and the other admins.

[Ps, I am guessing that this is Incoherent/Spencer because you seem to be the one posting as guest in most of these discussions.]


edit, you just added another post, but still. How do you know that Eve hasn't been active lately? Think about back stage bud.

^ You mean Jusun?....not Justin?

^Why yes I do. Whee for typos.

no some of the posts come from me, but anyways -- Eve has done a lot, she's submited good layouts for the xanga community, and she needs to accend, not always stay as head staff, she deserves it.