Alright, so I really hate to bring them into this, but I was talking to Justin about it and he seemed to agree. Yeah, they have lives, but it seems like they go for weeks at a time without coming here. It's been almost a week for both of them. What if something important comes up? Justin made a point about having 8 admins. Yeah, it seems outrageous, but what if only 3 were active. Here's how he states it.



your opinions?

weeks is usually planned, and so they should appoint a sub...

i think subs should be appointed before an admin has to go away. if they don't, and are gone for two weeks (14 days), then a sub is appointed form them by _________.


something like that?

Haha. Does that describe krnxswat? <--resource





I was thinking of that too! I think they should be appointed by their owner because the owner should know better when to lend their powers. I mean, they can log onto cB for a couple of seconds, lend them the power, and then sign off.

I’m assuming it’s not very hard to do it.

If they don’t do it or forgot about it, at least there's someone who’s active. (It depends on the amount of administrations.)



Yep.

edit.

Not always..

and uh........krnxswat was removed from his position, was he not?

people have different opinions on what 'reasonably active' is... bylaws should be specific to avoid confusion and/or room for discussion

i think that would be even more tedious
its not like theres a magic "sub" button you can click to give admin powers to a sub for a certain period of time

besides not everyone can be a admin just because they're active...
a admins job isn't being super active in the forums, they need to do backend stuff among other things

We have not mentioned a need for admins to be "super active", we are just interested in admins being relatively active. When it comes to hiring new staff, admins must know how deserving each applicant is for the position since they have the last word on appointing new staff. To be able to know such things, they have to be relatively active to take notice.

well..an admin can give powers to the sub, its not that hard to do-if that were to happen. if an admin does go away for weeks at a time a sub would be completely appropriate (but only with the number of admin we have now...if we had 4 or more i dont think it would be necessary)

ok...if an admin is not active for two whole weeks without a leave of absence

Are you guys forgetting about my post?

I was a mod in another invision free forum.
i think it's possible to lend someone the power.

We're not discussing whether or not it's possible by technical standards, we're discussing if it's possible in a sensible way.

Do you guys really think it is necessary/good idea to be "lending" administrative powers to people. I mean, if the administrator is away for 3 weeks or something, then there are still the other administrator(s) there to help out. I don't think there is a need to "lend". I can understand by-laws for choosing staff members, but i think this whole administrative thing is kinda pushing it.
About being active, yes they need to be active; but remember they have lives outside of CB. i don't think there needs to be a number or a limit about how much time they spend, they are responsible enough to be promoted to that position, so i think they can manage their time wisely.

Well, lending admin powers to "people" don't sound quite as right as lending powers to a head staff who is active while the admin is away.

Not that I doesn't understand the whole "lives outside of cB" thing because it has been drilled in enough, but the point is that they need to be active to know who they're choosing to be on staff. If that's not an important factor, then I don't really have a side on this topic.

Still, i don't like the whole "lending" powers to even head staff. That def could get messy. And are all the administrators going to be away at the same time?

Yah the administrators do need to be active. i mean there is no arguement with that. But what i'm saying is, is that there is no need to make a law about it. You know?

Wouldn't be the first time. Meaning yes, it happened before.



So... if admins 'need' to be active and lets say that they're not and there's no law that requires them to be active? What is the point of 'needing' to be active when there's nothing to fault your inactivity?

^There doesn't have to be a "law". The administrators already know the guidelines of being active, and they obviously have the responisibility to do this. God forbid they are inactive, does that mean they will be kicked off because they were inactive for a while? What if there is a reason that they are inactive, are you giong to make laws on what is reasonable and not? because you might as well if we're try to bind everything with laws. I'm all for guidence and laws, but there comes a point where it is too much. If an admin is inactive for that long backstage i'm sure that something would be worked out. You say that the admins were all inactive in the past, and cb didn't fall apart and all hell didn't break loose.

at this current point at time...looking at the activeness of the admins, yes.
every one needs a bit of strictness. like i said..if they are going to be the administrators on a forum then they can be active at least once in a twoo weeks passing period from the last time they were on

Ok, I hate to bring this all into it, but you really don't think Christina and Roxy could have at least stopped by at least once for the modding process?

That's the point. If these people are the head honchos and make the decisions, then they need to be active enough to know what's going on and they have to be familiar with the members. I'm sorry, but I don't think just not being on for weeks at a time with no real explanation than "I have a life and I'm busy" is suitable. I understand having a life, but it is not hard to stop by once in a while.

do we define active to be posting in the actual community forums, or just backstage?

because like sammi said with the process of hiring, the shouldnt be the deciding factor if they dont actually interact with the members themselves. i mean, yes you can read the posts without posting yourself, but it would b enic eif the admins actually got to know them directly.

they should be active in any of the forums, but not JUST backstage when they are trying to be "active"

^

that's what i meant

thank you.

you make good summaries.

Ok, are talking about our current admins? If we are, then why dont we as mods bring this problem to them now. I'm mean its like we have ever told them we had a problem with their lack of activeness around the community. And I agree that admins need to be active in around and about the community, not just backstage. They should as be familiar with members as well and take part on such important things as hiring. I mean after all, that is what they have been entrusted to do.

well, i was talking about any admin in general, but yeah, it does apply to the current ones

actually, christina posted in the lounge recently, bu tbefore that i hadnt seen her or roxy for aaaaaaaaaaages.

do they even know we have new staff?

I know, I was online yesterday when Roxy was on. I mean do they know about this thread. What do they have to say about it? I'm pretty sure they know they aren't active enough.

well it wouldnt hurt for us all to discuss with them about it cause im sort of wondering why they were absent for so long

yah i've seen Christina posting around backstage, and Roxy has posted in Pictures from her birthday and stuff.
But i agree with Keira, it might be better if we just bring this up with them

Okay, you'd really going to wait for Hell to break loose before getting help from someone? Seriously, I was around for two major spam fests and it wasn't fun when mods didn't have any powers over it and we had to wait for an admin to do what was needed to be done. cB didn't fall apart, but moderators were definitely NOT okay with hanging around and feeling helpless. I know it is unfair of me to say that you have to experience it to know since you've just been hired, but I did experience it and I was rightly frustrated. I wasn't the only one who felt that way either and all you need to do is look through backstage to find out.

And please don't tell me that cB don't fall apart when admins aren't here. That's not the point, obviously. The point, since the begining of this thread is that admins should be active so they'd make the right choices in hiring and to help when help is needed not wait til cB falls apart to help. That's all.

Roxanne and Christina are great when they're here. When they're not though, I feel that someone else should have the power to lend a helping hands to mods.