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Creating Your Child, how far is too far?
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post Oct 1 2005, 09:57 PM
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This topic reminds me of anime character. I didn’t know colorful people from anime shows can bring to life. Anything is always possible. ohmy.gif

If i ever have a child, i want the hair color to be gray-white-silver.
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Anyways, I’m pretty neutral about it but I think parent should keep their children natural. It might affect their future generation family hair color. What if you cannot change the color of an unnatural colored hair? In the future, there are two parents with their own unnatural hair color from birth that forms an ugly color mixture of their kids... or/and changing their color won’t work on unnatural hair color.






There will always be negative effects.
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nevermind. i'm confused. i dunno if it's change or create.
 
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post Oct 1 2005, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE(Kristinaa @ Oct 1 2005, 7:46 PM)
I agree..

Naturality is different..

I wear makeup...and that's not natural..so, in your words, it's considered immoral...?
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But you CHOOSE to wear makeup to change the way you look. The baby in question does not have the choice to choose whether or not they should be changed. The parents are deciding for them.
 
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post Oct 1 2005, 10:04 PM
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^
and .. a permanent changes.
Makeup is totally different. blink.gif
 
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post Oct 1 2005, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE(yummy_delight @ Oct 1 2005, 8:00 PM)

But you CHOOSE to wear makeup to change the way you look. The baby in question does not have the choice to choose whether or not they should be changed. The parents are deciding for them.

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Umm.... the child is not being CHANGED... it's being CREATED a certain way.
 
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post Oct 1 2005, 10:06 PM
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^geeek

no need for choosing me and elba can make the perfect baby for you to adopt... laugh.gif
 
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post Oct 1 2005, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE(yummy_delight @ Oct 1 2005, 8:00 PM)

But you CHOOSE to wear makeup to change the way you look. The baby in question does not have the choice to choose whether or not they should be changed. The parents are deciding for them.

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But would do you honestly think people would want to have Down Syndrome or Autism?
 
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post Oct 1 2005, 10:08 PM
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In your dreams, GEEEEEEEK...

Stay on topic.

And I'd rather make babies with my boyfriend.
 
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post Oct 1 2005, 10:10 PM
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And I'd rather make babies with my boyfriend. blink.gif

ours would look better though laugh.gif

and i feel that the race of the baby should be determined by the natural genetics of the father and mother....--
 
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post Oct 1 2005, 10:10 PM
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^ no one said anything about race...

QUOTE(AngelicEyz00 @ Oct 1 2005, 10:08 PM)
In your dreams, GEEEEEEEK...

Stay on topic.

And I'd rather make babies with my boyfriend.
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ha ha ha ha

...A baby couldn't possibly make THE CHOICE though. They can't choose how they want to be. What color eyes they want. Whether they want one nose or the other. Whether they want to be a brilliant mathmatician or a musician.
 
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post Oct 3 2005, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE(AngelicEyz00 @ Oct 1 2005, 11:05 PM)
Umm.... the child is not being CHANGED... it's being CREATED a certain way.
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It's manipulation. That is not synonomyous with creation.
 
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post Oct 3 2005, 09:47 PM
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I want a kid named coco and a boy named stanley and froggie
 
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post Oct 3 2005, 09:48 PM
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GAH DOUBLE POST :(
 
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post Oct 3 2005, 09:57 PM
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i kind of scares me to think people will choose there kids genders soon theyll all be blonde haried blue eyed abercrombie models. i think people should just be the way their supposed to. what if it messes up? theyd be...weird
 
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post Oct 4 2005, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE(illumineering @ Oct 3 2005, 7:46 PM)
It's manipulation.  That is not synonomyous with creation.
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Ah yes, but the manipulation occurs BEFORE the creation rolleyes.gif
 
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post Oct 4 2005, 10:54 PM
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I don't see what's wrong with it. It's not like they're making teh choice after the child was concieved. It strengthens the human species without hurting anyone.
 
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post Oct 5 2005, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(Spiritual Winged Aura @ Oct 1 2005, 9:57 PM)
This topic reminds me of anime character. I didn’t know colorful people from anime shows can bring to life. Anything is always possible.  ohmy.gif

If i ever have a child, i want the hair color to be gray-white-silver.
throb.gif
haha  whistling.gif
Anyways, I’m pretty neutral about it but I think parent should keep their children natural. It might affect their future generation family hair color. What if you cannot change the color of an unnatural colored hair?  In the future, there are two parents with their own unnatural hair color from birth that forms an ugly color mixture of their kids... or/and changing their color won’t work on unnatural hair color.
There will always be negative effects.
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nevermind. i'm confused. i dunno if it's change or create.
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They work with alleles already present, so I don't think you can make it an unnatural hair color. It's not making something up. It's changing what's already there.
 
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post Oct 6 2005, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE(disco infiltrator @ Oct 5 2005, 9:34 PM)
They work with alleles already present, so I don't think you can make it an unnatural hair color. It's not making something up. It's changing what's already there.
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Albino allele...might not be exact, but it could work...

[offtopic] when'd you change your username?!??!
 
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post Oct 6 2005, 07:16 PM
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But they work with alleles already present. You can't just go *poof* and there's an albino allele. Plus, inserting a not-already-present allele would do damage to the structure of the DNA since there would be extra (like in the case of Down syndrome, which occurs when the person ends up with an extra 21st chromosome).

And umm...when everyone else did. _smile.gif

To add some humor to the thread!

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Sammi: ooohhh what is it called.....when you have 3 21st chromosomes..d something..
Michael: Down syndrome?
Sammi: there ya go!
Michael: That was out of nowhere. :-P
Sammi: check my post in creating your children.
Sammi: durrr.
Sammi: i sound all smart, it's awesome.
Michael: Sammi, did you just say you wanted to create my children?
Michael: That's so sweet.
Sammi: lol
 
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post Oct 6 2005, 10:10 PM
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Hm, this is interesting.
IMO - I think that the sex of a boy or a girl should just come natural, not scientifically adjusted into a guy or a girl.
 
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post Oct 7 2005, 07:14 AM
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^ Any reasons why?
 
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post Oct 7 2005, 09:11 PM
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^^^ As far as I know, albino is a recessive mutated allele, so it's possible, you just have to replace both alleles instead of one....

but um, back on topic....

People get amniotic screenings to see if their children will have genetic disabilities or mutations. If they could catch these problems and fix them, why wouldn't they? Then, if that were considered 'moral', then why wouldn't you correct/change anything else you consider undesirable?
 
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post Oct 7 2005, 10:44 PM
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But if the allele is not present to work with, they can't use it. One of the parents would have to have that allele.

The way they do this is screening the sperm for a Y-chromosome, which is already present.

Once they can actually fix those genetic mutations, I'm sure they will. However, it's not possible yet.
 
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post Oct 11 2005, 11:23 AM
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I don't think that it is wrong or immoral to choose the sex of your child or to change your child in any way....let's face it, if given a choice between having a child with a disability and having a child without one, some potential parents choose not to have the child. That is considered a medically necessary abortion. Most often, the fetus in question has a rare, incurable, or untreatable disease or condition that poses a threat to its life or its mother's life. Now, some say that abortion, even these cases, is wrong. Others say it's not. Where to draw the line? Some parents could go through and choose NOT to have a child with a disease, say Down's syndrome, because they know that they cannot take care of it or are unwilling to try (selfish, yes. wrong, maybe. immoral, not in my opinion.)

When it comes to genetically modifying our future children, let's see for a moment what genetic modification could lead us to....if you knew that you had a 50/50 chance of producing a child with a rare disease that would effect the rest of their life in a negative way, would you a) choose to have the child on the basis of "every life is worth living", b) have the child, but have to spend the rest of your life caring for your child, and going into tremendous debt to care for it or even having to instutionalize your child, c) test and abort any fetuses that you or your partner are carrying that test positive for such disease, d) go to a genetic specialist and eliminate the genes carrying the disease from the embryo before it is even put into and fertilized inside you or your partner's womb, or e) adopt a child.

If you choose a, then you are taking a moral high road. Most likely, a will turn into b many years down the road when your child requires expensive round-the-clock care and medications and highly trained specialists to live. Plus the costs that you pay for everyday things like clothes, food, cars....c will leave you feeling dirty, can damage the party's body who has the abortions, can eliminate the chance of them being able to carry a child, and can turn into an expensive gamble without the pay-off (healthy child). D will also set you back financially, but will most likely result in the birth of a healthy child. E is a surefire way to insure that you get the child you want, right down to the color of the eyes and the sex...sure, it won't be biologically yours, but it will be a child and it will be a win-win situation. You get what you want (a healthy child who has the features you desire.) The child gets parents and a home. Adoption is safe, healthy, and moral.

I am not here to advocate the genetic pioneering of the human race. I am just presenting a view point that many people are shutting out before it even gets a toe in the door. Earlier, people were speaking of a child thinking that it is imperfect because its parents chose for it to be a girl when it was supposed to be a boy and they changed that through genetic modification...Well, obviously, the parents need to consider the ramifications of modifying their child....they need to sit through counseling before making the choice and agree on a course of action after having the child (if, how and when should they tell the child). Also, they need to check out other options, like adoption, fostering, or using donors (sprem, egg or surrogate mothers) before deciding that a gentically modified child is the road the want to travel down.

Let's not throw genetic modification out the window yet...for the human race to progress, all options need to be considered and researched...people need to see that just because humanity is fine now, doesn't mean it will be if an epidemic illness wipes out half the population. There are many ways in which genetic modification could take place. People don't think about it, but aren't vaccinations modifying your genetics to some degree? If not genetic modifications, then aren't vaccinations at least "unnatural" (biological modifications) because they are supposed to make you immune to diseases that you're not supposed to resist? Americans eat genetically modified food all of the time (unless you closely monitor what you eat and don't consume anything that's not organic.) Now, what makes it ok to make a chicken bigger than "nature intended" but not to change the sex of a child before it is even really "alive"?? There are so many blurry lines here.

That's why there needs to more research and less narrow-mindedness towards exploring and experimenting on humans. More knowledge and trial-and-error will clear up those blurry lines and help us to discover our limitations. Simply shutting the flow of knowledge off will only make us stagnate.

As for the whole allele debate, yes, it would have to be present. However, I'm sure that if genetic modification were to become common, research would be performed and custom genes could probably be made and used to obtain custom features, like "anime hair" or albino features....but these things could be harmful and that's why genetic modification needs to be researched and experiments done to answer questions and lay out some concrete facts for everyone.
 
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post Oct 13 2005, 11:25 PM
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It is completely alright to choose the gender, eye color, whatever about your child because if that's what you believe....then do it! If you have 'moral opposition' towards this 'control' of a child then don't do it...simple as that.
 

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