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Jesus... gay?? |
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as a christian, for me, Jesus = God.
and God.. doesn't ... have sex with anyone. oh, bafflement. |
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I'm pretty sure Jesus was beyond sexual desire...
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Jesus had desciples that were all men because women were ment to stay and have families and the desciples all traveled around. that one time when Jesus talked to the woman at the well he could have been greatly punished and she could have been accused of adultury (i had to have spelled that wrong) and stoned. back then it wouldnt have been socially exceptable for Jesus to have a pack of woman with him all the time.
Jesus's sexual preference will always be assumed hetero because the bible condones homosexuality and the bible also says that Jesus lived a sinless life. it's because Jesus was sinless that his death on the cross was 'the ultimate sacrifice'. and at any rate, in the world today when you "like someone" or you're "attracted to someone" you are lusting after them. Lust is yet another thing condoned in the bible and so Jesus didnt do it. |
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QUOTE(suddenly she @ Sep 10 2005, 4:19 PM) I agree. Jesus never sinned during his time on this earth. He's perfect. So theres no way he could be a homosexual. Becuase homosexuality is a sin. That would be going agaisnt his own word. |
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One, this is pointless because there is no way of proving right or wrong since all we can base our points on is pure belief. There's no such thing as pure truth. I'm a hardcore believer in God, but then again I am not completely sure my beliefs are right, I just have faith in them.
Two, let's forget what I just said for a minute and keep on-track. Jesus was not heterosexual or homosexual or anysexual. Jesus was sent to this earth for the sole purpose of teaching and saving our souls from being condemned forever. I think I spelled that wrong maybe, blah blah blah. The crap with Mary Magdalene [or however it's spelled because I'm thinking of the Spanish spelling but that's not important right now] is most probably not true. She might've liked him, but he was not capable of liking her back, due to the fact that he wasn't sent to this world to live a regular human life. That and... how could he have kids? nonono. Three, I hate when people try to act like smartasses to try to prove themselves better than others, and there's one girl in this forum that just gets on my nerves but I'll remain silent as of who she is. No it's not the really smart 12-yr-old, I think she's pretty cool. Ok. I think I'm done, even though I could be forgetting half of what I wanted to say. [: |
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...I'm not Christian, but if Jesus was gay.. than wouldn't defeat the whole purpose of why God said 'homosexuality is wrong?' (Which I don't believe, but...)
I don't think Jesus was gay. and him looking for men wasn't for sexual purposes, it was for him to teach what he was teaching. |
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QUOTE(marfmallow @ Sep 11 2005, 1:29 PM) One, this is pointless because there is no way of proving right or wrong since all we can base our points on is pure belief. Thus, the beauty of debate. Something I found that was interesting. For those that question why a debate like this would come into question. http://www.postfun.com/pfp/homosexual.html#scripturehomo QUOTE But Scripture never condemns homosexual behavior by itself. It is condemned when practicing idolatry or sacred prostitution. It is condemned when promoting promiscuity. It is condemned when forcing violent rape or seducing children. And it is condemned when violating a guests' right to dignity as a male. Also, Scriptural references only speak of homosexual acts - not homosexual people. Not until the Revised Standard Version of the Bible (revised from the King James version in 1885) do we find references to homosexuals themselves. These occur in translating the Greek words "malakoi" and "arsenokoitai" in Paul's letters. Never is the issue of homosexual behavior between loving, homosexual partners addressed in Scripture. The reason is simple: biblical cultures did not have knowledge of homosexuality as a psychological identity. In biblical times homosexuality was known only by the acts people committed, not as a sexual personality. A person born heterosexual assumed homosexual acts to be something people did for dominance or in perversion of their inner identity. Scripture and Homosexuality Jesus homo? I still personally think not. There are numerous scriptures I could quote but if you all that interested go pick up the bible for yourself. ![]() |
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i think an interesting question would be, do homosexual acts make homosexual people (in biblical times)?
probably not nowadays, since there are tons of people goofing around at school, but anyway. opinions, please. as for me, 26B-27A sound as if they aren't just acts. in 27B, they say acts, but they say relations before. acts seem to be encompassed by relations, if you ask me. QUOTE 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. romans 1:26-27, NIV biblegateway.com ![]() sorry if this is branching off a bit. |
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QUOTE i think an interesting question would be, do homosexual acts make homosexual people (in biblical times)? I think that to people in biblical times, it was the homosexual acts that were condemned and not the people. However, I'm only saying this because from what i've seen, it's the acts that were condemned, and they didn't seem to recognise homosexuality as a state of being, but rather a lustful idea. |
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Jesus is not God. He was a completely normal human being (normal, of course, relating to the divinity issue). Normality includes sexual desire. Now, I'm pretty sure that Jesus was not a homo, but I think it is entirely possible that he had feelings for a female, very possibly Mary Magdalene. I don't know where you all are coming from saying that he was a living God, and that he didn't have any purpose on this Earth except saving us all from condemnation. Oh, the Bible, right.
Jesus was a good guy. He was an important Prophet, maybe the most important, and this is coming from a Muslim. But God? Or even the son of God? Don't make me laugh. If that's the case, then one can dispute that Muhammad was God's cousin twice removed. It's as laughable as saying Jesus was white.** **OH DRAMA!! |
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QUOTE(AkaRyux @ Sep 10 2005, 7:11 PM) I like cookies. Especially Oreo's. But anyways. QUOTE(Shahin) Jesus is not God That sentence right there has been up for debate since like, ever. Whether Jesus was God, or is the Son of God. Why would Jesus be homosexual when the Bible, who was written by God, through men, says homosexuality is a no-no? Why are all the pastors fighting against legalizing Gay Marriage? The Bible says it's a no-no. |
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QUOTE(sprinkle-the-stars @ Sep 11 2005, 3:00 PM) That sentence right there has been up for debate since like, ever. Whether Jesus was God, or is the Son of God. Or whether Jesus is neither the Son of God nor God himself, or if he was simply a man, a prophet. Why didn't you list that as a choice? QUOTE Why would Jesus be homosexual when the Bible, who was written by God, through men, says homosexuality is a no-no? The Bible was written by Men, through Jesus, over 500 years after his death. |
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QUOTE(sprinkle-the-stars @ Sep 10 2005, 6:53 PM) Out of sheer boredom? Hmph.. Katt. If you run for President. And you are running for the right reasons. You got my vote. ...and I'm really bad at this debate stuff. I can never really write exactly what i'm trying to say. something gets lost between the head and the hands. how about meeee do i get your vote? i'd be running in order to wrest power from the people and set up a society bent on conquering the mutant fiends on mars. QUOTE(suddenly she @ Sep 10 2005, 7:19 PM) errr... didn't god the father impregnate the young girl mary? |
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Immaculately conceived. However that is spelled.
Justin: If I get cookies, psh, i'll vote. Just dont tell my Weight Watchers lady. ![]() Shanin: He couldn't have been simply a man. A normal man can't be brought back to life. I forgot the fancy term. So what it was over 500 years? My math book was written by men about 10 years ago. Wow. |
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I know this might be random, but if God created homosexuality, why does he condemn it?
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QUOTE(dancerellie714 @ Sep 11 2005, 8:26 PM) he gave man the choice of free will. if we put this in extreme terms...it's like saying "god created murderers so why would he condemn them?" i really don't want this to go off topic so i apologize in advance, but free choice is what makes Man evil. It's a double edged sword. |
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QUOTE(dancerellie714 @ Sep 11 2005, 7:26 PM) he gave man the choice of free will. if we put this in extreme terms...it's like saying "god created murderers so why would he condemn them?" Didn't He also want to treat all men equally despite their differences? Wouldn't He know it's just a mental variance? Homosexuality isn't a choice. |
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Sep 11 2005, 7:40 PM) how about meeee do i get your vote? i'd be running in order to wrest power from the people and set up a society bent on conquering the mutant fiends on mars. errr... didn't god the father impregnate the young girl mary? i said this before, but i'm not catholic, so anyone who wants to jump in, jump in. jesus was a miracle. yes, the holy spirit gave jesus to mary, but it doesn't mean the holy spirit had sex with mary. and shahin. eh. i guess we just have different beliefs on that, so i don't think it would have much use saying "jesus = prophet" and "jesus = God" over and over. it just doesn't seem too productive. ![]() sprinkle-the-stars: coughcoughcoughcoughcoughresurrected. ![]() |
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QUOTE(dancerellie714 @ Sep 11 2005, 9:08 PM) do you know for a fact whether homosexuality is a choice or not? that's a who other debate in itself. i think the point katt was making is that it's NOT a known fact. it is controversy and that's why it's not fair to just say God gave free will and be done with it. |
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![]() hojax to the max ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Member Posts: 330 Joined: Feb 2005 Member No: 98,858 ![]() |
okay i see what you're saying fae...but i think katt actually was meaning that as a fact...just by the way she wrote it so plainly.
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![]() Quand j'étais jeune... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 6,826 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,272 ![]() |
uh, yea.. i see that now, sorry. the last sentence is rather emphasized.
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