^^^^^^^^^ You're so awesome. I found all those things too and would had commented but it was like midnight at home... so... yeah. Bedtime.

I agree with everything you say in this thread!

Go you!

Rin-chan

I would go gay for Justin just for that.

Well, no, I wouldn't.

But still, nice job Justin.

its ridiculous because there are so many other races out there. do you expect to have a month for every race?


all we study in this country is blacks and whites. i have met many ignorant people who didn't even know that some cultures exist.

white people basically run this country. they're know as prominent figures here and in other countries. there are important people in other countries but are they recognized? no.



yes but it is american history so we should study it.


white people didn't build america, they forced native americans to do the labor for them.

That is ridiculous. I don't think the forced labor of the American Indians was widespread, if present at all.

the only thing that the white people did to the native americans was take their buffalo, and take their land.

What grade are you in? I spent my entire 6th grade year learning about all different indiginious peoples all over North, Central, and South America as well as all over the world.

In 7th grade, though I don't remember much of Geography, we remember we had to learn for a test which Native Americans lived where, what they were noted for doing, and what type of houses they built.

In 8th grade, we covered it again but, since it was a survey course, not as in depth.

In 9th grade, we learned about World history, mainly focusing on Europe and Asia, so no native peoples.

In 10th grade, I learned, once again, about well-known Native American tribes and what the surviving tribes are doing today on their reservations. We learned about how Jackson initiated the Trail of Tears which killed many Cherokee.

I think we've covered the indinginious peoples of Noth America quite well.



Where the heck did you get that from? Like everyone else has said, we took their land, gave them diseases, fought with them, and killed off their food, but we never made them into slaves.

Rin-chan

Actually, instead of having a black history month and a white history month, we shouldn't have either. We should have an American history month where we celebrate the good things that happened in our country, including the Civil Right movements, etc. That way, nobody is left out, and it's for all american's since we live in america.
If we have a month for a certain group, as people have noticed, that only leads to more racism, and hate. People need to forget the past. The children of today have nothing to do with what happened a hundred years ago, or less. So move on! Honestly, because people cling to what happened to their group of religion, or race there is so much hate. Something horrible has happened to every religious group or race sometime or another in history. Nobody is "special" in that sense.
To me, everyone is equal, and I don't look at anyone by color, or religion. So everyone please move on and stop saying "my people suffered" well guess what...everyone's people suffered and people are still suffering. Forget about it, and move on because there are plenty of people in the world with open arms willing to love one another! Including me! I'm part Native American. What happened to them was just a bad! They don't have a month for us. Do I care? No...why do I need a month to support my ego?

Again...people...move on and love each other...

[quote=joizei__18,Sep 7 2005, 10:10 AM]
its ridiculous because there are so many other races out there. do you expect to have a month for every race?[/quote]

Well, isn't the point of these "months" to make it equal for everyone? Wouldn't it be a lot more equal to either have a month for everyone, or not at all?

[quote]
all we study in this country is blacks and whites. i have met many ignorant people who didn't even know that some cultures exist.[/quote]

[/font=tahoma]That's completely not true whatsoever. We study many, many, many other cultures and ethnic descents than just black people and white people. How come the rest of us think that's true and you don't?...Didn't you pay attention in history class?[/font]

[quote]white people basically run this country. they're know as prominent figures here and in other countries. there are important people in other countries but are they recognized? no.[/quote]

Nobody who isn't white is recognized? I'm sorry, but that's utter bullshit. I could name off so many important people who weren't white who just did important things in America, much less the rest of the world..

Just for example, Crispus Attucks. First black man shot in the Boston Massacre. And I didn't learn that during Black History Month..I learned that in November of 4th grade, when we started covering that period of time. I remember his name because we learned it, and continue to learn it, every year afterwards.

[quote]yes but it is american history so we should study it.[/quote]

WE DO LEARN IT! In 6th grade, I spent an entire trimester (12 weeks) just on Native American history in our US History class. That's the longest we've spent on it in one year, but seriously, how long do you expect? The amount of recorded (remember that, cause I know you'll just say, "yes it is ur ignorant!!!" so I stopped you from that. :]) Native American history isn't that big of a chunk of our country's entire history from the 1700s on.

[quote]
white people didn't build america, they forced native americans to do the labor for them.[/quote]

No. Seriously, were you sleeping during History class your entire life? Native Americans were never enslaved to do labor for anyone.

What part did Native Americans have in forming our country's laws? What part did they have in forming the government? What part did they really have in forming the real country we live in today?

I'm not being condescending, but really..Our current country was not formed by Native Americans. This is fact.

[/quote]

Maybe because they played the biggest role in the formation of our country?



Languages exists so that people can be understood, not to advance a political agenda. If you understand what we mean when we say, "Indians", then that's all that's needed, not any PC crap which takes away from the meaning of the argument instead chosing to focus on the syntax.



There is more to a country than land.



North American history would be about Native Americans, but United States history would be about those European settlers, and that's what we're more concerned about. If you really want to learn about Indians that much, you can go to a casino.



Important people in other countries are recognized in those countries. In America, it's rational to teach about the important people in America first, and other countries second. Just like in England, they probably learn about British heroes first, and Americans second.



It is not United States history. A country isn't just the land it's built on.



No, they forced black people to do the labor for them. Get it right.

Although in all seriousness, I can't seem to recall any non-white leaders of the Revolutionary Era, so it seems logical that white people played the major role in it. After all, the only non white people that are mentioned in our history books are Crispus Atticus, who was mentioned for being shot (who can name the white victims of the Boston Massacre? Hmm...?), and Sally Hemmings, for getting knocked up by Thomas Jefferson (can you name any of his white mistresses? No? Didn't think so).

The few non-white people mentioned in the foundational history of our country were thus mentioned for things like getting shot and raped, whereas a white person would have had to command an army or signed a declaration to get mentioned. Clearly, it is easier for a minority to get recognition--yet more whites still did. The only explanation is that they played a bigger role in founding the US.

It doesn't matter who did the grunt work... who picked the cotton is less important than who created the ideas that inspired the new government. And since cotton-picking is a team effort, the TEAM, not the individual, is remembered. The same way we don't distinguish between white factory workers but say that all the factory workers together made a huge impact, we can't really give recognition to any single black person because none of them stood out--even if, as a collective force, they had a major impact, one that we certainly recognize (Slavery is one of the biggest topics people learn about in early US history).

joizei__18 this is your verbal warning. why? don't repeat arguments that were already thoroughly discussed unless you are bringing valid and logical points to add.

the debate subforum people—me especially, really, really dislike repeated arguments.


Oh and since Minda pretty summed up the answer to the most popular question of why whites get so much recognition:

i'd really appreciate it if no one ask this again unless they have something to refute Minda's answer.

Yea, if anybody says "every month is white history month" one more time..no verbal warning. Just warning.

At least, that's what I would do if I was still People Staff. BUT I WAS PEOPLE STAFF so yea.

sorry, but it is like white history month.every month. people only keep sayin it, because it's true!

... how so? explain. i don't think there's anything you can say about this that the rest of us haven't already refuted.

sammi, you can go ahead and warn this person if you want to but i want to rip him/her to pieces in this thread.

please, PLEASE dont explain even ive heard enough. oh wait its jelly.....EXPLAIN! entertain me jelly haha.

evan your slow!! lol you jsut want me to entertain u soo uninspiredfae can rip me too pieces! haha im not sayin nuttin!! he/she jsut feels like arguing with someone, cuz they have nothing else to do!!

Um Fae, I'm Myspace Staff, now aren't I..

jEllyBeaNs, you continue to disregard the rules and not say things that have already been refuted. This is why you get told not to. At the top of the debate forum, there are rules. You need to read them and abide by them, or you will get warned. No one is arguing with you, we are just warning you.

If you want to go back into the other pages of this thread and find a good argument against "every month is white history month" and refute that argument, go right ahead, but repeating things to us does not make it any more true.

ooooooh [/spam] (its a her)

um, what? you're kind of clueless aren't you. that's not a question, by the way, just a statement. yes, the debate forum is for debating not pointless ranting and stupid, unsupported remarks. so please, please stay away before i warn you again.

yea, sammi... i realized that after posting and warned her myself.

White history month would be considered being racist, since "white" is still considered the majority however the majority of people in the US are not white....


Not having one stems to the fact that people feel whites where never discriminated against, but in truth, at one time or another everyone was discriminated against so yea.




...hmmm eventually, every race will just blend into a brownish whitish thing and then people will just have to figure out some other way to make themselves different. wheeee.

IMO people bring racism on themselves by making it such a big deal, if everyone would just forget that "Billy's white" and "Jackie is asian" the world would go alot better.

hmm....

yes thats would be beautiful wouldnt it?^

but one thing, you say whites were discriminated against. but i dont remember any times where there was stores and local theatures that said "no whites allowed". or whites being sprayed down with a hose by the black cops in the middle of the streets. I dont really think there is a exact comparison of the way minorities were discriminated against compared to whites. any discrimination towards whites was not to the same extent as it was to minorities.

The majority of people in US aren't white? says who?







*cough* Mendel *cough*




Backwards discrimination, happens all the time. By comparison, it seems like nothing, but I don't think we're talking about how much they were discriminated against, but the fact that they were in the first place.

no. i expect one for whites. racism? sure. but really, who cares? just let the white people have thier month.



let's see...

how many of these 'indiginous peoples' had a system of writing that we can read today? none.

it's american history. we have to have something to study.

and i distincly remember spending more time talking about the mistreatment of the indians (sorry, i mean indiginous peoples) than about the mistreatments of the poor whites.

white children in orphanages were 'adopted' and taken to the americas. white girls were taken over and forced into marriages.

so why don't we study them? why do we spend a month on the indians and a month and a half on the blacks, and one mention of the white indentured servants?

and when you say ignorant people, who exactly are you talking about? 5th graders?



right... that didn't make any sense.

now let's see..

condelizza rice
colin powel
alberto gonzolaz

wow they're all white are they.

there are 72 minorities in the house of representatives.




like said, we do study it.


now i must laugh at your ignorance.

please tell, have you even taken american history? ever?

im just saying, you cant really say "well white people were discriminated against too!" and try to compare it. thats what people are doing in here, comparing that to to minority discrimination.

^

from the first page



minority discrimination happens. minority favoritism happens, also, which brings about majority discrimination.

Must we bring up Jewish struggle AGAIN? Would you not agree a large majority of Jewish people in the US are white?