to begin with, i'd like to point out that I do not support Bush. However, I cannot understand why people are blaming him for Katrina, just because he has troops in Iraq. It seems like a lame excuse to protest the war and find a scapegoat for the hurricane

so, do you think Bush is at fault for part of the Katrina ordeal?

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Because the people are being selfish and assholes. They want out of there..and to them it definately isn't going fast enough...




Amen.

Yea, my respect for Kanye has been lost. No matter how against Bush I am, I have good reasons, and I don't think he'd just sit there while people are dying simply because they're black. If he was also the President of the KKK he wouldn't do that. He has a reputation and a country to uphold. Kanye saying something like that was definitely very unnecessary. This is not the time to tear the country apart.

Sure, some mistakes were made and perhaps some better planning etc. could have helped a hell of a lot, but it wasn't because of racism. White people live in New Orleans too.

we also have to consider that federal funding for the likes of FEMA and NOAA and the nat. hurricane center were probably diverted to iraq.


and as far as them knowing that it was going to hit- it changed from a cat 2 to a cat 5 almost over night, which is a why people didn't evacuate in time.

there is a senario where a hurricane hits new york and floods it to 25 feet. senarios are just that- senarios. they're not predicted.

they knew that if new orleans sustained a direct hit by a hurricane this would happen.

but new orleans wasn't hit by a hurricane. they were on the west side- the milder side of the hurricane.

so: why wasn't new orleans prepared? because katrina didn't score a direct hit.

Oh, and..

(13:57:56) John: see that's why i don't like uninformed debate
(13:58:14) Sammi: hm?
(13:59:06) John: "they can't do anything until the state declares a state of emergency" the state declared one a day before katrina hit. He's talking out of his ass to defend his point.
(13:59:20) Sammi: yea.
(13:59:23) Sammi: i don't like that.
(13:59:59) Sammi: i hate when people run out of things to say because they know the other side is right and then just start making up crap.
(14:00:02) John: obviously the underlying metaphor of the narrative hidden within the present calamity is lost upon a plebeian such as yourself.

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some of those people who are shooting down helicopters and trying to get as much food as they can are just outraged. they dunno what to do but that espcially the ones that have family.

you dont know whats going through their minds at this exact moment when we are at home drinking our water and sleeping in beds.

people have gone out of control because there are still people there that are waiting for help and its already .. like day 5?

If i was waiting that long i think i'd go out of control. I feel bad for those people cause they are mostlikely emotionally torn.

I'm with him. Sammi, who is John? And no, I don't think you're right. I think you make much better points than most people who are somewhat on your side in this debate, but I sitll must disagree

...What, you think the food hasn't gotten there because of racism? Pretty sure I'm on your side here, Nicki..

John = friend from home, he just jetted off to Purdue, very sad.

Oh, is that what we're discussing? Yeah, we're on the same side. Nevermind

I agree that it is because they are impatient, and also because a lot of the more out of control people do not have their medication, so they are a little out of it. I mean that is no excuse for shooting and raping, but that is part of the reason why they are being that way. I feel bad for them too, because I could not even begin to imagine what it would feel like to be in a situation like that.

Some other person said Bush didn't do anything because there was no state of emergency declared, and I pointed it out because that's not true.

I don't necessarily think Bush himself is at fault for the hurricane..if you read my first post in here, I think on the page before this.

whose fault it is?

that is an honest to god hard question to think about.

the state is to be blamed for not taking the right precautions. bush and the federal goverment for not reacting as fast as they could to save the thousands of people that could have.

but the it is over now and you cant go back and save all those people. the question now is how do we fix it, not who is to blame.....

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by the way, john sounds condescending and arrogant. no offense, john. (who the heck is john?)

In my opinion Bush is at fault but it's not ONLY Bush. For everyone who took 5th grade social studies you would've heard of the "Check and Balance" So every choice Bush makes must be approoved by the other two branches and vise versa. So the congressmen are also at fault here. BUSH SHOULD BE IMPEECHED!

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owait I don't make any sense! But I still think he's at fault.

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Yeah, you don't make much sense. Could you explain why he's at fault, please? Btw, it's impeached, not impeeched.

Oh thanks for the correction ^_^! I can't really explain why I do. For some reason when I first heard of Bush's actions my mind suddenly makes up a decision that I can never change.

lol wow you changed my vote, i love bush also. "

wow your just blindly pointing blame at someone? nowonder this world is so messed up.

if i did think bush was at fault i would of had atleast a resonable explantion.

Not to sound rude...but you think Bush should be impeached because you don't like his decisions for no apparent reason?

Okay.

bush is not a media president. he doesn't care about making the country like him, unless it's election year and he just cars about his voter base. he doesn't say things for the camera. and that would be why people are inclined to hate him.

however, in all probability, bush will go down in history as a contested president, who wasn't doing much, then cam 9/11 and it was his time to shine.

and although bush, and congress, are partially to blame for any funding diverted from disaster relief to iraq and homeland security (those chemical suits in iowa are really helping to protect the country, yup. lest the terrorists attack our cows.), most any other president would have done so.

^ That's not why people are blaming him, he's no fortune teller...it's that there was 2 or 3 days warning and nothing was done. It had already been determined that New Orleans was the 2nd most vulnerable city in the United States, and they had plans for this very situation..why wasn't anything done??

And John's not condescending..he's just right. How is correcting a fact condescending? Obviously the person who said it hadn't happened was uninformed.

like i said before...he waited 2/3 days before doing anything about hurricane katrina, 7 minutes before doing anything about 9/11. i wonder how long it will take for him to do anything if there's another terrorist attack? (i'm hoping there isn't.)

We only had a warning that there would be a hurricane. Nobody knew the pumps would back up and the levees would break. The federal government was completely prepared to move in supplies and troops over the highways and such, but once a city's 20 feet underwater, there's not much you can do. Supply boats are much slower, especially when navigating around floating debris, not to mention the fact that the boats and planes were getting shot at, which only makes matters worse.

And there IS actually a law that requires an individual state to declare a state of emergency before the federal government can assist it; it's one of the ways that the balance of power is maintained between state and federal governments. I'll get a link to it, the name escapes me at the moment.

And the whole thing about Bush being racist is just stupid. I'm not trying to be racist or anything myself, but if you watch the news and see minorities looting 50 inch plasma TVs (keep in mind there's no power) and see white people stealing food and water, that really tells you something.

Here we are trying to 'liberalize' and 'save' the iraquis, when we can't even save ourselves (example: hurricane katrina).

Maybe, oh, I don't know, maybe he was thinking of a plan?

I don't think you understand how much stress that is. You can't just jump up and throw a plan out. Otherwise, people like you would have even more to bitch about.

Joe is stealing all the smart. Stop it or... or I'll smack you.
I'll do it. *raises hand*

^ that's the thing.

FEMA has a plan for these kind of things.