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 Sep 2 2005, 10:37 PM
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It's not Bush's fault. Is there a way to control natural disaster. Nope. =D
But i think it's a good thing that Bush send troops in Iraq. If he didnt, shitload of people would've died of the hurricane 
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Sep 2 2005, 10:40 PM
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^ talking about iraq is off-topic...and that sentence doens't even make sense in the first place.
a "shitload" of people died of the hurricane already, evne though there are troops stationed in iraq. more than 1,000. |
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Sep 2 2005, 10:54 PM
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*sigh*
New Orleans has some pretty poor parts of town. All the people who had enough money to get out did. Those who were too poor could not. Don't say there's a bus service..how can a single bus service evacuate millions of people? No. Come on now. They weren't like, "Oh, a hurricane's coming in a week? I think I'll stay to see what happens." People aren't that freaking stupid. I agree those that could've gotten out should've, but it's true, some people couldn't. I'm still pretty curious about the prisoners in jail and what happened to them..... People aren't saying the Bush administration is at fault for the hurricane; that's absurd. However, they had lots of notice. Shouldn't they have emergency food sources prepared for this very situation? After 9/11, the government had a group of qualified people get together and discern which cities were most vulnerable to natural disasters. New Orleans was deemed to be #2. You would think that when someone looks at a weather map and sees a gigantic hurricane covering the entire Gulf Coast and knows that the people there are very, very vulnerable to said disaster, there would be something done about it. People aren't appalled at the fact that there was a hurricane..that's not what the blame is for. It's the fact that they did know 2 or 3 days in advance that the hurricane was rated at a 5 and they know long ago that New Orleans is under sea level and nothing was done. No food storage, no water storage, no plan of what to do if the city flooded..nothing. No one had any idea of what to do, and if these people don't get food and water really, really soon they will DIE. Moving them to a different sports stadium really doesn't do much, especially when you fill it up so quickly. They need food and water now, and with our country being so high and mighty, it's amazing that we have no plans of anything to help them. We're so quick to send mass amounts of food, water, money, soldiers, etc. to so many other countries, but we can't even help those in our own? What's done is done, some people didn't get out. Complaining about that does nothing right now. Let's make sure they live before we start worrying about rebuilding and whatever. If we have so much to give, why is it so hard to send some down there? |
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| *nightmare4taki* |
Sep 2 2005, 10:56 PM
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http://www.pixelmd.com/kanye.html
I agree with what Kanye is saying mos def in the video clip of the link that Steven gave me. QUOTE(Kanye West) George Bush doesn't care about black people LMAO  Watch how Mike Myers looks at Kanye afterwards, very funny. |
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Sep 2 2005, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE(headphones @ Sep 2 2005, 10:54 PM) *sigh* New Orleans has some pretty poor parts of town. All the people who had enough money to get out did. Those who were too poor could not. Don't say there's a bus service..how can a single bus service evacuate millions of people? No. Come on now. They weren't like, "Oh, a hurricane's coming in a week? I think I'll stay to see what happens." People aren't that freaking stupid. I agree those that could've gotten out should've, but it's true, some people couldn't. I'm still pretty curious about the prisoners in jail and what happened to them..... People aren't saying the Bush administration is at fault for the hurricane; that's absurd. However, they had lots of notice. Shouldn't they have emergency food sources prepared for this very situation? After 9/11, the government had a group of qualified people get together and discern which cities were most vulnerable to natural disasters. New Orleans was deemed to be #2. You would think that when someone looks at a weather map and sees a gigantic hurricane covering the entire Gulf Coast and knows that the people there are very, very vulnerable to said disaster, there would be something done about it. People aren't appalled at the fact that there was a hurricane..that's not what the blame is for. It's the fact that they did know 2 or 3 days in advance that the hurricane was rated at a 5 and they know long ago that New Orleans is under sea level and nothing was done. No food storage, no water storage, no plan of what to do if the city flooded..nothing. No one had any idea of what to do, and if these people don't get food and water really, really soon they will DIE. Moving them to a different sports stadium really doesn't do much, especially when you fill it up so quickly. They need food and water now, and with our country being so high and mighty, it's amazing that we have no plans of anything to help them. We're so quick to send mass amounts of food, water, money, soldiers, etc. to so many other countries, but we can't even help those in our own? What's done is done, some people didn't get out. Complaining about that does nothing right now. Let's make sure they live before we start worrying about rebuilding and whatever. If we have so much to give, why is it so hard to send some down there?  i agree completely. people are saying that everyone HAD the chance to get out before the hurricane hit...which wasn't the case most of the time. yes, some people that were indenial didn't evacuate because they chose not to, but that's THEIR fault. there were those that had no way to get out so you can't blame them and say that there was some possible way for them to evacuate. it's difficult, especially if you're disabled and in a WHEELCHAIR, to get out of new orleans when there's a hurricane. the population in new orleans ALONE is over a million. you really think there were enough buses to evacuate a million people? i think not. edit // i just watched that clip. kanye is my hero. lmao..i can't believe he said that. |
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Sep 3 2005, 12:12 AM
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QUOTE(nightmare4taki @ Sep 2 2005, 10:56 PM) http://www.pixelmd.com/kanye.html I agree with what Kanye is saying mos def in the video clip of the link that Steven gave me. QUOTE(Kanye West) George Bush doesn't care about black people LMAO Oh my gosh. I'm suprised he hasn't gotten shot at by some white folk. lmao..but that was effing hilarious.. |
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Sep 3 2005, 12:55 AM
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^ Mike Myers was looking at Kanye Like STFU. Im going to be laugh everytime I look at this. Kanye was stuttering and his voice was all raspy like he was nervous or something.
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Sep 3 2005, 01:12 AM
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QUOTE(mipadi @ Sep 2 2005, 7:11 PM) Well, it's not as though Bush has direct control over FEMA or the National Guard, so how can it be his fault, even if the efforts are not going well? I never said it was his fault. 
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Sep 3 2005, 01:20 AM
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QUOTE(Teesa @ Sep 3 2005, 2:12 AM) I never said it was his fault. Well, you said: QUOTE Well, at the very least, Bush admitted that relief efforts are not going well. Thank god he admitted one thing he did was wrong:
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Sep 3 2005, 01:27 AM
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OMG I JUST WATCHED IT. that is so crazy. lol kanye will speak anything on his mind.
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Sep 3 2005, 01:28 AM
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crushed. Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 9,432 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 20,026 |
QUOTE(mipadi @ Sep 3 2005, 1:20 AM) Well, you said: Oh, sorry, I was referring to the situation in Iraq as being one of the things he did wrong, not the hurricane. I apologize. |
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Sep 3 2005, 01:49 AM
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I came across a fairly interesting article that seems relevant:
"Virtually everything that has happened in New Orleans since Hurricane Katrina struck was predicted by experts and in computer models, so emergency management specialists wonder why authorities were so unprepared. "'The scenario of a major hurricane hitting New Orleans was well anticipated, predicted and drilled around,' said Clare Rubin, an emergency management consultant who also teaches at the Institute for Crisis, Disaster, and Risk Management at George Washington University. "Computer models developed at Louisiana State University and other institutions made detailed projections of what would happen if water flowed over the levees protecting the city or if they failed." [1] "But Louisiana State University engineer Joseph Suhayda and others have warned for years that defenses could fail. In 2002, the New Orleans Times Picayune published a five-part series on 'The Big One' examining what might happen if they did. "It predicted that 200,000 people or more would be unwilling or unable to heed evacuation orders and thousands would die, that people would be housed in the Superdome, that aid workers would find it difficult to gain access to the city as roads became impassable, as well as many other of the consequences that actually unfolded after Katrina hit this week." [2] A lot of the problems just seem to be more government bureaucracy. The article notes that FEMA has become so ineffectual because it is now a part of the Department of Homeland Security (the largest department in the US government), and is considered unimportant by many in DHS. (FEMA used to be an independent agency.) |
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Sep 3 2005, 01:51 AM
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i dont think bush is at fault, but he is not doing anything to make taht situation better. he has our soldiers in Iraq for a stupid war, when he could bring our troops home to help us. Bush is a HORRIBLE president!!! he cant even say a speech right without sayin umm... umm..
for goodness sake he cant even say america. man i cant stand bush! he needs to get his lazy but up and do sumthin about the survivors of the katrina, immediately! it shouldn't be takin this long!!!!
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Sep 3 2005, 02:08 AM
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 I come from East Oakland where the youngstas get hyphy! Group: Member Posts: 1,821 Joined: Feb 2005 Member No: 102,942 |
QUOTE(headphones @ Sep 2 2005, 7:54 PM) *sigh* New Orleans has some pretty poor parts of town. All the people who had enough money to get out did. Those who were too poor could not. Don't say there's a bus service..how can a single bus service evacuate millions of people? No. Come on now. They weren't like, "Oh, a hurricane's coming in a week? I think I'll stay to see what happens." People aren't that freaking stupid. I agree those that could've gotten out should've, but it's true, some people couldn't. I'm still pretty curious about the prisoners in jail and what happened to them..... People aren't saying the Bush administration is at fault for the hurricane; that's absurd. However, they had lots of notice. Shouldn't they have emergency food sources prepared for this very situation? After 9/11, the government had a group of qualified people get together and discern which cities were most vulnerable to natural disasters. New Orleans was deemed to be #2. You would think that when someone looks at a weather map and sees a gigantic hurricane covering the entire Gulf Coast and knows that the people there are very, very vulnerable to said disaster, there would be something done about it. People aren't appalled at the fact that there was a hurricane..that's not what the blame is for. It's the fact that they did know 2 or 3 days in advance that the hurricane was rated at a 5 and they know long ago that New Orleans is under sea level and nothing was done. No food storage, no water storage, no plan of what to do if the city flooded..nothing. No one had any idea of what to do, and if these people don't get food and water really, really soon they will DIE. Moving them to a different sports stadium really doesn't do much, especially when you fill it up so quickly. They need food and water now, and with our country being so high and mighty, it's amazing that we have no plans of anything to help them. We're so quick to send mass amounts of food, water, money, soldiers, etc. to so many other countries, but we can't even help those in our own? What's done is done, some people didn't get out. Complaining about that does nothing right now. Let's make sure they live before we start worrying about rebuilding and whatever. If we have so much to give, why is it so hard to send some down there? Well okay I read through this whole thread, and you seriously seem to be the only person who is on point with their information  . I just watched 20/20 on this tonight so I am a little more enlightened myself. Everyone is like yeah "Bush cant control the weather", and "those people should have been smart enough to evacuate if they knew it was coming". But like what you^ said Bush and the so-called government should have been prepared for this, since they had notice. And DUH many of the people who were really affected by Katrina could not afford to go anywhere else. I just feel really sorry for those people, and hope that they are able to recover soon enough. And by people blaming this on racism will not make the situation any better. Racism could very well be a factor, but pointing fingers saying that the president or whoever else is racist will not get the people in New Orleans out of their situation.
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Sep 3 2005, 02:39 AM
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QUOTE "If we can't respond faster than this to an event we saw coming across the Gulf for days, then why do we think we're prepared to respond to a nuclear or biological attack?" asked former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a Republican. I think that just about sums up what's going on here. Taken us four days to get down there and do something.. pathetic. But hey, this is America. And hey, I live in Houston and my school is getting even more crowded because we're taking in Louisiana kids.. I'm liberal, I don't like Bush.. and I especially don't like the fact it took him and the government so long to do something. The fact that the police don't even have control in New Orleans only makes things worse. Seriously, everyone is getting so mad over this, but the same people who are bitching are doing nothing to help out the situation. I don't like it either, but I'm not going to sit and bitch about it if there's nothing I can do to make it better. |
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Sep 3 2005, 09:04 AM
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QUOTE(jEllyBeaNs @ Sep 3 2005, 1:51 AM) i dont think bush is at fault, but he is not doing anything to make taht situation better. he has our soldiers in Iraq for a stupid war, when he could bring our troops home to help us. Bush is a HORRIBLE president!!! he cant even say a speech right without sayin umm... umm.. for goodness sake he cant even say america. man i cant stand bush! he needs to get his lazy but up and do sumthin about the survivors of the katrina, immediately! it shouldn't be takin this long!!!!How about you shut up and die? You do nothing but talk about blind racism and "omfg BUSH SUCKS". Just shut the hell up. The reason why its taking so long is because the people there refuse to comply with federal officials. They shoot down helicopters, police cars, fire trucks, everything with authority. The area with the damage is populated by projects. I just turned on the news to find out that they are now BURNING BUILDINGS. Does that sound so helpful? There are innocent people there. They are just hard to get to due to all the troublemakers. |
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Sep 3 2005, 10:11 AM
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^ i truly don't understand why these people would make matters worse by trying to SHOOT DOWN the helicopters that are caring food and supplies to them!
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Sep 3 2005, 10:18 AM
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No, niether do we. Or anyone else remotely sane.
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Sep 3 2005, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Sep 2 2005, 11:12 PM) i mean, sure there are nat. guard troops home, but they're not all close to the disaster area, a lot of equipment like half ton trucks and humvees are in iraq, a lot of troops are on home leave after an iraqi tour, and thus aren't really prepared to be called up. Well, the equipment issue shouldn't be a big problem--National Guard units usually don't have much in the way of equipment anyway, and when they go to Iraq, they don't use their own--they get issued heavy equipment like Humvees and 5-ton trucks. And if they are on leave, they can likely be recalled to duty to cover an emergency such as Katrina without any problem whatsoever. There is, of course, still the issue that if they have been deployed abroad, then they're not at home to help with such emergencies. |
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Sep 3 2005, 10:48 AM
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Haha at the end that whole "george bush doesn't carea about black people" was totally random and he was like looking at him like he was crazy =D
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Sep 3 2005, 11:37 AM
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about the whole helicopter thing:
its just like in somalia. if you go into somalia unarmed and give them food, they will shoot you down. they think that if they bring the helicopters down they can have all the food. a news team was going to give some food to a woman who had just had a baby, but the sheriff stopped her because he said that if she gave food to that family, they would die. they would be trampled to death. *off topic*: due to the fact that everyone was so interested in katrina, no one knew what happened in Iraq. 1000 people were trampled to death. |
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Sep 3 2005, 11:50 AM
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^um, 800 or so mainly women or children died on a pilgramige to mecca or something
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Sep 3 2005, 11:54 AM
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i lost weight with Mulder! Group: Official Designer Posts: 4,070 Joined: Jan 2005 Member No: 79,019 |
didnt know that....
other places need help besides the gulf coast |
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Sep 3 2005, 12:43 PM
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QUOTE(caytexo @ Sep 1 2005, 10:03 PM) Of course he was. The government freakin knew that there was going to be a hurricane that fell under catergory 3, and that it had the potential to become a catergory 4 or even 5. i don't UNDERSTAND why louisiana, alabama, and mississippi didn't have state and federal troops ready BEFORE the hurricane hit so that they could deal with the problem and have a PLAN. clearly, bush slacked off and was unprepared. he won't admit that there is a lack of troops in the south because they're all stationed in IRAQ. speaking of which, maybe some of you saw on good morning america when diane sawyer asked about this situation and guess what his answer was? "commercial break". yep. he DIDN'T EVEN ANSWER WHY THERE'S A LACK OF FEDERAL TROOPS BECAUSE HE KNEW DAMN WELL THAT THEY WERE ALL IN IRAQ. to be quite honest, i still can't believe this is happening. like i've said, only in america, under the power of george w. bush, would something like this get so out of hand that people are looting gun stores, looting houses, DYING IN THE STREETS, KILLING AND RAPING people, and leaving corpses to be eaten by rats. it makes me absolutely sick to my stomach and depressed to watch cnn and see cooper anderson<3 crying....as the f**king politicians are literally THANKING eachother and saying how much of a tremendous job they are doing as peoples' corpses are LYING ON THE STREETS and PEOPLE ARE STARVING TO DEATH. where am i? Bush can not do anything till a state declairs a state of emergency. And common SENSE would have told him not to send 40,000 people and millions worth of supplys into areas that were going to get destroyd in the first place. And you can't sit and blame Bush for some peoples reactions and what they do. If you were in his shoes you would know this, and Anderson Cooper is a f**king JOKE, along with that Rovera guy, all they can do is find a few babies that are at the super dome with there parents as they are getting on a BUS to get out of the city. The media itself is a joke, go donate to the Christens Children Fund so they can take 50 cents out of every dollar they make and pay big networks for spreading there name. You also don't hear on the news about the Church's that are saying on there broadcasting shows and such that New Orland's deserved it. |
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Sep 3 2005, 12:47 PM
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QUOTE(medic @ Sep 3 2005, 12:43 PM) Bush can not do anything till a state declairs a state of emergency. And common SENSE would have told him not to send 40,000 people and millions worth of supplys into areas that were going to get destroyd in the first place. seriously |
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