I thought there were already natives in America before white people discovered it. LOL I could be wrong though.

Yeah lets have a white history month.

... in context, i meant american society. they found american society. government. tradition. the melting pot, too, believe it or not.

Sure it was traditional to formulate a government to organize society, but would you say it was justifiable for them to take over the Indians land and drive them out? I am fully aware that there are government programs today that make up for those wrongdoings but still I honestly feel the our American Government was established in an unfashionable manner. Just my opinion.

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what the hell? lol it was kinda obvious i was kidding hence the
jeez get a sense of humor dont take life so seriously. omg

ill answer the rest of your stuff later

"Found" america huh? lol (more like took)

the suffering of one people gave hope to many others. ethics is very much involved and though i cannot give you a straight answer, i know this much: if it weren't for this nation, so many people would have no hope of freedom and opportunity. can it be justified, i don't know, but it depends on how much one values his/her lifestyle in the US.

we digress. white men found america, if other ethnics want to take over, it's going to take a lot of work and coopperation and the "white man's country" mantra has got to stop. they may have found it, but they're giving us huge chunks of it and it's up to us to piece these chunks with the whole not move away further by saying "that's yours white man, and this here is mine."


no. i already explained that they found american society. read the context.
and why don't you go to christohper columbus thread to debate me?

was it obvious? it wasn't to me.. maybe i'm just dumb. also, i don't have much of a sense of humor so telling to get one is impossible since i can't recognize a sense of humor when i see one.

Um, the reason any school wouldn't observe Martin Luther King Jr. Day is because there is no longer such a thing. President's Day & Martin Luther King Day were combined to make "Important Americans Day". Look! Blacks and whites celebrated together! Wow, that totally never happens..that's so weird, I thought every white person was racist!

If you didn't get that, it was sarcasm.

whenever a smilie is used, it should dawn on you that the person isnt serious.

important americans day!

WHY YOU PPL ALWAYS FIGHT ON ALL THREADS/TOPICS? PEACE!!!

right.. according to whom? is there a law of internet smilies i didn't know... i've been breaking that law.




kinda goes hand in hand, don't you think, Sammi?




... it's the debate forum... we're debating.

it ain't called the "let's all make peace and respect each other's opinion's " forum, you know.

it's debate. trodding on other people's opinions is required for fun.

^ Haha, it certainly is fun!

And yes. I've mentioned the holiday changing thing earlier in the thread too. I guess these people who have read the whole thread seem to have missed that part.

I agree, lifestyle would most definitely as you stated play a role in whether or not some people would think it is justifiable or not. I realize that modern day technology would not exist had it not been for these immoral deeds and I also recognize that some of the greatest inventions have came from America and changed many other countries way of life. So I guess In a since thats not a bad thing, but at the same time this technology is not a necessity in order to live. So as far as I'm concerned sure as I and many others have stated earlier let there be a month for each race. On the same token I don't think things will change though. People will always view it as racist coming from a white person, just like for instance: Dave Chapelle could make as many racist jokes as he wants and basically be off the hook where as any white comedian did the same he would most definitely be ridiculed. Just the way American society works these days, LOL.


I know this is off topic but I saw where someone said something that they separate certain students which is in their eyes suspicious. Yeah that’s how it is in my school to. At the same time Fae said it was necessary for individuals who were being discriminated against to take a stand for themselves. In the same token the rapper KRS-ONE said, "The only good rapper is a dead rapper." He was referring to 2pac and Notorious BIG. 2pac which im sure everyone knows was one of the few rappers known for speaking out against societal problems and oppression in which he faced in his day to day life. In context or in a since KRS ONE's statement is in my opinion the tantamount of the black leaders who fought to gain equal opportunity in the past, such as Dr. Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, who were both assassinated. So my saying is "The only good black leader is a dead one." So in other words what I'm saying is not to many people are willing to put their lives on the line.

the problem that we accept it, we embrace it rather than frown upon it is why such things don't change.
About what others have said concerning having a month for each race, my question is why? wouldn't this be another step away from piecing the whole, unification, and from the end of racism? Instead of chunks and pieces, we'll say "that is your month white man, this month here is ours".

Technology is a necessity for advancements of all sorts, but not for life, no. However, the fact that we're humans makes it impossible for us to live with any status quo. We always want better things and we're made to come up with technologies that will provide us better things. But what I mean by lifestyle is beyond technologies alone.



They were assassinated but they left a legacy of freedom in their wake. I know what you're saying, and I completely understand. A lot of times, we don't want trouble for ourselves. We just want to "get by", but remember that humans don't do well with "status quo". Even if one people wants be left alone, others will think they can get away with trampling on the rights of others. This begins the complete destruction of everything Dr King believed in and died for. I don't want to demean what you say, but my opinion of the saying "the only good Black leader is a dead one" is that it's very selfish and irresponsible despite its truth. Here's why:

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=94514
The thread above talks about the saying "for evil to triumph, good men should do nothing". The saying implies that we should not do anything against injustices of racism.

I said that we have to work at piecing the chunks together. The saying not only discourages anyone who'd want unite the whole—irresponsible, it also says that one wouldn't be willing to do so from fear of death—selfishness. If there is a need for a second coming of the civil rights movement, who would lead if everyone is so caught up with the saying "the only good Black leader is a dead one"? And if no one leads, we'd be in a tight spot of our own selfish and irresponsible doings.

edit> Instead of waiting for the second coming of the civil rights movement ACT before there is a need for it.


Anyway, this is the last post for the night, I have to go study statistics.. again.

yes, so what real need is there to be a white history month?

She didn't say there was one..she's arguing against all months. Just as I am. Pay attention.

thank you

one of the reasons i love you is because you actually pay attention to people

oh lol okay ur right im stupid im done im sorry

fae.. wil u find it in your heart to forgive a non pay attention silly child such as myself?

i didn't imply anything personal against you and i don't think you're stupid... the points you brought up are all interesting but you have to read the thread because it's all been said before. they get old after a while, if you know what i mean.

anyway, there's nothing to be forgiven about this is debate and we're supposed to get a little aggressive.

yay, so its all good in the hood now? haha

maybe this topic can finally go to the second page now right? haha

Second page? It's on the twenty-first page...

Noticing surroundingggggs. It's a good thing to do.

im talking about second page on debate lol not in the topic .

I am amazed how certain black people continue to blame whites for their problems because we 'enslaved' them and 'put them in the cotton fields'. Grow the f**k up. Everyone who was ever in a plantation at that time is dead now. All the plantation owners are dead as well.

No one arguing how bad it was has actually experienced it. No one.

It should be over, but hey. You see an opportunity and you take it. I would do the same thing. Blame the white people, and gain some extra respect, right? I don't mean this to everyone, but there are definitely minorities (not only black folk) taking advantage of it by blaming whites for the world's problems.

Now, its the law to have a certain percentage of your workers in a company be minorities. Otherwise, the employer would be charged on racial profiling. This is an effect of the constant complaining to the government. What if the employer finds an amazing worker, but he is white, and the company has no room for him due to the minority rule? His job might be replaced by a less deserving minority instead.

That doesn't sound so fair to me.
I hope I'm not the first to notice this.

no, ariel, we've discussed it all before

White Folks Rock My Socks So yeah they need a holiday...if other cultures got one let the bleach people get one as well..but if they do get one theres gonna be alot of nagging....and controversary..but thats life...mostly about the past and alot of crap the british did or what not....

Oh, alrighty Fae. I just have no patience to read through 20 pages. Heh.

If this goes on as it is now, white people are going to deserve a holiday. White people are being treated more like minorities and minorities are treated more like the 'ideal white person'.

But hey, its not like one day innocent white people are going to be killed just for living in the wrong area. Thats just crazy.

..Oh wait. That already happens.

Nevermind.