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Death Penalty, is it right or wrong?
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post Jun 17 2005, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE(sandra6645 @ Jun 17 2005, 10:08 AM)
God fae, i read your arguments, you almost convinced me otherwise. You should be a lawyer...
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Ah, if you were part of a jury, I would be a pretty awful lawyer because I am unable to convince you to send a killer to his death. But thanks for the comment. I do want to become a lawyer one day if time and money allow.

QUOTE(_suzie_ @ Jun 17 2005, 10:14 AM)
man, ur puttin it into situations. im only stating my opinion from a general outset.
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We cannot afford to generalized. When a death becomes generalized, it becomes unimportant. It becomes a number. (Please read Justin's, aka, Mr Acid's article entitled "a culture without death" in cB News). When a death becomes a number we forget that the number stands for someone who once lived. Samantha Runnion becomes victim # 1 of Alejandro Avila. We forget that she was a 5-year-old innocent who wanted to help a man looked for his damned, non-existent, lost puppy.

QUOTE(_suzie_ @ Jun 17 2005, 10:14 AM)
"unlawful" - in hitler's society, it was ''unlawful'' for a woman to work...''unlawful'' for jews to co-exist with the ''aryans''.
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We are beyond Hitler's society. Hitler thought it was moral to kill innocents. We don't send innocents to death, we send the guilty, very guilty to a lawful death.

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if my child was raped and murdered by some psyco, i'd take it upon myself to torture the bastard in whatever way possible. i dont EVER wana think what would happen if somethin like this was to happen to my child. i dont know how to judge this situation cuz ive never been in it...

I read in some reports once about a break-in that resulted in the rape and murder of a pregnant mother. I read about people who would shoot a convenience store clerk for 50 bucks. And I thought, what if I was the pregnant woman who thought she was safe in her own home. I also thought about my kids who might need to work in a convenience store one day and being in unnecessary danger. The reported deaths and motive for murder are real. There are these kind of sick people in our society. So sick, they can rape a child, stuff her own panties down her throat while they brutalize her body (another report). If you want sources for these murders, I will provide them. I researched each one when I took a street law class. I remember how I thought what if it was my child... what if it was me.
 
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post Jun 17 2005, 09:04 PM
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QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 17 2005, 7:31 PM)
When a death becomes generalized, it becomes unimportant. It becomes a number. (Please read Justin's, aka, Mr Acid's article entitled "a culture without death" in cB News). When a death becomes a number we forget that the number stands for someone who once lived. 
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I've also seen this when it comes to the media portraying deaths in Iraq.

QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 17 2005, 7:31 PM)
I read about people who would shoot a convenience store clerk for 50 bucks.
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I've read about people who'd do it for four.
 
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post Jun 17 2005, 09:54 PM
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ehh.

i agree- abolish the death penality.
tourture lasts much longer.

ehh. on a more serious note; not only should the death penality stay ( or exile to antarctica), life sentences, along with double life sentences, should not be able to receive parole.
 
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post Jun 17 2005, 09:59 PM
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Point. Game. Match.

Death penalty > Life imprisonment.
 
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post Jun 17 2005, 10:32 PM
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Off topic -____-

*shakes fists* help me with the publishing you two! I'm going post the first topic and Jusun's interview in the next hour. Please read over to make sure there's no mistake... LOL.

Back to topic..

< agree with what Justin said. *Glares at Mr. Acid*. tongue.gif
 
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post Jun 21 2005, 12:10 AM
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There should also be harsher punishment for parole violators if acid's suggestion doesn't pan out. Meaning i agree with you.
 
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post Jun 21 2005, 11:15 PM
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wroong. wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. just put em in jail..frekkin texas.
 
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post Jun 22 2005, 10:08 PM
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QUOTE(andriaalazing* @ Jun 21 2005, 11:15 PM)
wroong. wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. just put em in jail..frekkin texas.
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This is your verbal warning for spamming. Yes, I consider this spamming because:

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2) You obviously didn't read the thread because you didn't read the RULES
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post Jul 10 2005, 12:02 AM
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im against it.. only because death is quick and when its over its over, most criminals wouldn't care anyway if they die because they're so messed up in the head. i say life in prison would be the most thing they should do, because that actually makes you just keep going and going forever in a nothing world, that's punishment. and i think sex-offenders should be moved in with regular prisoners since they're kept by themselves to make it worse for them. people that do things liek that make me sick.. im so scared of rape and such _unsure.gif
 
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post Jul 10 2005, 02:37 AM
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QUOTE(xlauren73x @ Jul 9 2005, 11:02 PM)
im against it.. only because death is quick and when its over its over, most criminals wouldn't care anyway if they die because they're so messed up in the head. i say life in prison would be the most thing they should do, because that actually makes you just keep going and going forever in a nothing world, that's punishment. and i think sex-offenders should be moved in with regular prisoners since they're kept by themselves to make it worse for them. people that do things liek that make me sick.. im so scared of rape and such  _unsure.gif
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This debate is pretty much over.. Please read the previous arguments before you post because your opinion has already been stated.
 
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post Jul 10 2005, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(xlauren73x @ Jul 10 2005, 12:02 AM)
im against it.. only because death is quick and when its over its over, most criminals wouldn't care anyway if they die because they're so messed up in the head. i say life in prison would be the most thing they should do, because that actually makes you just keep going and going forever in a nothing world, that's punishment. and i think sex-offenders should be moved in with regular prisoners since they're kept by themselves to make it worse for them. people that do things liek that make me sick.. im so scared of rape and such  _unsure.gif
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This is officially your verbal warning for repeatedly ignoring the rules of debate in this forum.
 
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post Aug 7 2005, 02:17 AM
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QUOTE(Kathleen @ May 12 2004, 8:24 PM)
YES! If people have committed serious crimes, why shouldn't they? Hmm...they get to live their lives out as if nothing happened in a jail cell (where they are fed properly, etc.), with the slim chance (still a chance) that they could escape or be freed somehow through another trial. Furthermore, it shows other future criminals that people like them are being convicted, and may make them think twice. I have more on this, don't worry. _smile.gif
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definitely agree^^
 
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post Aug 7 2005, 02:36 AM
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There are nasty criminals everywhere i agree, but no one deserves death. It is not our right to choose other's death regardless of their crime. We are not God, we should not play His role. Who's say is it that defines justice? It is not fair, especially when the wrong person is accused and condemned to death in the face of "law". If you look back to the "witchcraft period" where paranoia balanced law, thousands were sentenced to death for accused witchcraft. This is not justice, and the death penalty is doing exactly the same thing, prosecuting those with the price of death instead of punishment.
 
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post Aug 7 2005, 02:48 AM
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i had to do a debate for this in school, and i went against it.

in my opinion, i go for it, since people do commit crime and murder, but what do the court do to them? just throw them in jail, and do nothing. They have committed murder, and the victim's family wants payback. just like what CEP said "an eye for an eye"
 
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post Aug 7 2005, 04:25 AM
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^interesting you should say that.
What if that person was you, in which case you acted in self-defense, killed someone but the evidence all pointed out that you were a vicious murderer. Would the death penalty be "payback" for something clearly you only see was unavoidable?
 
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post Aug 7 2005, 07:59 AM
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^ of course.

but then again, that'd probably never happen.
 
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QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 7 2005, 4:25 AM)
^interesting you should say that.
What if that person was you, in which case you acted in self-defense, killed someone but the evidence all pointed out that you were a vicious murderer. Would the death penalty be "payback" for something clearly you only see was unavoidable?
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how likely is that to happen? just curious. and what degree of murder is a 'vicious murder'?
 
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QUOTE(Olive @ Aug 7 2005, 2:25 AM)
^interesting you should say that.
What if that person was you, in which case you acted in self-defense, killed someone but the evidence all pointed out that you were a vicious murderer. Would the death penalty be "payback" for something clearly you only see was unavoidable?
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Even though modern forensic science has yet to prove any innocent person has ever been executed?

Why was this topic revived? This dead horse just can't be beaten any more.
 
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post Aug 7 2005, 09:16 PM
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seeing as im from texas, and we execute more people per year in our state than in any other state... im completely against it. its like, i punched you so ur brother punched me taken to the extreme. i dont think killing someone else solves the problem. someones already dead, i dont think we we should kill someone else as a form of payment. Then that makes us murderers. and actually there were some people that it turns out they were executed but were really innocent.
 
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I think it's not so much an issue of right or wrong, but an issue if it's worth it or not. What the heck are we doing spending 18 million dollars to kill someone who isn't even worth that much when we can get the same result by lining them up and putting a 10 cent bullet in their head.

But then, if we did that, it might be considered "inhumane." Yeah, because their murder wasn't. [/sarcasm.]

It's no wonder this country is in so much debt.
 
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post Aug 7 2005, 10:38 PM
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^ i think a bullet's more than that, and the cost of exicution is because of the appeals allowed death row inmates (which can be taken away and such to save money)

i say, just release them into the antarctic desert and say thier death was a tragic accident. then everyone's happy.
 
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QUOTE(insomniac @ Aug 7 2005, 9:16 PM)
seeing as im from texas, and we execute more people per year in our state than in any other state... im completely against it. its like, i punched you so ur brother punched me taken to the extreme. i dont think killing someone else solves the problem. someones already dead, i dont think we we should kill someone else as a form of payment. Then that makes us murderers. and actually there were some people that it turns out they were executed but were really innocent. 
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have you read the rest of the thread? i proved otherwise.
 
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post Aug 8 2005, 12:25 AM
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To answer the general How often does innocent execution occur, this was taken from Death Penalty Information Centre, of course, most who are sentenced to death would be dead already and thats a bit late to say, "whoops, sorry..."

"The danger that innocent people will be executed because of errors in the criminal justice system is getting worse. A total of 69 people have been released from death row since 1973 after evidence of their innocence emerged. Twenty-one condemned inmates have been released since 1993, including seven from the state of Illinois alone. Many of these cases were discovered not because of the normal appeals process, but rather as a result of new scientific techniques, investigations by journalists, and the dedicated work of expert attorneys, not available to the typical death row inmate."

A reminder that these people did nothing wrong, yet suffered the consequences.

QUOTE(RockizLife @ Aug 8 2005, 12:32 PM)
But then, if we did that, it might be considered "inhumane." Yeah, because their murder wasn't. [/sarcasm.]
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heh. Don't stereotype every crime to be the same, because there are many circumstances which the media does not cover.

QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Aug 8 2005, 1:40 AM)
how likely is that to happen? just curious. and what degree of murder is a 'vicious murder'?
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By saying 'vicious murder' i was just implying what forensic "evidence" claims to prove - and what media exaggerates, this does not necessarily apply.

QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Aug 8 2005, 11:28 AM)
Even though modern forensic science has yet to prove any innocent person has ever been executed?
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Forensic science does not replay the exact events prior to the crime.
 
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why would we be killing a crimial for killing someone to tell that killing is wrong?
 
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post Aug 8 2005, 12:36 AM
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^ironic huh?
two wrongs don't make a right i agree.
 

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