Half-Blood Prince Discussion, Spoilers |
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 Jul 24 2005, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE(glit_gal @ Jul 24 2005, 1:31 PM) j.k rowling says that on the night voldemort kills harry's parents, someone else was there...i wonder who it could be?  Hagrid? 
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Jul 24 2005, 09:12 PM
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 NO. I'm not 13. or 14. or 15. or 16. Group: Member Posts: 4,616 Joined: Jul 2004 Member No: 30,577 |
Back to the Horcruxes..maybe (another) reason that Harry inherited Sirius' house is so that he can go find the locket later(cause someone mentioned that Regulus left it there..)
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Jul 24 2005, 09:19 PM
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snape killed dumbledore and is the half blood prince
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Jul 24 2005, 09:21 PM
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 ..hawaiian pride.. Group: Member Posts: 40 Joined: Jan 2005 Member No: 84,150 |
QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 17 2005, 12:29 PM) the 6th horcrux is harry himself, unintentionally done but the dark lord doesn't care about it anyways. the dark lord would have thought it funny... track down the kid who was meant to kill him, and make it so that the kid would protect him. very sly of him. plus, all death eaters aren't allowed to kill harry, you know. it's not just because the dark lord wants to do it himself. ` the locket has been destroyed by Regulus Black regulus was the "idiot brother" who join the dark lord , but changed his mind. and voldemort killed him, remmeber? now remember what was in the locket. anyways: harry will duel the dark lord in the last chapter. He will kill the dark lord , but in doing so kill himself (even if i'm wrong about harry being the 6th horcrux) wow thats a cool idea... harry being the Horcrux... but i think that would be a cool ending... with both of them dying in the final battle... i hope jk does it likie that |
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Jul 24 2005, 11:04 PM
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i dont think one of the horcruxes is harry.. just because the way it was protrayed in the book it doesn't seem like something you can 'accidentally' do.. they said it was hard magic and you had to say some sort of a spell. plus voldemort has been trying to kill harry through out the entire series, why would he want to kill him if he was a horcrux?
im definitely thinking that regulas black idea is right now.. but who knows. and im starting to think the snape thing is right too.. that he's not really evil but it was a plan with him and dumbledore so that he could help harry kill voldemort. but idk.. it would be a cool twist. plus dumbledore trusted snape so much.. 'eh idk. maybe im just wishful thinking 
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Jul 26 2005, 08:46 PM
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I don't like to say out loud my theories... because then I believe them and if they don't happen, I'll be disapointed and I'll hate the next book.
I liked this book a lot. 5 sucked. MY order: 1,6,2,3,4,5 The first one was the best. Just because you saw the movie before reading the book is not my fault. The second one was good too. It had a lot of suspence. I liked the timeturner part on the 3rd. The fourth was ok. The fifth sucked. |
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Jul 26 2005, 10:56 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 17 2005, 7:07 PM) ergo: the last chapter of the last book is either: the final scene of the duel with the dark lord, where harry dies, or it is harry's funeral, after he dies killing the dark lord. Meh, I read somewhere that the last chapter would be what everyone who survives would be doing afterwards. I think it was part of an interview.. I might have to dig it up somewhere. |
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Jul 26 2005, 11:36 PM
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 there's no excuse at all... Group: Member Posts: 318 Joined: Jan 2004 Member No: 1,520 |
QUOTE(basick @ Jul 20 2005, 12:18 AM) my theory 1) Snape is a good guy. Before being killed, Dumbledore was saying "please... please". I think he is saying please follow through with the plan etc. I remember that snape and dumbledore were arguing about something, my theory is that it was that snape didnt want to kill the only person that had trusted him so Dumbledore was like you have to follow through. At the end harry was calling snape a coward and that really pissed him off, Snape was probably thinkin he just had to kill the only person that trusted him thats why it angered him. hey that;s a good theory! 
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Jul 26 2005, 11:55 PM
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QUOTE(Days Nearly Over @ Jul 26 2005, 10:56 PM) Meh, I read somewhere that the last chapter would be what everyone who survives would be doing afterwards. I think it was part of an interview.. I might have to dig it up somewhere. why would that be a painful chapter to write? |
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Jul 27 2005, 12:31 AM
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Day's Nearly Over Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 4,553 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 45,183 |
QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 27 2005, 12:55 AM) why would that be a painful chapter to write? I would think it'd be painful to write about the death of your favorite characters or whatnot. Thinking about it, some of the most loved characters may not survive. I forgot who said it but someone did say that Harry's going to die because their theory. If it's painful enough, it'll probably be hard for JKR to write about things that went on without Harry - after all, Harry was the main character and it must be painful to write about the death of Harry. Who knows? I'm just guessing. Don't take it against me, please. |
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Jul 27 2005, 12:34 AM
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okay im completely lost now. i hear that snape killed dumbledore but i also hear from a friend who finished the book that hagrid dies.. do both happen or what.. ah im so confused i havent even started reading the boook yet AND i didnt even finish the 5th book.
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Jul 27 2005, 12:37 AM
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QUOTE(jr0h @ Jul 26 2005, 10:34 PM) okay im completely lost now. i hear that snape killed dumbledore but i also hear from a friend who finished the book that hagrid dies.. do both happen or what.. ah im so confused i havent even started reading the boook yet AND i didnt even finish the 5th book. Snape wtfpwned Dumbledore. Hagrid doesn't die. The hexes and jinxes were no match for his giant-skin. Your friend lied to you. - Solipsist |
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Jul 27 2005, 02:58 AM
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QUOTE(robb0 @ Jul 26 2005, 10:45 PM) ok, im agreeing with basick on this. do you remember at the beginning, the chapter with the unbreakable vow? Snape was reluctant to do it because he knew... kill dumbledore, or die. jkrowling mentioned in the book snape arguing with dumbledore, saying "you're asking too much from me!" dumbledore was probably telling him to go on with the plan,keep spying on voldemort for the order of the phoenix, and murder the headmaster if necessary. when potter calls snape a coward in the end, snape gets very angry. because snape knew, he knew that he really was a coward. he was afraid of his own death, and he was afraid of killing dumbledore. there was a little sentence, very near the murder, saying that snape had a look of utter revulsion and hatred upon his face. we all know that snape is a sadist, he enjoys other people's misfortune. however wouldnt that sentence have been more effective if it was said like this: "There was a look of utter revulsion and hatred of the old man." no, jkrowling left out those words. "Severus...please." just add one tiny little word, "no." but she chose not to. severus didnt have a look of hatred of dumbledore on his face. he had a look of revulsion on himself. he was revolted at himself. Good theory. I agree too. I want to believe basick's theory. I really do hope that's what happens. I don't really think that Voldemort made Harry the 6th horcrux. Yes, it would be clever for him to do it but it just doesn't seem too...real. Well I'm hoping what happens is that Snape and Dumbledore really did have a plan. In the beginning when Snape made the unbreakable vow he was hesitant to do it. He knew that Dumbledore trusted him and that it'd be hard for him. That's why I agree with the theory that Snape really is good and that he did what Dumbledore wanted him to do. |
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Jul 27 2005, 10:29 AM
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hey robbo, have you been to http://haneoka.net/karenai/archives/evil.htm yet? check it out; it supports your theories (or the other way around).
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Jul 27 2005, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE(JasonBeTheMan @ Jul 20 2005, 8:08 PM) Yeah, well why didn't Snape kill anyone on the way out? He stunned people at the most. He was told not to kill Harry by Voldemort....but the only one that Snape killed was Dumbledore.....no Aurors....students...staff....no one. Don't you think it's unusual that Dumbledore never once said.."please don't kill me"...or hell....not even a "please don't". Only a "Severus....please". A little peculiar. So I believe that Snape is not so much....good.....but not a death eater.....he is an ass though. Well you have to remember that snape gave an unbreakable vow to protect Draco. Draco's job was to kill dumbledore, not aurors or other students. Snape only made a vow to protect Draco which meant that if Draco could not do what he was initially sent to do than he had to finish it for him. Snape didnt' have a choice but to kill dumbledore. It was either his life or dumbledore and i'm guessing from that conversation that Hagrid overheard that dumbledore wanted snape to kill him. It's kinda similar to the theory basick and robb0 had...well kind of. |
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Jul 29 2005, 02:02 AM
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Ok ideas here. I don't think harry is a horcrux. at all. Don't you s'pose voldemort would have all 7 horcruxes before going around killing people/ attempting to kill his equal? cuz he'd want a lucky wizarding numba or whatever beforedoing stuff like that. And also, going back a while, i'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but ginny couldn't really be a horcrux either seeing as if VM was to make ginny a horcrux, then he'd have 8 which he wouldn't want. plus, once you're already in form of a horcrux, can yo make another one? oh well, that's not that important. I would think that something of ravenclaw or gryfndoor *Horrible spelling*, however it would seem somewhat awkward to just leave one house out of the horcruxes, which doesn't seem dramatic enough for voldemort, which seems sorta outta his style. Then again, jk might be sitting at her computer laughing at all these theories and RAB be like... Robert alfred Bobber...sen... and the final horcrux really be VM's neighboor's drycleaner's sister's favorite lawn gnome, but maybe not. I guess all in due time.
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Jul 29 2005, 09:26 AM
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dripping destruction Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 7,282 Joined: Jun 2004 Member No: 21,929 |
LISTEN TO DUMBLEDORE:
dumbledore tells harry that when he went to godrics hollow, he still had one horcrux to make. the dark lord wanted to use the special murder of harry potter to create his sixth horcrux. |
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Jul 29 2005, 12:43 PM
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Oh. My bad. that pretty much kills my theory. Ah, well, harry's a horcrux, why not. But just wondering, when does he say that? cuz i really don't remember it.... I guess my memory just SUCKS. Ah well.
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Jul 29 2005, 12:52 PM
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QUOTE(Whattheflipvfp @ Jul 29 2005, 1:43 PM) Oh. My bad. that pretty much kills my theory. Ah, well, harry's a horcrux, why not. But just wondering, when does he say that? cuz i really don't remember it.... I guess my memory just SUCKS. Ah well.  the book doesn't say that...we have to guess the last horcrux ourselves until the final book comes out.
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Jul 29 2005, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE But wasn't the prophecy "Only one of you can live on.." ? Or something along those lines? In that case.. Harry can't die while killing Voldermont can he? Or.. Maybe Harry will continue to exist infinetely somehow.. Like there's another way to preserve your soul without making a horcrux? no...  it said one can't live while the other one is alive which means one has to end up killing the other in the end. it never said both of them can't die. and how does that mean that one will never die? |
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Jul 30 2005, 01:42 PM
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Yes VERY interesting THEORies but. I know who dies in the last book. Which also supports the theory of Harry being the 6th Horcrux. I dunno if I shud tell you guys.. I dont want to ruin the excitement of the last book.
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Jul 30 2005, 04:02 PM
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eh, some of u believe that snape loved lily...snape might've loved lily, but not a lot...cause in the fifth book snape said "i dont need help from filthy little Mudbloods like her [Lily]!" [quote from snape's worst memory]...but its a cool theory anyhow-i believe it; im just pointing something out...even though u guys have moved from that topic 2 horcruxes, snape killing dumbledore and whatnot
 [quote]Yes VERY interesting THEORies but. I know who dies in the last book. Which also supports the theory of Harry being the 6th Horcrux. I dunno if I shud tell you guys.. I dont want to ruin the excitement of the last book[/quote] no way dont tell! |
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Aug 2 2005, 10:40 AM
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Has anyone checked out the site... http://www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com/ It has VERY VERY VERY VERY good ideas as to the Snape/Dumbledore issues..after you have read it...my comment would be.. JKR says "...as many of you have deduced, Dumbledore's Patronus is indeed a phoenix." http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/faq_poll.cfm -and- At Dumbledore's funeral in the book the following is said... "White smoke spiraled into the air and made strange shapes: Harry thought, for one heart-stopping moment, that he saw a phoenix fly joyfully into the blue, but next second the fire had vanished." (HBP pg 645/601) Since the order used their patronus to communicate is this Dumbledore sending something?..you must read the whole site to understand better... |
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Aug 2 2005, 12:12 PM
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The only reason I do not think Harry is a Horcrux is the fact Voldemort throws a death spell at him in this book. Dumbledore saves Harry at the last minute blocking the spell.
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Aug 2 2005, 04:16 PM
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I haven't read the other post so I dunno if someone's already said this but I just wanted to draw your attention to something that surprised me about the 6th Harry Potter book. For those of you who've read the book and/or own it, please turn to pg. 485.
It says in the 4th paragraph, and I quote: QUOTE "I have had it all tested for poison," He assured Harry, pouring most of the first bottle into one of Hagrid's bucket-sized mugs and handing it to Hagrid. "Had a house-elf taste every bottle after what happened to your poor friend Rupert." Rupert is the name of the actor that plays Ron Weasley. Have any of you noticed that? And I was wondering, if no one can Apparate or Disapparate onto Hogwarts grounds and inside the castle, then how come Kreacher and Dobby were able to? |
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