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White history month?, racism
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post Aug 1 2005, 01:49 PM
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the main racism I see recently is directed against white people. I don't know, maybe it's just where I live, but all these black kids are really racist towards white kids. It really pisses me off sometimes 'cause I never did anything to them, but they act like I'm inferior because of my race.

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I'm not racist. Black history month isnt some month where we celebrate why black people are better...it just goes into the HISTORY as in the achievents and it recognizes those who may have been overlooked otherwise.


like there aren't plenty of white people whose achievements are overlooked...

the people in the history books weren't recognised and recorded just because they were white. One finds mostly white people in the earlier American history because that was by far the majority at that time. At that point in time, most of the black people in the country were slaves. That's why most of the black people in the history books were part of the aboliton or cival rights movements... but aside from that, there are still quite a few black people in the history books for other achievements. It's likely that in the future there will be even more black people in the history books for other reasons, but for now I don't think we should have months or whatever celebrating one particular race. I think it's fine to have a day, week or month even celebrating civil rights leaders or abolition leaders, but not one race in particular.

call me a racist if you want, but:
races don't want equality, they want their race to be favored.
 
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post Aug 1 2005, 01:52 PM
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I basically agree with you. It's not being racist at all. It's about being equal.
 
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post Aug 1 2005, 03:22 PM
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Why would we need white history month?

Go to school. You'll learn all about it.

You can't say the same for blacks -- in United States public schools, the black culture's behind the scenes action is substantially ignored.
 
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post Aug 1 2005, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE(brownsugar08 @ Aug 1 2005, 3:24 PM)
So after we get a white history month are we going to have a hispanic history month too? Then an asian history month? Then an arabian history month?

I think it's fine the way it is.
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... we do have an Asian Pacific American Heritage Month as well as Hispanic Heritage Month. Arabian would go under Asian.
 
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QUOTE(brownsugar08 @ Aug 1 2005, 1:24 PM)
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So after we get a white history month are we going to have a hispanic history month too? Then an asian history month? Then an arabian history month?

I think it's fine the way it is.
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Wouldn't you agree that we as a nation overcompensate for blacks?

I don't think that the overcompensation should continue much longer because we've since eliminated the problem, but Black History Month serves a good purpose in bringing a usually absent awareness in black triumph.

Honestly, United States history classes focus on the actions of white people. I remember learning about Dred Scott, Frederick Douglass, Thurgood Marshall, and a few others, and that was it.
 
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post Aug 1 2005, 04:07 PM
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So after we get a white history month are we going to have a hispanic history month too? Then an asian history month? Then an arabian history month?

I think it's fine the way it is.


then just get rid of black history month and educate people on all races all year long. problem solved.

QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Aug 1 2005, 3:28 PM)
Wouldn't you agree that we as a nation overcompensate for blacks?

I don't think that the overcompensation should continue much longer because we've since eliminated the problem, but Black History Month serves a good purpose in bringing a usually absent awareness in black triumph.

Honestly, United States history classes focus on the actions of white people.  I remember learning about Dred Scott, Frederick Douglass, Thurgood Marshall, and a few others, and that was it.
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there are plenty of black people in the history books. I don't know what book you used, but we had a whole chapter devoted to black people and then every chapter talked about at least one black person's significance. usually much more, but as I said earlier, the founders of this country were for the most part white. Our country broke off of England, so we're gonna have a lot more white people in our earlier history. It's likely that in the future there will be a great deal more black people (or people of other minorities) to talk about now that we all have equal rights. (for the most part... it seems that's not completely true anymore since people overcompensate)
 
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post Aug 1 2005, 04:08 PM
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Blacks are minority,
 
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post Aug 1 2005, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE(reolistic @ Aug 1 2005, 4:08 PM)
Blacks are minority,
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and your point is?

finish your sentence or fix the punctuation.
 
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QUOTE(ursedonah @ Aug 1 2005, 2:07 PM)
then just get rid of black history month and educate people on all races all year long. problem solved.
there are plenty of black people in the history books. I don't know what book you used, but we had a whole chapter devoted to black people and then every chapter talked about at least one black person's significance. usually much more, but as I said earlier, the founders of this country were for the most part white. Our country broke off of England, so we're gonna have a lot more white people in our earlier history. It's likely that in the future there will be a great deal more black people (or people of other minorities) to talk about now that we all have equal rights. (for the most part... it seems that's not completely true anymore since people overcompensate)
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I'm still talking about the ratio here. Let's say there's a 100:1 ratio of white/black figures mentioned in a history book (and that's pretty realistic).

What problem do you have with a Black History month to even things out? What necessity do you find in a White History month since for 12 years of your life you'll be in school learning about white history every day?
 
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post Aug 1 2005, 05:21 PM
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I'm just saying that there are other races that deserve recognition too. It's not fair to have a black history month without months recognising the other races and so we should just eliminate all of that... we should learn about all races all year long.
 
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post Aug 1 2005, 05:34 PM
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if we really wanna get into it, why isnt there a jewish history month? because if its fair for african-americans to get a holiday because they were enslaved, the jews were enslaved for hundreds of years. and someone should bring back the affirmative action debate. i have a lot to say about that.
 
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post Aug 1 2005, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(insomniac @ Aug 1 2005, 5:34 PM)
if we really wanna get into it, why isnt there a jewish history month? because if its fair for african-americans to get a holiday because they were enslaved, the jews were enslaved for hundreds of years. and someone should bring back the affirmative action debate. i have a lot to say about that.
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Probably because it was Americans who enslaved African Americans-thus we have a holiday for it....that's like saying there would be one in China for African Americans (The Isrealites weren't slaves to Americans...nor did they even live in what was America, I mean blacks were slaves in other countries for hundreds of years too....), and as far as I know, there aren't even any holidays about slavery, there is Martin Luther King Day which is for civil rights-which is different...

But anyways, why do we need a white history month? Even during black history month I still learn more about white people in history class than I do blacks...
 
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post Aug 1 2005, 07:35 PM
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true equality will never be achieved so long as there are humans.

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post Aug 1 2005, 09:01 PM
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i think it's fine the way it is. and honestly, not to sound racist, but there shouldn't be a white history month.

everything this nation is about evolved around the free white man. it might sound awful but i think there's just too much white history. when you learn about the most important events of us history, most of it is focused on the white people. american revolution. the founding of this country. even the civil war was mainly focused on white people. the major thing for black history i can think of is the freedom of slaves and the civil rights moment.

it might just seem like black people are getting a lot of recognition. however, look how long it took for black people to get equal rights as white men.
 
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QUOTE(PiGo @ Aug 1 2005, 6:07 PM)
Probably because it was Americans who enslaved African Americans-thus we have a holiday for it....that's like saying there would be one in China for African Americans (The Isrealites weren't slaves to Americans...nor did they even live in what was America, I mean blacks were slaves in other countries for hundreds of years too....), and as far as I know, there aren't even any holidays about slavery, there is Martin Luther King Day which is for civil rights-which is different...

But anyways, why do we need a white history month?  Even during black history month I still learn more about white people in history class than I do blacks...
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Jewish people don't live in America? huh.gif Um, yea they do. *waves* HIIII I'm legally born Jewish, thanks..Just because their hardships didn't happen here doesn't mean we shouldn't learn about it. Many, many Jewish people immigrated more and more from Europe during & after the Holocaust, and Jewish people who were living here during that time were still scared for their lives. There's still Nazis living in this country. It's not important enough to learn about or have a holiday about..?

Why should the other races not get as much recognition as black people for their oppresion? Other groups of people have gone through many hardships as well, and if you say the Holocaust doesn't equal slavery, you're wrong. 6 million Jews alone were murdered, as well as many other groups (gypsies, homosexuals, etc.). Enslavement does not equal murder. Why should black people get a whole month celebrated and dedicated to them with so much recognition, national holidays because of their race, extra points on standardized tests, etc.? Supporting that is like saying other races are indeed inferior and do need extra help.

Why are Jewish holidays not national holidays and Christian holidays are? It might just be me, but I think Jewish people went through a bit more trouble being accepted (and there's still discrimination against Jews today) than Christians did.
 
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post Aug 1 2005, 10:14 PM
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QUOTE(Endless_Symphony @ Aug 1 2005, 9:01 PM)
i think it's fine the way it is. and honestly, not to sound racist, but there shouldn't be a white history month.

everything this nation is about evolved around the free white man. it might sound awful but i think there's just too much white history. when you learn about the most important events of us history, most of it is focused on the white people. american revolution. the founding of this country. even the civil war was mainly focused on white people. the major thing for black history i can think of is the freedom of slaves and the civil rights moment.

it might just seem like black people are getting a lot of recognition. however, look how long it took for black people to get equal rights as white men.
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how is that not racist?

not all white people are like rory gilmore.

white people can be opressed too. jewish people, for instance. French people.

there is that quote about helping black people... what is it...

" you do not take an old hobbled man, throw off his chains, and bring him to the starting line and tell him 'you are free to compete with everyone else' "

to that i reply:

neither do you take an old hobbled man, throw off his chains, and bring him to the finish line and tell everyone else ' now it is fair' "

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post Aug 1 2005, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE(ursedonah @ Aug 1 2005, 4:21 PM)
I'm just saying that there are other races that deserve recognition too. It's not fair to have a black history month without months recognising the other races and so we should just eliminate all of that... we should learn about all races all year long.
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True that.

Perhaps this sounds extremely close-minded, but I really think that black history month is just a consolation. The fact that they have black history month is racist in itself because they are secluding blacks from other races as if they are giving blacks a privelege other people don't have. And they're basically saying they're inferior because they need to be backed up by their OH SO GREAT history instead of what's going on today. I mean, the society now makes it seem more acceptable to be racist towards someone white than someone black. Why? Because blacks are supposedly 'inferior' and need this kind of reinforcement. If they were just recognized as human beings and not blacks, there would be no such thing as black pride or black history month. Everyone would be EQUAL. As the HUMAN RACE was intended to be.

I'm not saying blacks are inferior, it's just how society seems to portray it.

Solution: Either all or nothing. A month for every race or no months for any race. The fact that you're singling out one race is saying that they are either superior or inferior, which is racist in some way.
 
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Jewish people don't live in America? huh.gif Um, yea they do. *waves* HIIII I'm legally born Jewish, thanks..Just because their hardships didn't happen here doesn't mean we shouldn't learn about it. Many, many Jewish people immigrated more and more from Europe during & after the Holocaust, and Jewish people who were living here during that time were still scared for their lives. There's still Nazis living in this country. It's not important enough to learn about or have a holiday about..?

Why should the other races not get as much recognition as black people for their oppresion? Other groups of people have gone through many hardships as well, and if you say the Holocaust doesn't equal slavery, you're wrong. 6 million Jews alone were murdered, as well as many other groups (gypsies, homosexuals, etc.). Enslavement does not equal murder. Why should black people get a whole month celebrated and dedicated to them with so much recognition, national holidays because of their race, extra points on standardized tests, etc.? Supporting that is like saying other races are indeed inferior and do need extra help.

Why are Jewish holidays not national holidays and Christian holidays are? It might just be me, but I think Jewish people went through a bit more trouble being accepted (and there's still discrimination against Jews today) than Christians did.

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You should know, then, that the persecution occurred for thousands of years.
 
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post Aug 1 2005, 10:52 PM
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well...yeah. i know that. but i tend to overexaggerate, and had i been thinking of thousands, i would have ended up saying millions or something.


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o...and btw, martin luther king jr. fought for all minorities...so if ur saying that black people deserve a holiday because of the civil rights issues...jewish people, as well as all other minorities were involved as well. all or nothing is the only way to really insure equality of all races. why does race matter? to celebrate a race at all is racist in itself. ur putting it forward, saying that a group of people are great only because of the color of their skin. that seems pretty racist to me.
 
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QUOTE(headphones @ Aug 1 2005, 10:14 PM)
Jewish people don't live in America? huh.gif Um, yea they do. *waves* HIIII I'm legally born Jewish, thanks..Just because their hardships didn't happen here doesn't mean we shouldn't learn about it. Many, many Jewish people immigrated more and more from Europe during & after the Holocaust, and Jewish people who were living here during that time were still scared for their lives. There's still Nazis living in this country. It's not important enough to learn about or have a holiday about..?

Why should the other races not get as much recognition as black people for their oppresion? Other groups of people have gone through many hardships as well, and if you say the Holocaust doesn't equal slavery, you're wrong. 6 million Jews alone were murdered, as well as many other groups (gypsies, homosexuals, etc.). Enslavement does not equal murder. Why should black people get a whole month celebrated and dedicated to them with so much recognition, national holidays because of their race, extra points on standardized tests, etc.? Supporting that is like saying other races are indeed inferior and do need extra help.

Why are Jewish holidays not national holidays and Christian holidays are? It might just be me, but I think Jewish people went through a bit more trouble being accepted (and there's still discrimination against Jews today) than Christians did.

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I think you misunderstood what I was saying...Actually a Jewish history month or something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea, but that wasn't what I was getting at. I was kind of saying that we have one (not the reason I think we should have one) is because it's commemorating what American people and government has done to Blacks in America...
Sorry if that didn't make sense, but I find it hard to express my ideas using a computer...but I wasn't trying to say what you thought I was.
 
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If you want white history day fight for your holiday but in the proccess dont bring down the blacks history, holiday, funding.. Blacks have come a long way from the days of black civil rights and gained alot of things but i dont think you can seriously say "that blacks are getting everything nowdays" theres reassons they get things like funds.
 
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post Aug 1 2005, 11:15 PM
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QUOTE(PiGo @ Aug 1 2005, 11:05 PM)
I think you misunderstood what I was saying...Actually a Jewish history month or something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea, but that wasn't what I was getting at.  I was kind of saying that we have one (no the reason I think we should have one) is because it's commemorating what American people and government has done to Blacks in America...
Sorry if that didn't make sense, but I find it hard to express my ideas using a computer...but I wasn't trying to say what you thought I was.
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so where's japanese history month?

the US government put japanese people in concentration camps.

anyone on the west coast who looked japanese was shunned as a spy and sometimes lynched.

but i suppose they don't matter.

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Come on, didn't we go through this earlier: there are months celebrating the history of other minorities. I mentioned it in one of the posts I made previously in this topic but I don't feel like finding it.
 
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Aug 1 2005, 11:15 PM)
so where's japanese history month?

the US government put japanese people in concentration camps.

anyone on the west coast who looked japanese was shunned as a spy and sometimes lynched.

but i suppose they don't matter.

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Just because I don't post every single group of people that have gone through a hardship in this country doesn't mean I'm saying they don't deserve commemmeration...
 
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post Aug 1 2005, 11:22 PM
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and what about native americans?

we stole thier land. a whole country worth of it.

native american history month?

saying black history month is ok is like saying a murderer can pay 1 million dollars to the family of the person they killed and that equalizes everything.

actually... it's more like saying that the son of a murderer, nay; grandson of a murderer can pay 1 million dollars to the grandson of the victim and that equalizes everything.


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