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Medical Marijuana, good idea or bad?
SillyCourtney
post Jul 12 2005, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Jul 12 2005, 11:43 AM)
Not medical

MEDICINAL.

MEDICINAL MARIJUANA
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Well SORRY for my mistake. I believe you still got the point, which was the purpose after all, correct?
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 11:49 AM
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well it should be because people might fake sickness to get hard. So medical marijuana for me is out of the question
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE(jam4eva @ Jul 12 2005, 11:49 AM)
well it should be because people might fake sickness to get hard. So medical marijuana for me is out of the question
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I agree with that on some level, but I think some, or even most, of the purposes medicinal marijuana is used for might be quite hard to fake. You'd more than likely actually have to have a serious problem to even be prescribed medicinal marijuana.
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 12:23 PM
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alternates to medicinal marijuana... like... Morphine? OxyContin?

i say, get it in a pill or injection and that's the way to go. there are too many dangers of actually smoking it.

which reminds me... i was watching cops

and this guy was like... i haven't been smoking pot. and the policeman was like... you know what maeks me not believe you? and he reaches behind the mans ear and pull out the joint that was there.
 
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post Jul 12 2005, 03:24 PM
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I seriously can't believe I'm about to say this but sadolakced acid's right.
 
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post Jul 13 2005, 12:56 AM
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sadolakced acid Posted Jul 12 2005, 1:23 PM
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alternates to medicinal marijuana... like... Morphine? OxyContin?


Morphine (INN), the principal active agent in opium, is a powerful opioid analgesic drug. According to recent research, it may also be produced naturally by the human brain.[1] Like other opiates, morphine acts directly on the central nervous system (CNS) to relieve pain, and at synapses of the arcuate nucleus, in particular. Side effects include impairment of mental performance, euphoria, drowsiness, lethargy, and blurred vision. It also decreases hunger, inhibits the cough reflex, and produces constipation. Morphine is usually highly addictive, and tolerance and physical and psychological dependence develop quickly. Patients on morphine often report insomnia and nightmares.

-from Wikipedia

OxyContin® is the brand name for the time-release formula of oxycodone, a narcotic analgesic for moderate to severe pain. It is used to treat terminally ill cancer patients and chronic pain sufferers as well as relieving postpartum, postoperative and dental pain. OxyContin® comes in liquid and tablet forms taken every 6 hours. Long-acting tablets are available to take every 12 hours. Oxycodone is an opium derivative and is the active ingredient in Percodan® and Percocet®. Oxycodone binds to the pain receptors in the brain so that the sensation of pain is reduced. Since oxycodone can be habit forming, care must be taken to follow the doctor's instructions when taking OxyContin®. Do not take a larger dose, or take it more frequently, or take it for longer than the doctor has prescribed. Since its FDA approval in 1995, the illegal use of OxyContin® as increased significantly, and the recent OxyContin-related deaths have attracted media attention, thereby illuminating the problem.

-from Waismann Method

Isn't marijuana too addictive to be used as a medicine?
"Some controlled substances that are approved medications produce dependence after long-term use; this, however, is a normal part of patient management and does not generally present undue risk to the patient." [p. 98]

"Animal research has shown that the potential for cannabinoid dependence exists, and cannabinoid withdrawal symptoms can be observed. However, both appear to be mild compared to dependence and withdrawal seen with other drugs." [p. 35]

"A distinctive marijuana and THC withdrawal syndrome has been identified, but it is mild and subtle compared with the profound physical syndrome of alcohol or heroin withdrawal." [Pp. 89, 90]

[p. 95]
Drug Category Proportion Of Users That Ever Became Dependent (%)
Alcohol 15
Marijuana (including hashish) 9



"Compared to most other drugs ... dependence among marijuana users is relatively rare." [p. 94]

"Few marijuana users become dependent. ... Dependence appears to be less severe among people who use only marijuana than among those who abuse cocaine or those who abuse marijuana with other drugs (including alcohol)." [Pp. 96, 97]

"In summary, although few marijuana users develop dependence, some do. But they appear to be less likely to do so than users of other drugs (including alcohol and nicotine), and marijuana dependence appears to be less severe than dependence on other drugs." [p. 98]

-from The National Academy of Sciences


Given the stated addictive nature of each of these drugs, how are they an alternative to Marijuana?


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and this guy was like... i haven't been smoking pot. and the policeman was like... you know what maeks me not believe you? and he reaches behind the mans ear and pull out the joint that was there.


Your post obviously does not reflect the actions of a person using medical/medicinal marijuana as I suggested at the start of the thread. Montel Williams suffers from MS and uses medical marijuana. His actions are nothing like the reality tv example you quoted.
 
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post Jul 13 2005, 02:27 AM
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QUOTE(illumineering @ Jul 13 2005, 12:56 AM)
sadolakced acid Posted Jul 12 2005, 1:23 PM

Morphine (INN), the principal active agent in opium, is a powerful opioid analgesic drug. According to recent research, it may also be produced naturally by the human brain.[1] Like other opiates, morphine acts directly on the central nervous system (CNS) to relieve pain, and at synapses of the arcuate nucleus, in particular. Side effects include impairment of mental performance, euphoria, drowsiness, lethargy, and blurred vision. It also decreases hunger, inhibits the cough reflex, and produces constipation. Morphine is usually highly addictive, and tolerance and physical and psychological dependence develop quickly. Patients on morphine often report insomnia and nightmares.

-from Wikipedia

OxyContin® is the brand name for the time-release formula of oxycodone, a narcotic analgesic for moderate to severe pain. It is used to treat terminally ill cancer patients and chronic pain sufferers as well as relieving postpartum, postoperative and dental pain. OxyContin® comes in liquid and tablet forms taken every 6 hours. Long-acting tablets are available to take every 12 hours. Oxycodone is an opium derivative and is the active ingredient in Percodan® and Percocet®. Oxycodone binds to the pain receptors in the brain so that the sensation of pain is reduced. Since oxycodone can be habit forming, care must be taken to follow the doctor's instructions when taking OxyContin®. Do not take a larger dose, or take it more frequently, or take it for longer than the doctor has prescribed. Since its FDA approval in 1995, the illegal use of OxyContin® as increased significantly, and the recent OxyContin-related deaths have attracted media attention, thereby illuminating the problem.

-from Waismann Method

Isn't marijuana too addictive to be used as a medicine?
"Some controlled substances that are approved medications produce dependence after long-term use; this, however, is a normal part of patient management and does not generally present undue risk to the patient." [p. 98]

"Animal research has shown that the potential for cannabinoid dependence exists, and cannabinoid withdrawal symptoms can be observed. However, both appear to be mild compared to dependence and withdrawal seen with other drugs." [p. 35]

"A distinctive marijuana and THC withdrawal syndrome has been identified, but it is mild and subtle compared with the profound physical syndrome of alcohol or heroin withdrawal." [Pp. 89, 90]

[p. 95]
Drug Category Proportion Of Users That Ever Became Dependent (%)
Alcohol 15
Marijuana (including hashish) 9
"Compared to most other drugs ... dependence among marijuana users is relatively rare." [p. 94]

"Few marijuana users become dependent. ... Dependence appears to be less severe among people who use only marijuana than among those who abuse cocaine or those who abuse marijuana with other drugs (including alcohol)." [Pp. 96, 97]

"In summary, although few marijuana users develop dependence, some do. But they appear to be less likely to do so than users of other drugs (including alcohol and nicotine), and marijuana dependence appears to be less severe than dependence on other drugs." [p. 98]

-from The National Academy of Sciences
Given the stated addictive nature of each of these drugs, how are they an alternative to Marijuana?
Your post obviously does not reflect the actions of a person using medical/medicinal marijuana as I suggested at the start of the thread.  Montel Williams suffers from MS and uses medical marijuana.  His actions are nothing like the reality tv example you quoted.
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exactly my point... i guess i didn't make it clear enough.

and the thing about cops was an aside... not really about the debate.
 
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post Jul 13 2005, 10:53 AM
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He was being sarcastic about the Morphine and OxyCotin
 
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post Jul 13 2005, 11:20 AM
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I'm sure if you gave a pothead a morphine patch to put on his lower back, he'd forget about smoking a blunt.
 
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post Jul 13 2005, 02:41 PM
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QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Jul 13 2005, 11:20 AM)
I'm sure if you gave a pothead a morphine patch to put on his lower back, he'd forget about smoking a blunt.
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..But what if you kept on giving him morphine patches to make him forget about his pot addiction and you started him on a morphine addiction? It would only make it worse; now instead of one addiction he has two. Either way you go, it's a neverending cycle of "somebody's going to end up screwed."
 
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QUOTE(jam4eva @ Jul 12 2005, 11:49 AM)
well it should be because people might fake sickness to get hard. So medical marijuana for me is out of the question
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umm, how can you fake cancer or glocauma?
Yes I think it should be legal under doctor perscription, it's not as dangerous as other drugs out there. The alternatives like painkillers or morphine (which is VERY dangerous by the way) are addictave, and marijuana just isn't.
 
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post Jul 13 2005, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE(sprinkle-the-stars @ Jul 13 2005, 11:53 AM)
He was being sarcastic about the Morphine and OxyCotin
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Thanks...I think my marbles were kinda dull...I didn't see that!
 
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post Jul 13 2005, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE(reolistic @ Jul 12 2005, 9:44 AM)
Look the goverment is going to pass weed as a legal drug because of tobbacco Tobbacoo kills people everyday millions. Tobbacco gives you all kinds of cancer, plus its addictive that should be considered as a narcotic. Marijuana doesn't get you hooked like crack or heroine. Weed is easier to quit and it has to take you a long period of time to "actually" get hooked.

Trust me I know bout this things....
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My opinion is the Marijuana should be legalized. At least for the people who need it for medical purposes. Like Reolistic said Cigarettes and such you actually become addicted to and need it it's not like that with Marijuana I know people who smoke it just to relax but could stop doing it at the drop of a hat. Just my opinion though! _smile.gif
 
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post Jul 26 2005, 11:06 PM
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I think marijuana should be legalized for everone and taxed by the government. That way everyone wins. The government gets more money and the people get their marijuana. Marijuana is less addictive than nicotine and if people want to smoke marijuana then let them do it legally because you can't stop them.
 
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post Jul 27 2005, 02:19 AM
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QUOTE([Scr3amin)
[Horror],Jul 9 2005, 6:02 PM]Medical or Non-Medical
Marijuana is bad for you.
Its drugs. People who smoke illegal Marijuana shouldnt be doing it.
They also so ban medical marijuana

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Aspirin is a drug, Pepto Bismol is a drug, Cough medicine is a drug. Like ALL drugs, marijuana has side effects. The "bad" things that marijuana does to you are side effects. There's always chances when taking drugs. I see no reason for medicinal marijuana to be illegal. What's it trying to prove? How is it helping anything? People are taking medicinal marijuana knowing the all of the effects that it will have on their bodies. So they are fully aware what they are getting into and are willingly taking the medicinal marijuana. So the government isn't exactly protecting anything are they? huh.gif
 
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The Supreme Court didn't rule medical marijuana illegal; they ruled that the Federal government has the right to pass laws against medical marijuana. There's a very important difference. It's Congress's fault every bit as much as the Supreme Court.

Basically, the argument is that growing pot in your backyard constitutes 'Interstate Commerce'. We call this kind of reading of the Constitution 'loose construction'. The Federal Government uses it to usurp the power of the States. It's a terrible, terrible idea.

However, this decision was overshadowed by the Kelo decision, which in my opinion, was a much worse one. Although both are fundamentally the result of a far-too-liberal interpretation of the Constitution.
 
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 27 2005, 7:41 AM)
The Supreme Court didn't rule medical marijuana illegal; they ruled that the Federal government has the right to pass laws against medical marijuana. There's a very important difference. It's Congress's fault every bit as much as the Supreme Court.

Basically, the argument is that growing pot in your backyard constitutes 'Interstate Commerce'. We call this kind of reading of the Constitution 'loose construction'. The Federal Government uses it to usurp the power of the States. It's a terrible, terrible idea.

However, this decision was overshadowed by the Kelo decision, which in my opinion, was a much worse one. Although both are fundamentally the result of a far-too-liberal interpretation of the Constitution.
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 27 2005, 8:41 AM)
However, this decision was overshadowed by the Kelo decision, which in my opinion, was a much worse one. Although both are fundamentally the result of a far-too-liberal interpretation of the Constitution.
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Fill me in on this if you would, please. I'm not familiar with the Kelo decision.
 
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Fill me in on this if you would, please.  I'm not familiar with the Kelo decision.
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The eminent domain case. Kelo v. City of New London.

http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/04-108.ZS.html
 
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I think medical marijuana is perfectly fine (what you put in your body is your business, as long as it doesn't make you hurt anyone else), but another important issue we have to consider is states rights. It's not Interstate Commerce for someone to grow something in their backyard. It's wrong for the Federal Government to override state laws for something that does not transcend state boundaries.
 
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QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 28 2005, 12:21 PM)
It's not Interstate Commerce for someone to grow something in their backyard. It's wrong for the Federal Government to override state laws for something that does not transcend state boundaries.
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Although I personally agree, I'm still unable to understand what the precedent was that established this ruling. It's illogical in my mind...although I don't discredit the possibility of my personal bias preventing me from identifying the logic of it.
 
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actually i have heard it useful if its prescribed in a medicine. but anyway...smoking marijuana is illegal...yet ppl break the law anyway. i dont know whats wrong with this law system pinch.gif
 
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QUOTE(illumineering @ Jul 28 2005, 2:03 PM)
Although I personally agree, I'm still unable to understand what the precedent was that established this ruling.  It's illogical in my mind...although I don't discredit the possibility of my personal bias preventing me from identifying the logic of it.
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Basically, the government's argument was that if these people didn't grow in their own backyards, they'd have to buy from somewhere else... and that somewhere might mean other states. Thus, it affects interstate commerce because it indirectly lowers the interstate demand for the trade.

It's a really convoluted version of opportunity cost, basically.
 
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i support medical marijuana. i think a cancer patient, whose in a lot of pain, should be able to....muffle that pain for at least a little while.
 
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Marijuana is never a good thing, if its used for medical or not.
 

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