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 Jul 19 2005, 08:36 PM
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 unify and defeat... divide and crumble  Group: Member Posts: 2,759 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 6,379  |
Reality is really what you just percieve. My boyfriend just did a project on a philosopher, who belived, in short, that if a tree fell in a forest, and there was no one to hear it, it didn't make a sound. In addition to this, however, he basically believed that everything was in the presence of God, so there was a sound because God heard it. If that is true, then everyone lives in the same reality, so everyone percieves the same reality. In which case, reality is God's reality. But I guess you have to believe in god to accept that argument....
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Jul 20 2005, 09:09 PM
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 Senior Member Group: Posts: 8,274 Joined: Mar 2004 Member No: 8,001 |
Nope. not really. there are people who doesnt even believe in religon. They use "scientific" rather than religon.
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Jul 26 2005, 12:14 AM
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 Bardic Nation Group: Member Posts: 1,113 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 38,059 |
Reality is based upon perception. Meaning you make your own reality. Explain how real it is when you take a bad trip on acid. God's reality surrounds our realities. Reality is a fabric with many layers that sometimes interweave. Life is the ongoing reality of which the layers continue to grow. Death is the end of the growth of the fabric and becomes the dye in which to change the color of other fabrics. When the process of all life is complete and everyone has spilled their dye a new fabric will begin. There is no connection with the old and new fabric. The old fabric would be done away with. The only question in my mind would be the wait after one's dye is spilled until the transition is complete to the new fabric. I guess the glass which contained the dye would be stacked in the place in which they would spend eternity, until the next expanse of fabric would begin.
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Jul 26 2005, 02:06 AM
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 I love Havasupai Group: Member Posts: 1,040 Joined: Jul 2005 Member No: 163,878 |
QUOTE(sikdragon @ Jul 26 2005, 1:14 AM) Reality is based upon perception. Meaning you make your own reality. Explain how real it is when you take a bad trip on acid. God's reality surrounds our realities. Reality is a fabric with many layers that sometimes interweave. Life is the ongoing reality of which the layers continue to grow. Death is the end of the growth of the fabric and becomes the dye in which to change the color of other fabrics. When the process of all life is complete and everyone has spilled their dye a new fabric will begin. There is no connection with the old and new fabric. The old fabric would be done away with. The only question in my mind would be the wait after one's dye is spilled until the transition is complete to the new fabric. I guess the glass which contained the dye would be stacked in the place in which they would spend eternity, until the next expanse of fabric would begin.   Was your perception of reality ever "made" through he ingestion of acid? This sounds like something Jerry Garcia used to say when he was designing ties while in rehab. Maybe a tie-dyed shop in Haight-Ashbury would be a good place to wait for eternity. You would make a lot of money.I would like you to clarify something that's a little muddied... If there is no connection between the old and new fabric, why should anyone care about the old fabric from 2000 years ago? So some guy carries a big ass cross to a hill and gets beat down for a couple of days...who cares? According to your statement, there is no connection. Oh yeah...that book with all those old stories isn't worth much either. Once I spill my dye, all I have to wait for the transition. Whew, what a relief.
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Jul 26 2005, 12:22 PM
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 It eats you, starting with your bottom. Group: Member Posts: 1,999 Joined: Jun 2005 Member No: 160,674 |
QUOTE(sikdragon @ Jul 25 2005, 11:14 PM) Reality is based upon perception. Meaning you make your own reality. Explain how real it is when you take a bad trip on acid. God's reality surrounds our realities. Reality is a fabric with many layers that sometimes interweave. Life is the ongoing reality of which the layers continue to grow. Death is the end of the growth of the fabric and becomes the dye in which to change the color of other fabrics. When the process of all life is complete and everyone has spilled their dye a new fabric will begin. There is no connection with the old and new fabric. The old fabric would be done away with. The only question in my mind would be the wait after one's dye is spilled until the transition is complete to the new fabric. I guess the glass which contained the dye would be stacked in the place in which they would spend eternity, until the next expanse of fabric would begin. Maybe im not undersatnding this but if "Reality is a fabric with many layers that sometimes interweave" and "There is no connection with the old and new fabric" how does what you just said make any sense? |
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Jul 26 2005, 01:17 PM
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Bardic Nation Group: Member Posts: 1,113 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 38,059 |
QUOTE(illumineering @ Jul 26 2005, 2:06 AM) Was your perception of reality ever "made" through he ingestion of acid? This sounds like something Jerry Garcia used to say when he was designing ties while in rehab. Maybe a tie-dyed shop in Haight-Ashbury would be a good place to wait for eternity. You would make a lot of money.I would like you to clarify something that's a little muddied... If there is no connection between the old and new fabric, why should anyone care about the old fabric from 2000 years ago? So some guy carries a big ass cross to a hill and gets beat down for a couple of days...who cares? According to your statement, there is no connection. Oh yeah...that book with all those old stories isn't worth much either. Once I spill my dye, all I have to wait for the transition. Whew, what a relief. We're still in the old fabric. |
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Jul 26 2005, 07:56 PM
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 Dark Lord of McCandless Group: Member Posts: 2,226 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,761 |
There's really two kinds of reality: the Objective Reality, which is independent of you and me, and our Subjective Reality, which is a mix of perception and reason. Each subjective reality is just a part of the total objective reality.
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Jul 27 2005, 11:39 AM
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Bardic Nation Group: Member Posts: 1,113 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 38,059 |
Our realities are part of God's reality. Just like he said. ^
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Jul 28 2005, 08:36 PM
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It eats you, starting with your bottom. Group: Member Posts: 1,999 Joined: Jun 2005 Member No: 160,674 |
QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 26 2005, 6:56 PM) There's really two kinds of reality: the Objective Reality, which is independent of you and me, and our Subjective Reality, which is a mix of perception and reason. Each subjective reality is just a part of the total objective reality. QUOTE(sikdragon @ Jul 27 2005, 10:39 AM) Our realities are part of God's reality. Just like he said. ^ I sorry but what? I don't how what ComradeRed said implys that we are a part of "God's reality". If there is something I'm missing please explain it to me. |
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Oct 23 2005, 01:37 PM
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I have no idea what solipsism is, so ill just say what i think and if it fits in with it, good for me lol In order for something to be real, it must be agreed upon by more than one person, otherwise its just a hallucination. But science has proved that because every mind is different, they read things differently and the senses process them differently, everyones view is somewhat different. That being said, no two persons have the same view of ANYTHING. How can anything be real if it cant be agreed on? Then again, what if we arent the ones that can say how something is supposed to seem? What if there is something wrong with us and the way it is originally is not what we see? Then our "reality" is distorted, and we become the hallucination. I believe that the way I see things is how it should be, and other peoples views are somehow fogged, the only thing thats real is how i feel and how i perceive the world around me, ergo im the only one thats real, and everybody and everything is a figment of my imagination. If they are in my imagintion, i can control them, making me in charge, and thats a much more comforting thought than believing i cant do anything about the way things are.
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Oct 27 2005, 03:07 AM
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Bardic Nation Group: Member Posts: 1,113 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 38,059 |
QUOTE([pshaa) shauna,Jul 28 2005, 8:36 PM]I sorry but what? I don't how what ComradeRed said implys that we are a part of "God's reality". If there is something I'm missing please explain it to me. God is the independant reality, we're the dependant reality. QUOTE I would like you to clarify something that's a little muddied... If there is no connection between the old and new fabric, why should anyone care about the old fabric from 2000 years ago? So some guy carries a big ass cross to a hill and gets beat down for a couple of days...who cares? According to your statement, there is no connection. Oh yeah...that book with all those old stories isn't worth much either. Once I spill my dye, all I have to wait for the transition. Whew, what a relief. That is not the old fabric, that is the current fabric. If you understood the significance of the cross, you would realize that his actions are still consequential in the reality of today in the fact that the realization of the connection between your metaphorical cross and his literal cross can and will affect your reality(meeting a supernatural being) and connect you to the new fabric in a continued existence, after death. The old embodiment of reality will be cast into a lake of fire. All of existence except those connected to the new fabric will be lost. |
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Oct 29 2005, 09:22 AM
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 Drowning by numbers Group: Member Posts: 149 Joined: Aug 2005 Member No: 193,026 |
the reality in the metaphorical... heh, interesting.
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Oct 29 2005, 09:26 AM
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....... i guess soo but how do you know us humans are like the matrix... O.o
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Oct 29 2005, 12:18 PM
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 fell in love with a boy Group: Member Posts: 523 Joined: May 2004 Member No: 16,965 |
Are you talking about beliefs of the definition of?
To me reality is what lies beneath the media and even words of love from parents. Reality is what they really mean, the circumastances your in, regardless of the way people act around you. You can say you love someone, but if you have no heart, you can not feel that, only the will to please. |
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Oct 29 2005, 12:25 PM
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It eats you, starting with your bottom. Group: Member Posts: 1,999 Joined: Jun 2005 Member No: 160,674 |
QUOTE(sikdragon @ Oct 27 2005, 2:07 AM) God is the independant reality, we're the dependant reality. Ah I see. Now I get what you're saying. QUOTE(murderous_thoughts @ Oct 23 2005, 12:37 PM) I believe that the way I see things is how it should be, and other peoples views are somehow fogged, the only thing thats real is how i feel and how i perceive the world around me, ergo im the only one thats real. What you just said above is Solipsism. |
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Oct 29 2005, 04:57 PM
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 Don't worry guys, size doesn't matter...to lesbians Group: Member Posts: 2,444 Joined: Jan 2005 Member No: 85,066 |
To me reality means
getting job giving 30% of your yearly salary to Uncle Sam Paying more than $5000 worth of taxes every year The fact that not all presidents are smart God ain't here today (for me) Christmas means a gift from the dollar store earn your own crap hypocricy poverty dream for prosperity hate love but more hate loss of faith destruction of ancient beliefs loss of childish innocence unprotected sex drugs alchohol your role model actually being dangerously addicted to drugs athletes taking steriods sluts prostitutes and the opposite of fantasy |
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Nov 1 2005, 11:23 AM
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Bardic Nation Group: Member Posts: 1,113 Joined: Aug 2004 Member No: 38,059 |
thus is the fate of our old selves to be lost in self-destruction.
Life and reality are both the consequence of choice. "Mohammed said, 'submit'. Jesus said, 'decide'." QUOTE giving 30% of your yearly salary to Uncle Sam Paying more than $5000 worth of taxes every year freedom isn't free. |
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