Ok, first of all, this fourm isn't about Lord of the Rings.

Secondly, I don't think you understand what parallel means. Nobody said anything about LotR being directly related to Christianity. You're acting as if that's what people are saying. Parallel means that the stories go along with each other in the since that many of the conflicts, issues, and problems can be seen as similar in process. It doesn't mean anything about a character being the same as another or that LotR is influenced by Christianity.

not at all. it's not like im into witchcraft stuff whenever i read that. i just like it because it's like a fantasy aventure story. i've always wanted to read books that consider with magic spells. like wizard stuff. not witches stuff.

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ok.

so who's the christ figure?

not who's christ. who's the christ figure. as in, who parallels with christ.




what i'm not getting is why we're using the bible as a standard? the question's not "does the bible say harry potter's satanic".

the question is "is harry potter satanic"

and satanism is really really different from what the bible says.

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Because the Bible is about Christ, and you said it parallels perhaps?

Can you tell what me exactly what Satanism is then, since you obviously know? Everything that it entails, the exact beliefs..go ahead. Humor me.

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If you want to waste your time trying to cast a spell on me, by all means, go ahead...

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Well, I don't know what time zone you live in, but in mine it's kind of late, so I'll do that when I have a little more time. Cheers =).

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I was joking about the wimp thing.....

I think you don't know what you're dealing with... (yes, Minda, I called you a "what", not a "who").

I just read over the thread and there were a couple of funny mentions... that made me go



So if overcoming evil is a Christian thing according to the Bible, doesn't HP overcomes all sorts of evil. Doesn't this make HP Christian-like?


This is funny. I think you're the one who doesn't understand. You guys are saying that LoTR parallels stories in the Bible, Mr Acid is simply wanting to understand what the parallels are.


Voldemort = evil. Going against and destroying evil... HP is doing the same thing you say LoTR is doing that parallels stories in the Bible. And as someone mentioned before, Gandalf is a widzard. HP has widzards but so does LoTR. Both have to do with destroying evil and yet you all are saying that LoTR is more Christian than HP?


I see something 'extremely apparent' that you're not seeing. HP and the team hate/go against/destroy evil Vodemort. Evil is banished. There's a parellel. How is HP any less Christian? Because it has more widzards and witches than LoTR?

See... I'm very confused...

OH, by the way... no name calling please. That "small brain" bit was underhanded and immature. Come on.

Sweetie, I'm pretty sure my brain functions are above normal level. It's been tested, thanks.

Obviously, you are the one who is not grasping the concept. Satanists do not worship the devil. Satanism is about doing things for you own good, for your own benefit. Modern satanism has nothing to do with the devil. Perhaps you should converse with a satanist instead of just assuming you know their beliefs.

And I have read the Left Behind books. Me, being an atheist, and my neighbor, being eccentrically Christian had a deal and she read the first two Harry Potter books to see exactly what her mom had such a problem with and I read 6 of the Left Behind books. The entire idea of it is still ridiculous to me. So I don't know exactly what you're trying to get me to understand.

Also, Christianity is not the only good in the world. People who aren't Christian overcome evil every day.

Name-caller.

This thread is beaten....

My thoughts:

Harry Potter is just a character in a book. Nothing more, nothing less. He's meant to make you smile, cry, or just be amazed....Harry Potter is written by a mortal, JK Rowling, who openly admits that Harry is fictious and symbolizes nothing religious.

Christians throughout history have always had problems with anything "unfamiliar", "dark", "witchcraft", "devil worship", "savage"....Harry Potter is a wizard, he cast spells and deals with dark forces....ooh, he must be a witch, he must have a pact with the devil....so on, so on...

People who think that don't read the books, and if they do, they read them and then twist the stories into something perverse to fit their own means. They obviously don't see the overtones of rising above hard circumstances, hard work, friendship, teamwork, and teenage rebellion coupled with being an outcast in JK Rowling's work. If they did, they wouldn't be so quick to judge.

I'm an advocate of thinking for yourself. Start early and be educated. Narrow minds are wasted minds. This debate shows the extremes to which some minds can be narrowed.

FINE. (got your attention didn't i?)

Believe what you will. I will believe what i will. People are so narrow-minded, dont worry I am too, as you can tell, that it just makes it really hard.

I know that LoTR uses wizardry. Yes. But only one character is that. The whole movie technically is about Frodo destroying the ring. Gandalf is just the supporting old coot that they insist on having.

I know that HP uses wizardry. All the chracaters are these witches/wizards/whatever the heck they're called. The whole movie is about getting back by using wizardry. Kids are taking these book more seriously than they did for LoTR. On the news they were showing kids actually casting these "spells" while their parents just laughed at them. Sad.

Both movies have similar things which people insist on debating about. I am not saying that LoTR is Christian. I am not saying the same for HP as well, duh. I am not saying the LoTR is still being honored as being a Christian Family classic. (someone said that it was..not on here but i saw it somewhere.) I am simply saying that yes, Both movies have wizardry and that some think Harry Potter takes it too far. But whatever. Shoot me. Not caring.

in fact, I really dont know what i'm saying.

You're right--that is sad and pathetic. Kids should not be able to use their imaginations, and pretend to be wizards and witches and whatnot while they're young. No, kids need to face reality and face the real world. It is a jungle out there and kids should be prepared for it--they should not waste their time using their creativity and having fun while they are young.

How are we being narrow-minded exactly? What doesn't narrow-mindedness or open-mindedness has to do with this whole debate?



So because HP has more widzards than LoTR it's suddenly more un-Christian? And you don't think Gandalf is important. For your information, without that 'old coot' battles would have been lost and Frodo would not have the support, mental and physical, he needed to completely his journey. That 'old coot' is more necessary to the story than you think.


Not all characters are widzards/witches. The movie is not only about widzardry... If that's all you got out of reading/watching HP then you really need to learn how to analyze a book. There's a world of symbolism in HP (as is the case with all books and some movies). Harry's thunderbolt scar alone signifies a kind of triumph over evil because when Vodemort failed in killing Harry, good prevails. That's just ONE example.

If you think kids playing "spell casting" is sad, you must also think girls who want to be kissed by a prince or want to dress like a princess after watching a Disney movie pretty sad, too. Now there's a parallel for ya.


You're saying you're "not saying" all these things, but you implied and agreed to them well enough... Of course I have no proof since you deleted all your posts, but since I read the thread, I remember there was a reason why your posts stood out so much to me.

Anyway, it's not a big deal. This is a debate forum and you said your piece. We understand, just chill.

God. I just re-read that and now i realize how stupid I am.

Anyways. I'll further explain myself before I go watch my movie.

First paragraph-

Everyone's narrow-minded. They like to stick to what they know, and they aren't even trying to comprehend what others are saying. This may just be the impression that i'm getting through people's posts, which it probably is.

2nd-

I didn't mean that sense HP has more wizards/witches that it's suddenly more "un-Christian". That is probably what people thought, by that but really I didn't mean it like that.

There are always these old men who insist on being the person who is very wise. Frodo needed to grow up and face middle-Earth.

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Alright. Mr. Acid brought up this Christ figure dealo. From the paragram about the thunderbolt thing, that makes me feel as though HP (the boy) is acting as a Christ figure.



Awww. But that, girls kissing a Prince , is more likely to happen. Ha ha..i WISH!



Ever been in one of those crummy moods where you just dont care? I was earlier..and I took it out on this thread and my brother.

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I can't tell if you are being sarcastic...But they do need to face reality and stop worrying about a piece of fiction. I mean, i eve saw ADULTS doing that too. Wow. Talk about corrupt.

I don't think that Harry Potter is from Satan, it's a good book/movies series.

a well written book is one that you think is nonfiction.

(a well written nonfiction is one you think is fiction)

so, are all well written fiction books satanic?

Sorry I'm so late responding...I am reading this thread for the first time.

I am suggesting you get off the fence and clarify your personal beliefs. This link provides a definition of leprechauns

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leprechaun

This link is the url you use for for your xanga

http://xanga.com/luckyleperachaun

I think your internal conflict is clouding your ability to create a valid argument. Why do you choose to use luckyleprechaun when they clearly represent the antithesis of your christian perspective? I think you're right...ignorance is the most dangerous WMD.

I spent 2 years worshiping Mother Earth with the Havasupai, Hopi,
Cheyenne and Ute Indians. In the 1000+ rounds I spent in the sweat lodge, I can't recall praying with any retards. (Even the Christian participants.)

You might want to look at this link. Your avvie is a strong symbolic link to the origins of wicca.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_hist.htm

Here's a few familiar spirits from Catholicism.

http://www.catholic.org/saints

As for the HP books...a bit of well placed controversy is a sure-fire way to boost sales. Rowling's marketing team should rep William Hung. Talk about controversy!

Anyone notice how alike HP is to Lord of the Rings?

Frodo = Harry
Gandalf = Dumbledore
Sam = Ron
Merry and Pip = Hermione and Ginny
Saruman = Voldemort
Orcs = Death Eaters

..Just thought that was weird.

And sprinkle-the-stars, why did you delete all your posts?..

I was in a stupid mood where everything would set me off, make me mad, and or just not care and do something stupid.

Honestly. I'm still not getting why you are comparing the characters. The real thing is about the subject matter of the book, not technically who's in it.

Well. Yes the characters play apart, but seriously..isn't this thread pretty much about the subject matter of the books?

Well OK, there's more "Muggles" or, regular people in Harry Potter than there is in Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings has plenty of mystical creatures. I don't see how it's anymore "Christian" than Harry Potter. You've said it parallels plenty of times but you haven't explained how.

And don't use the overcoming evil thing again. For one, that happens in Harry Potter too, and two, that isn't just a Christian thing.