Err, what? I thought the topic was about the wrongness of the-n-word.

Never mind, I guess.

This post has been edited by uninspiredfae: Jul 12 2005, 11:44 PM

The money was because cotton production was the South's major export. It made them a lot of money. With the loss of slavery, cotton production would go down A LOT.

After Lincoln succeeded in his campaign for presidency, Southern states seceded from the Union because, if I recall correctly, they were alarmed at the Republican dominance over the House, Senate, and also presidency. While fear that southern states' rights as slaveholding minorities were threatened may also have been part of the cause for the southern secession, Lincoln entered the Civil War not to end slavery, but to preserve the Union, as I'd stated before.

Exactly. But you're sticking too much to the surface. Look deeper: why was the Union breaking up? Why did the southern states want to secede? I think that the underlying factors are what headphones is getting at.

I do believe that slavery is part of the cause of the American Civil War, but I was responding to Sammi's claim that it was the sole, main reason of the war.

I think we're getting sidetracked, but here are a few queries that were brought up in one of my past posts.

The Civil War was about MONEY. They did not view slaves as humans, they viewed them as tools to make money. If you think that the Civil War was solely over African American rights, you're wrong. Because it wasn't until nearly a century later before African Americans had the same priveleges as everyone else. This debate isn't about how the Civil War started though. It's about whether one should or should not use the n word. And my position still stands at not saying the word at all.

Sidetracked indeed.

Stop dropping the 'n' bomb.

I don't care what rapper you've heard use it in an endearing manner, I don't care what definition Wikipedia gives you and I don't care what you see everyday between african americans in your area.

Stop dropping the 'n' bomb.

It doesn't require a history lesson or a presented argument about the abolition of slavery, the Civil Rights movement or the trials and tribulations of other oppressed peoples.

Stop dropping the 'n' bomb.

Honestly, I don't get whats so hard about not saying it. How do you justify saying 'fcuk' to your mother? How do you justify saying 'bitch' to a child? Ok then, how do you justify perpetuating a racial slur, no matter how its used? Exactly.

Stop dropping the 'n' bomb.

Have I made my point?

Oh god! i'm sooo going to make a confession:

I HATE THE 'N' WORD. Have i used it? Absolutely. Here's the thread http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...ic=85138&st=375.

I've been dissed alot. Even at school, people call me "white", obviously i'm not white...well not fully. The word "nigger" is called "negre" in french. I've been forced to say "negre", and when i refused, i got insulted, laughed at...it's torturing. To the blacks at my school "negre" is like a rank/title, a high rank/title that makes you feel good or something, but to me it's degrading. It's insane and stupid.

My dad is a racist to blacks (he's f**king black ). One time he called a cab and saw that the driver was black...he said "je ne veux pas un negre" meaning "i don't want a nigger"...the driver gave him a blow on his left cheek and said "that was for calling me a nigger"...he deserved it.

I've used the "n" word when talking to yula. Only on few occasions. I felt guilty afterwards (i hope yula doesn't see this). I hate that word. Just call them/us africans or blacks...
Tell you the truth, i've only used the "n" word online, never in real life...it's just something i'll never do...

The "n" word is a racial slur...deny it if you want to but it is. Nigger, nigga, neegaa, niiigaa, niega, it's the same f**king thing...just spelled differently...

Like wayne I use the word nigger alot because it's a habit. If someone dosen't want me to say it and I respect them I won't say it around them but I always say nigger in every 3 sentances. But I'm black and I will always say nigger, or "Nigga."

What I really hate about it is that black people freak out when a white person, asian or latino/a person says it. Honestly in my eye, it isn't such a big deal if we can say it then why can't they?

The way people talk is basically generalized on what people see,hear, or hang around with. Like I know white people who hang around blacks end up saying "nigga", or they see that "dope" 50 cent commercial and start saying nigga.
To brandon- Glad you brought this up dude, good job.

...I just always learned that it was wrong for people to use the "N" word. Actually, I didn't know it was a word until about the sixth grade.

And of course Tupac didn't advertise the word much.

its only ok when black people call it to each other because they don't wuiet mean it in the same way.. just like if a gangsta( lol) calls one of his fellow ganstas a gansta( lol) then its ok because there just buddies but if like some cop or w/e calls em a gansta they flip out because they think of it as an insult( for some reason).

haha sorry if that didnt make sense to you.. it made sense in my head before i typed it lol

Feel free to reread the thread and my responses to everyone else. If you did that and this is still your rebuttal, then you're a dumbass.

honestly it's become one of those vulgar uneducated words. When speaking you must first take into consideration your audience. If you're speaking to educated people or just want to be polite there is a whole list of words you don't say. That is called formality. When you're hanging out with your friends and just talking the list is shortened to the limitations of your friends. Everything is case by case. You can't just put a big label on everything. That's what i've learned after reading this thread. There are different cultures even within the same city. That just begs the quotation. "When in Rome do as the Romans do." That doesn't mean that we should all become racists when in the company of one. It means that to fit in you'll have to make some compromises as to make friends and be accepted. Everyone has their own sets of morals and im not saying we should stray from them. It's just something we have to take into consideration when we socialize with our fellow human beings.

Personally i agree with Tupac. Nigga and nigger are different. Nigga means homie, nigger refers to a black man about to get hanged. Just because I know the difference doesn't mean i use the word outside of the group of friends that accepts and expects it. Nigga is a term that is a sign of respect and honor among certain people. There are those who i know who utterly despise the word. The thing is that i have to know the audience before i go and start spouting things.

For the first time, I agree with you. It's always better not to say the word at all, but if it's acceptable if the meaning of the word means 'friend' or something of that sort and you keep it only to the party that is comfortable with the word. I don't think people should use it too loosely though, because if it were used at the wrong time, it could really stir up some controversy. Don't use it so much that it becomes a habit. There's no way to completely eliminate the word and its original meaning, but people can say them with the consent of others and with caution if anywhere else.

I don't use the word, but if I did, I also don't see why it's anyone else's business what words I use in my social circle.

Different words have different acceptability in different circles. Just accept that. Live and let live is the basis of our free country.

nigga and nigger is not the same thing. nigger is the term that the white ppl used to blacks to be offending. yes you are right black people do say "nigga" to each other, i personally do not like it. to be honest i really do not know why we use it towards each other. but why does a white person need to say "nigga"? if they said it, it would be weird. we would get offended by it. but even if your not saying it to be mean or hateful, we could take it as being offensive.

i personally hate it when black people call each other "nigga". its unnecessary and stupid. the way i see it white folks dont need to stoop to that level either. a white person calling eachother nigga is like black people calling eachother "spicks" or "chinks". and i dont necessarily see the why some white people would want to say it. I dont say it, and im black

man i dont care who i am. ill say any of those. i use it in comedic ways tho. not racist. im sure ya all seen that Chapelle Show "The Nigger Family" episode. that was the best..

ohh and i love the season 1 episode w/ the KKK and stuff.. lol.

i also hate ignorant ppl..

i dont say it even tho these days i could becuase im black >.<
but i just dont like the word. ive never been called that[ to my face anyway] but its relaly not supposed to be a name we call ppl whenever.